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I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01

Here it is, the source of my power

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Nah the belly isn't your source of true power bro. You look great but you can say goodbye to that belly, look like a Norse God and keep your Samson strength.
 
If you don't like running, why not play a sport like basketball? You'll get a far better cardio workout playing basketball and you'll also put your body through more intensity than jogging.
I have bad knees. I can't remember what the actual problem is called exactly, but it's something like osgood schlatters disease or something. I have to wrap my knees like a mofo before any heavy lifts

Edit: wait no, it wasn't osgood, that was a separate issue. It's the one where I grew too fast for healthy tendon/ligament development. I have SEVERE crepitus in both knees as a result, I get frequent pain, and my knees will sometimes "roll out of place" as I'm walking. It's a fucking nightmare.

I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01



Nah the belly isn't your source of true power bro. You look great but you can say goodbye to that belly, look like a Norse God and keep your Samson strength.
Damn. Nice lifts. I think a small part of me knows that it's getting out of hand, but when you've been able to cheat on your diet constantly without much consequence, it's hard to change that. I have to think about longevity though.

Also, my friends have been commenting on my weight gain, and we all joke that it's not fat but a "muscle gut" from my recent powerlifting style training. That's what inspired this thread.
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01



Nah the belly isn't your source of true power bro. You look great but you can say goodbye to that belly, look like a Norse God and keep your Samson strength.

im about 10 lbs lighter but about 50 lbs weaker in every category. fuckin hell dude, that is seriously impressive.
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01



Nah the belly isn't your source of true power bro. You look great but you can say goodbye to that belly, look like a Norse God and keep your Samson strength.

Come back to fit GAF for an appearance, will you Bruce?
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295

Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01
I assume this is one lift with shitty form, otherwise I call that one bullshit.
 
lmao, why is that so hard to believe?
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....

.......... What are you basing that on? Here's a guy who weighs 155 lbs and benches that much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84vmuuuHRg

and his form is spectacular!
Genetic freak (possible, but rare) or steroids (not so rare in BB). I've known a skinny guy in my gym who pulled 100 lbp dumbells like it's nothing. I was very impressed back then but (as always) it turned out he was on dat dere.
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01



Nah the belly isn't your source of true power bro. You look great but you can say goodbye to that belly, look like a Norse God and keep your Samson strength.

Dang Bruce, impressive.
 
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....


Genetic freak (possible, but rare) or steroids (not so rare in BB). I've known a skinny guy in my gym who pulled 100 lbp dumbells like it's nothing. I was very impressed back then but (as always) it turned out he was on dat dere.

lol, Bruce isn't on gear. He's documented his lifts in FitGAF for years, and - while SUPER IMPRESSIVE - he got there through repetition and progression over a long period of time.
 
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....

His lift works out to a 1.6x body weight bench press. Are you saying this is an impossible feat, nobody should ever be able to naturally bench 1.6x their own body weight? I'm currently at a 1.5x bodyweight bench (320 at 210), guess I reached the limits of what is naturally possible :/
 
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....

Uhh I weighed around 185-190 and I was benching 315. Not sure why you think those numbers are crazy. Mind you I was almost all uppermost strength and little to no leg strength. Something I have worked on the last couple of years.
 
His lift works out to a 1.6x body weight bench press. Are you saying this is an impossible feat, nobody should ever be able to naturally bench 1.6x their own body weight? I'm currently at a 1.5x bodyweight bench (320 at 210), guess I reached the limits of what is naturally possible :/
I'm generally cautious when people claim to lift this kind of weight. I've seen huge dudes in my gym who in fact were on roids doing that kind of weight.

And please note that I did also mention shitty form. Not every bench lift is a bench lift if you know what I'm saying.

Oh, and I have been doing this for 5 years now as well. So I've seen all kinds of people come an go. Nothing against Bruce but I just had my share of disappointment over the years. Almost everyone who pulled weight you'd never expect him to pull (which is why I marked the bodyweight/lift ratio) ended up not being clean. You know, where there is smoke....

But hey, there is nothing to be upset about. If he's not on gear, he can take it as compliment. I've been accused of gearing as well. It's just as satisfying as when someone claims you're cheating in a game and your not. So no hard feelings.
 
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....

If you don't go for hypertrophy often, focus on strength, and don't eat in large surplus it's not hard to get decent lifts for your size. Especially in the beginning because new lifters can gain strength pretty fast just from Neurological adaptation of developing a new skill. Coupled with a decent diet and and good program you will pull 405 well before you look like you can pull 405.
 
I assume this is one lift with shitty form, otherwise I call that one bullshit.

I'll take a vid if you want but thats legit. I don't go to my chest but I go parallel(Protect my shoulder). You actually can't have bad form when weight starts getting that heavy or at least I can't without risking an injury.

Ive seen guys lift even more that are around my size. Thats actually what convinced me it didn't matter what my weight was there are these two brothers that train at my gym that are these incredible swimmers. All their workouts revolve around swimming and they both rep 315 no problem around my weight.

Come back to fit GAF for an appearance, will you Bruce?

I need to come back. I miss you guys but I've been in a funk lately just have been going through the motions.

lol, Bruce isn't on gear. He's documented his lifts in FitGAF for years, and - while SUPER IMPRESSIVE - he got there through repetition and progression over a long period of time.

Thanks for the backup Bum. Yeah its unfortunately the boring recipe of lifting for a long long time.
 
.......... What are you basing that on? Here's a guy who weighs 155 lbs and benches that much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84vmuuuHRg

and his form is spectacular!

This guy is so inspiring.
I actually adopted his exact style for lifting on bench.
I hate feeling like my feet have to be perfect and that I need a bunch of variables to be aligned correctly in order to lift a lot of weight.

I hate that. Too much pressure and it lets you blame to many other factors when you don't lift a lot when in reality its all just mental.

So the last two years I have started all over with my lifting with bench, squat and DL's. No quick lifts but slow controlled form every rep every time. Just me and the rep.

Going slow and resting for just a split second on the bottom before engaging on the way up has made me not fear the heavier weight. Then every time I lift I know I can be confident with the weight. Its helped tremendously.
 
This guy is so inspiring.
I actually adopted his exact style for lifting on bench.
I hate feeling like my feet have to be perfect and that I need a bunch of variables to be aligned correctly in order to lift a lot of weight.

I hate that. Too much pressure and it lets you blame to many other factors when you don't lift a lot when in reality its all just mental.

So the last two years I have started all over with my lifting with bench, squat and DL's. No quick lifts but slow controlled form every rep every time. Just me and the rep.

Going slow and resting for just a split second on the bottom before engaging on the way up has made me not fear the heavier weight. Then every time I lift I know I can be confident with the weight. Its helped tremendously.


You want inspiring? Watch Clarence0 videos. Here's him doing 407 on the bench.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgnOiYi_r0

You want really inspiring? Go watch his deadlift, squat or clean and jerk videos. Just fucking incredible stuff.
 
Holy shit OP, you're hot.

Dude, don't change. Hot. Leave the gut, muscle or otherwise. Hot.
I'm a dude, don't beat me pls.

How did you start out in the beginning? Just went and started lifting?
 
Well, this thread made me want to exercise, so thank you I guess.

Also: yup, that's not a muscle gut. You look fine with it though.
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Agreed.I was at 215lbs earlier this year and I'm down to 195lbs right now and all my lifts have gone up:

Bench: 275 (my bench sucked till this year, quickly improving)
Squat: 395
DL: 450
Clean and Jerk: 265
OHP: 180
Pullups: 23
 
I'm generally cautious when people claim to lift this kind of weight. I've seen huge dudes in my gym who in fact were on roids doing that kind of weight.

And please note that I did also mention shitty form. Not every bench lift is a bench lift if you know what I'm saying.

Oh, and I have been doing this for 5 years now as well. So I've seen all kinds of people come an go. Nothing against Bruce but I just had my share of disappointment over the years. Almost everyone who pulled weight you'd never expect him to pull (which is why I marked the bodyweight/lift ratio) ended up not being clean. You know, where there is smoke....

But hey, there is nothing to be upset about. If he's not on gear, he can take it as compliment. I've been accused of gearing as well. It's just as satisfying as when someone claims you're cheating in a game and your not. So no hard feelings.

It just seemed like a weird accusation given that having between a 1 - 1.5x bodyweight bench is pretty normal for somebody who has been working out for several years. If Bruce had said he benched 2.5x more than he weighed, then even though still unwarranted, I could see how you could begin to question the legitimacy of the lift.
 
Incredible.
I'm telling you the rest/pause is key. It just makes you not afraid of the weight anymore.


He's deadlifts are the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life.

I just hit a new deadlift PR two days ago. 415 x 3 with no belt or straps I weigh 233 lbs. I'm not on Clarence's level but his videos made the difference for me lol. I was stuck at about 395 for a while.
 
Looks like you have forward head posture.

Yeah... I also have mild scoliosis. I know it sounds like I'm just making shit up at this point, but I really am littered with issues. It sucks but NO EXCUSE

I assume this is one lift with shitty form, otherwise I call that one bullshit.
Nah, I don't doubt Bruce for a second. I train with a guy that I've known my entire life, who I know is not on gear, and he can rep 305 on bench. He weighs 193 exactly last time we checked.

if thats a muscle gut, my ass is nothing but pure muscle butt then
Hahaha this one might be the best yet

My ass is pretty solid though. Squat booty

How did you start out in the beginning? Just went and started lifting?
I just started out doing basic movements that I learned from fellow gym goers and slowly expanded my knowledge and repertoire over time. I didnt really have a set plan, I just did stuff lol.

I require more pics of you OP because of reasons :p

But seriously how much do you weigh?

I too approve of these.... reasons.
I weigh 240

And if the "reasons" are scientific in nature, I will supply empirical evidence in the name of research!
 
Because you usually have to weigh a lot more than that to pull that kind of weight....

Yah no. Bruce is the real deal. And I know quite a few people who aren't on gear who can lift that much. It's really not THAT insane - though it's damn good.

Hell. My goal by next summer is to be at 190lbs lifting:

Bench: 300
Squat: 400
Deadlift: 500

Pretty sure I can do it. Those numbers aren't ungodly.
 
I'm starting to believe that the idea that you need a high level of calories and fat on your frame to lift heavy is simply not true. I'm at my thinnest right now and lowest bf% and I'm lifting more weight than ever before:

Weight: 185lbs

Bench: 295
Squat: 365
DL: 405
Pull Ups: 28
Push Ups: 92
1 mile: 5:20
40 Yard: 5'01

How long have you been lifting?
I've been your weight doing those weights, too.
But to get my squat into the 470 region and bench into the 360+ region, I had to put on some weight. It wasn't going to happen at 185.
 
Agreed.I was at 215lbs earlier this year and I'm down to 195lbs right now and all my lifts have gone up:

Bench: 275 (my bench sucked till this year, quickly improving)
Squat: 395
DL: 450
Clean and Jerk: 265

OHP: 180
Pullups: 23

Those are all incredible Octo but those 3 bolded are truly amazing. You being able to do that much weight on a Clean and Jerk is so awesome. I lack the overall coordination to do the CJ at a heavy weight.

How long have you been lifting?
I've been your weight doing those weights, too.
But to get my squat into the 470 region and bench into the 360+ region, I had to put on some weight. It wasn't going to happen at 185.

Seriously lifting probably 12 years.
I'm still going up in all the weights so far. 470 and 360 is just lightyears away from where I am now though so who knows.

He's deadlifts are the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life.

I just hit a new deadlift PR two days ago. 415 x 3 with no belt or straps I weigh 233 lbs. I'm not on Clarence's level but his videos made the difference for me lol. I was stuck at about 395 for a while.

Dang thats fantastic bro. No belt or straps? Good dang job.
 
You want inspiring? Watch Clarence0 videos. Here's him doing 407 on the bench.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgnOiYi_r0

You want really inspiring? Go watch his deadlift, squat or clean and jerk videos. Just fucking incredible stuff.
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Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.
 
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Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.

Thought that form was standard for powerlifters. Yeah it decreases ROM (range of motion) but the whole purpose of doing that is to also generate power from your lower half and push that shit up.

Also the best juice is actually being young ;_; I wish I knew at 18 what I know now
 
Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.

Your previous comments make sense now based off of this. An arch is safe and normal to use when benching, especially for powerlifters who have to only maintain their butt, shoulders, and sometimes head against the bench for a lift to count. His ability to have an extreme arch gives him an advantage because yes it does cut down the ROM. Nobody gets bonus points for using a flat back or flaring their elbows out all the way. I would bet plenty of money that you cannot bench 400 lbs even if you could hold the same arch he's holding.
 
Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.

I don't arch but I see nothing wrong with this. So long as his butt isn't leaving the ground, that's fine. This guy is a total beast.
 
Your previous comments make sense now based off of this. An arch is safe and normal to use when benching, especially for powerlifters who have to only maintain their butt, shoulders, and sometimes head against the bench for a lift to count. His ability to have an extreme arch gives him an advantage because yes it does cut down the ROM. Nobody gets bonus points for using a flat back or flaring their elbows out all the way. I would bet plenty of money that you cannot bench 400 lbs even if you could hold the same arch he's holding.
This question doesn't even come up. I'm not an idiot. No offense, but this kind of power lifting is for idiots with small egos only. The only thing to gain here is an injury.
 
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Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.

Well I posted the other video of the small asian guy with his back flat on the bench and you still had doubts about him being natty or whatever. So looks like there's no pleasing you.

Check out clarence0 form on his squats or deadlifts. If you can find something wrong with those then we have a problem :P
 
This question doesn't even come up. I'm not an idiot. No offense, but this kind of power lifting is for idiots with small egos only. The only thing to gain here is an injury.

The statements you make I see everyday from people who are ignorant to different lifting techniques and assume their way or the first way they saw is the correct and only way to do something. It's a plague on instagram, especially for female lifters who are more flexible so they tend to have larger arches, receiving advice from people who aren't educated in powerlifting and body mechanics.

Here's a video where a doctor goes over how arching in the bench press is safe, he starts speaking at around 2:40. You can watch it if you'd like to learn why there is nothing wrong with arching so you don't spew random broscience like it's bad for your back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRx1X7dQRI
 
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Alright, I see we have a different view on what is a proper form.

brb gonna lift my back so damn high that I only have to do 1/4 of the ROM and then "lift" 400 lbp as well

To "protect" my shoulder of course.

Keeping your scapula back and arching is proper form. Also looks like the ROM is pretty legit unless you consider how far the bar moves a true measure of strength.

If you following powerlifting or lifting in general you can see people hit huge numbers @ light body weight.
 
Well I posted the other video of the small asian guy with his back flat on the bench and you still had doubts about him being natty or whatever. So looks like there's no pleasing you.

Check out clarence0 form on his squats or deadlifts. If you can find something wrong with those then we have a problem :P

He can't do it so he believes others can't or that they're doing it improper. You will never please someone like that. Just let it go.

Also, OP I'd prefer to have a build like yours that some dude with breasts and built oddly. People keep bringing up women, but I know plenty of women that prefer big stout fucks.
 
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