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Opinion I have a theory about the existence of souls and ghosts.

Soodanim

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I am not claiming that every video posted there is real, some are clear fakes. But a lot feel genuine and can be seen as proof of the existence of ghosts.
That’s functionally useless though, that’s marginally better than saying “It’s on www.YouTube.com have fun finding the real ones.” If your evidence has any chance of convincing anyone you’re going to need to show it and why it’s any different from fictional entertainment.
 
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That’s functionally useless though, that’s marginally better than saying “It’s on www.YouTube.com have fun finding the real ones.” If your evidence has any chance of convincing anyone you’re going to need to show it and why it’s any different from fictional entertainment.
Ok I can understand. I will try to find the original source of the videos from his channel that I feel show real evidence of ghosts.
Here is the first one that I like:
Real ghost seen on camera
 

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Because there’s no evidence of anything paranormal. There’s evidence for the basis of all theoretical physics.

If a scientist were to claim to me that they had travelled through time, but failed to produce any evidence, I would ignore them. If a scientist claims the inflationary theory of the universe exists, using data showing how celestial bodies are moving away from one another constantly, based upon red shifting, I’m going to lend credence to their claims. I can see it for myself.

You can provide no demonstrable, first hand evidence of the paranormal that I am able to analyse and assess, whereas I am able to do that first hand with all scientific theory, should I choose to.
Although I agree with most of what you're posting, I do agree with S SUPERGGK that giving people the benefit of the doubt when they relate abnormal experiences is probably a good idea.

Obviously there are going to be some phenomena that are so rare and scarcely observed that we know very little about them; an example is ball lightning, or maybe the 'flashes of light' some people have reported seeing preceding an earthquake. Both phenomena are super rare and hard to observe scientifically so we should actually want people to come forward who have seen these things.

My grandmother on the maternal side actually had an encounter with what I think is ball lightning. She would sometimes relate the story of how she was sitting at her sowing machine in the evening (sometime in the 1930s-40s I assume, so I think those machines were part made of cast iron IIRC) when a 'ball of fire' flew into her room through the open window, bounced off her sowing machine and somehow (I don't remember the story very well, I could ask my mom) left the room she was in or dissipated. She never told any other tall tales of that ilk, so I am inclined to believe that she actually experienced that. I think it's sort of dismissive to go straight to debunking saying it was swamp gas or a psychotic break. You need to make some allowance for the possibility that there are phenomena out there that have yet to be discovered or properly described.

Other than that, even if the explanation is some kind of psychotic break or hallucination, then you still want people to come forward. The sooner psychosis is treated, the better the chance that someone will make a full recovery.

So not stigmatizing people is a thing to keep in mind
 

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This is even funnier if you just read the first bit and then skip to a random part near the end:

I am going to be very honest with you guys, for a long time I never believed in the existence of soul or ghosts because I knew that our consciousness is supported by billions of neurons in our brain; so how could a soul or consciousness survive without a body?

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Since I believe that Gods created nanomachines to collect souls from our Earth and transport them to heaven or hell, I think that maybe some of these earlier machines malfunctioned and instead of carrying the souls to heaven or hell, the soul got trapped at the place of their death
 

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For anyone still denying that there is no proof that ghosts exist, I have posted the link to a video above, that I consider a very good evidence of the paranormal. Feel free to take a look.
 

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I don’t believe in god because I have anything against the guy. I don’t believe in him because scientific understanding has shown me there’s no need for him to exist, beyond his use as a psychological crutch.
It seems like the exact opposite is happening to many people as scientific understanding is increasing, I.e. the recent popularity of simulation theory as a legitimate prospect.

Science still hasn’t answered the fundamental questions.
 
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In the future we would be able to live forever, it's not science fiction. I am just saying that maybe we are not the only species in the universe that has such advanced technology.
Even so, it will be the work of science and biology. Not paranormal fairy tales.
 

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It seems like the exact opposite is happening to many people as scientific understanding is increasing, I.e. the recent popularity of simulation theory as a legitimate prospect.

Science still hasn’t answered the fundamental questions.
I think we will find our Gods by using science, rather than religion.
 
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But there is no evidence for infinite dimensions or time travel, so isn't it dishonest and unfair to ignore and discard all photos, videos and testimonies related to ghosts.

Have you seen the devices ghost hunters use today. Emp recorders, laser grids, thermal and night vision cameras and much more. But even if they catch something who is gonna treat it as evidence. Nobody. They are ghost hunters. Shouldn't such research be done by scientists? Why is there no branch of science that tries to investigate it? It's baffling.

Is there a afterlife? The most important question related to mankind, yet no scientist wants to discover it. Strange isn't it?

Mate... come on.

There isn’t a serious scientist on earth claiming time travel is real (in the Hollywood sense. Relativity dictates that time moves at different speeds depending on the position of the observer. This is fact), or that parallel dimension exist - Because there‘s no actual proof of either. There are theories which suggest they could exist, based on scientific evidence, but no more than that.

Yes, of course it’s fair to disregard all ‘evidence’ that ghosts exist because they don’t... Because, as I mentioned before, they do not obey the laws of thermodynamics. Every scientist worth their salt working in physics, biology and chemistry knows they can’t and don’t exist, because of their understanding of the natural world. Why on earth would they investigate them? Might as well investigate pixies at the bottom of the garden!
 

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Although I agree with most of what you're posting, I do agree with S SUPERGGK that giving people the benefit of the doubt when they relate abnormal experiences is probably a good idea.

Obviously there are going to be some phenomena that are so rare and scarcely observed that we know very little about them; an example is ball lightning, or maybe the 'flashes of light' some people have reported seeing preceding an earthquake. Both phenomena are super rare and hard to observe scientifically so we should actually want people to come forward who have seen these things.

My grandmother on the maternal side actually had an encounter with what I think is ball lightning. She would sometimes relate the story of how she was sitting at her sowing machine in the evening (sometime in the 1930s-40s I assume, so I think those machines were part made of cast iron IIRC) when a 'ball of fire' flew into her room through the open window, bounced off her sowing machine and somehow (I don't remember the story very well, I could ask my mom) left the room she was in or dissipated. She never told any other tall tales of that ilk, so I am inclined to believe that she actually experienced that. I think it's sort of dismissive to go straight to debunking saying it was swamp gas or a psychotic break. You need to make some allowance for the possibility that there are phenomena out there that have yet to be discovered or properly described.

Other than that, even if the explanation is some kind of psychotic break or hallucination, then you still want people to come forward. The sooner psychosis is treated, the better the chance that someone will make a full recovery.

So not stigmatizing people is a thing to keep in mind

I wouldn’t put ball lightning in the same category and ghosts, to be honest. One could be a potential phenomenon caused by real world physics. The other is impossible - for reasons I’ve already mentioned.

I’m certainly not trying to stigmatise anyone. Everyone should be free to entertain whatever ideas they choose to. But the real world is inescapable, as are the rules that govern it. I’m just highlighting that.
 

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It seems like the exact opposite is happening to many people as scientific understanding is increasing, I.e. the recent popularity of simulation theory as a legitimate prospect.

Science still hasn’t answered the fundamental questions.

See, I know you won’t agree with this, but for a vast majority of those questions... it absolutely has. Certainly enough to remove any need for gods or creators, in my opinion - and the opinion of many, many others.

There‘s a few things outstanding, but they’ll get to them 😋
 

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See, I know you won’t agree with this, but for a vast majority of those questions... it absolutely has. Certainly enough to remove any need for gods or creators, in my opinion - and the opinion of many, many others.

There‘s a few things outstanding, but they’ll get to them 😋
The origin of the universe and life are two pretty outstanding questions. The big bang and abiogenesis fall into this category, atm:
Because there‘s no actual proof of either. There are theories which suggest they could exist, based on scientific evidence, but no more than that.
 

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I bet that guy rode a motorcycle before the interview.
 

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It's cool that you are thinking of these things.

At the end of the day these are just models.

The "true nature of reality" is a meaningless concept. There is no such thing.

Enjoy the ride.

Watch a movie.
 

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Mate... come on.

There isn’t a serious scientist on earth claiming time travel is real (in the Hollywood sense. Relativity dictates that time moves at different speeds depending on the position of the observer. This is fact), or that parallel dimension exist - Because there‘s no actual proof of either. There are theories which suggest they could exist, based on scientific evidence, but no more than that.

Yes, of course it’s fair to disregard all ‘evidence’ that ghosts exist because they don’t... Because, as I mentioned before, they do not obey the laws of thermodynamics. Every scientist worth their salt working in physics, biology and chemistry knows they can’t and don’t exist, because of their understanding of the natural world. Why on earth would they investigate them? Might as well investigate pixies at the bottom of the garden!
It's pointless to argue in circles as you don't want to even look at the evidence.
Here is the evidence that supports the existence of ghosts.
Real ghost seen on camera
Just because you don't want to believe in the existence of ghosts or Gods and deny all evidence, it won't make it so. See the video and try to debunk it.
 

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To be popular on the internet and get attention from gullible people, which can be monetized.
Oh yeah, a family traumatized their baby and then used sophisticated hollywood grade software to create such real looking translucent human shapes to get money and fame, even though the video is not monetized or there is no link to donations. I fail to understand the urge to debunk anything and everything related to ghosts no matter how credible the evidence. People will say anything to try to debunk such videos, no matter how crazy they sound. I have read some people calling ghosts visitors from extra dimensions or residents from the negative universe and god knows what. But no calling them ghosts or soul is crazy even though every evidence points towards it.
 

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It's pointless to argue in circles as you don't want to even look at the evidence.
Here is the evidence that supports the existence of ghosts.
Real ghost seen on camera
Just because you don't want to believe in the existence of ghosts or Gods and deny all evidence, it won't make it so. See the video and try to debunk it.

Mate. There are countless reasons for so called ‘phenomena’ that appear on cameras. But I doubt directing you to any websites or articles that soundly debunk this kind of stuff is going to convince you!

Ultimately, if you have a decent working knowledge of the physics that power our universe, you know that ghosts don’t exist, and all instances of such things can be easily dismissed.

I’d encourage you to pick up books, or watch videos, from some respected physicists that prove all of this - because it’s all stuff you can see with your own two eyes should you wish to.

I do not mean to demean or talk down to anyone, but I can assure you that a better grasp on the complexities of things like thermodynamics, quantum states, space time, electromagnetism, and the standard model would show you how none of this stuff exists... and that in actual fact the truth is far more fascinating.
 

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The origin of the universe and life are two pretty outstanding questions. The big bang and abiogenesis fall into this category, atm:

Yep, those are the ones I’m on about.

If you choose to see a god figure at the centre of those unanswered questions, then nothing I can say can stop you.

However, it’s just a matter of time until we do have a better understanding of them, and what little credence there might be left for the existence of god will end.

...although to be honest, the beginning of life is largely explained by eukaryotic cells anyway...
 
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Mate. There are countless reasons for so called ‘phenomena’ that appear on cameras. But I doubt directing you to any websites or articles that soundly debunk this kind of stuff is going to convince you!

Ultimately, if you have a decent working knowledge of the physics that power our universe, you know that ghosts don’t exist, and all instances of such things can be easily dismissed.

I’d encourage you to pick up books, or watch videos, from some respected physicists that prove all of this - because it’s all stuff you can see with your own two eyes should you wish to.

I do not mean to demean or talk down to anyone, but I can assure you that a better grasp on the complexities of things like thermodynamics, quantum states, space time, electromagnetism, and the standard model would show you how none of this stuff exists... and that in actual fact the truth is far more fascinating.
Mate, no disrespect to you too as well but I don't think you have any grasp about the laws of our universe that are unbreakable. No matter how some scientists try to deform quantum mechanics to suit their agendas it won't be able to break the fundamental rule that energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, so there goes infinite dimensions supported by string theory. Quantum mechanics proves time is absolute so there goes time travel down the drain.

As of the existence of ghosts, I have already described how they can exist without breaking any rule of the universe. We can transfer our souls or consciousness into a machine, it's theoretically possible, its just not feasible right now as our technology is not advanced enough. So ghosts can exist if the consciousness of a person is extracted by a machine and then that machine then acts as the new body of that person. If that machine is very small and can fly through air then you won't be able to see it. Also the translucent shape of ghosts can be achieved by using a 3d projection from that machine. See I proved ghosts could exist and I didn't even break any rule of the universe. No need for extra dimensions. No need for magic or miracles. It can all be explained just by using basic knowledge of science and technology.
 

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Yep, those are the ones I’m on about.

If you choose to see a god figure at the centre of those unanswered questions, then nothing I can say can stop you.

However, it’s just a matter of time until we do have a better understanding of them, and what little credence there might be left for the existence of god will end.

...although to be honest, the beginning of life is largely explained by eukaryotic cells anyway...
There is no creator of our universe. Our universe is the creator. The universe itself is the ultimate God. It was referred to as the cosmic ocean or the Parmatma or the ultimate being in many old religions of our world. Noone created universe. The universe has existed forever and will continue to exist forever. And I also believe that the universe has a consciousness of its own. And this consciousness or energy creates life.
 

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I wouldn’t put ball lightning in the same cateory and ghosts, to be honest. One could be a potential phenomenon caused by real world physics. The other is impossible - for reasons I’ve already mentioned.

I’m certainly not trying to stigmatise anyone. Everyone should be free to entertain whatever ideas they choose to. But the real world is inescapable, as are the rules that govern it. I’m just highlighting that.
I think calling something 'impossible' goes too far, the best you can do is call something 'highly improbable'. You don't know to where your knowledge of real world physics extends compared to the parts of real world physics that are as yet unknown. You might only know 10%...
See, I know you won’t agree with this, but for a vast majority of those questions... it absolutely has. Certainly enough to remove any need for gods or creators, in my opinion - and the opinion of many, many others.

There‘s a few things outstanding, but they’ll get to them 😋
...which is why this is a short sighted take. Almost every scientist will say that every question they answer leads to 10 more questions. So strongly disagree that there are "a few things outstanding".
 

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Yep, those are the ones I’m on about.

If you choose to see a god figure at the centre of those unanswered questions, then nothing I can say can stop you.

However, it’s just a matter of time until we do have a better understanding of them, and what little credence there might be left for the existence of god will end.

...although to be honest, the beginning of life is largely explained by eukaryotic cells anyway...

This will never happen.
 

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There is a movie called Black Box on Amazon Prime that basically resumes OP long post. Except for the crazy stuff of nanomachines.

The movie is well done and fun to see on a weekend.
 
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Yep, those are the ones I’m on about.

If you choose to see a god figure at the centre of those unanswered questions, then nothing I can say can stop you.

However, it’s just a matter of time until we do have a better understanding of them, and what little credence there might be left for the existence of god will end.
I can't stop you from thinking it's all an accident either, you have that faith it will be proven someday.
...although to be honest, the beginning of life is largely explained by eukaryotic cells anyway...
I'll be interested when they largely explain how you can get DNA without a cell membrane, or vice versa. That's a big unscientific leap to create a theory.
 

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I can't stop you from thinking it's all an accident either, you have that faith it will be proven someday.

I'll be interested when they largely explain how you can get DNA without a cell membrane, or vice versa. That's a big unscientific leap to create a theory.

Whoever said was an accident? Just because a sentient supernatural entity wasn’t responsible for the universe’s creation, it doesn’t mean everything just happened by chance. Cause and effect dictates that something currently beyond our understanding probably kickstarted the whole thing (unless cyclic) but it sure as hell wasn’t any god from a human religious text!
 

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Oh yeah, a family traumatized their baby and then used sophisticated hollywood grade software to create such real looking translucent human shapes to get money and fame, even though the video is not monetized or there is no link to donations. I fail to understand the urge to debunk anything and everything related to ghosts no matter how credible the evidence. People will say anything to try to debunk such videos, no matter how crazy they sound. I have read some people calling ghosts visitors from extra dimensions or residents from the negative universe and god knows what. But no calling them ghosts or soul is crazy even though every evidence points towards it.
When the choice is between it being ghosts or not ghosts, any amount of elaborate and expensive is still more likely than that ghost footage being real despite everything else that claims the same being fake. While that may sound like being in denial to you, it’s probability.

There are plenty of known reasons that footage would and could be falsified. There are no known reasons for that footage to be a genuine account of ghosts.

If it can be explained within the known boundaries of reality, for me to believe it’s actually something that until now has been the exclusive domain of fiction would require me seeing it with my own eyes while being of sound body and mind or extensive peer reviewed and verified scientific study. I cannot trust a YouTube video that tells me a ghost can hold a door shut and can barricade a child in a closet (with no evidence) from someone I don’t know, regardless of whether the explanation is they “Need help passing to the other side” like the video tells me or it’s you telling me “Nanomachines, son”.
 
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Viruses are RNA and they don't have a cell membrane, so it's not that far of a leap.
If you think about it, both RNA(or DNA) and water have hydrogen bonds and both are essential for life. I think there is a clear link between the hydrogen bonds and the condition called life.
 

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damn, S SUPERGGK , you're the one guy that I genuinely enjoy reading through his threads.

I don't count the neogaf butt, tit, or redhead threads, 'cause there's no reading required. :messenger_grinning_squinting:
Thanks man, really appreciate it. I know my thoughts and hypothesis sound crazy to some, but to me they feel less crazy than string theory or infinite dimensions or ghosts being interdimensional beings or what not. I feel that what I am saying can and will be possible in the near future. Just imagine we being able to switch between different bodies to extend our lives forever. Future sound crazy and so much fun.
 
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Many answers can be found in the ancient esoteric texts of old from China, India, Japan etc. Shintoism, Esoteric Buddhism, Taoism. The cosmology according to the ancient world is very interesting. Also explains what ghosts are and why they sometimes still haunt the living. Most of it comes down to a sick sort of attachment to this world and/or the people living in it,according to them, as far as i know. (I dont know much)

Of course the soul remains even when the body dies. If you want you can experience this through meditation, although i wouldn't go with what currently passes as meditation in the west. You could also experience astral travel but without a mentor these practices can be dangerous.

There are many answers out there, and even more half truths and dangerous cults. But no matter which way you go, as the old saying says, if you seek you will find, eventually.
 

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Many answers can be found in the ancient esoteric texts of old from China, India, Japan etc. Shintoism, Esoteric Buddhism, Taoism. The cosmology according to the ancient world is very interesting. Also explains what ghosts are and why they sometimes still haunt the living. Most of it comes down to a sick sort of attachment to this world and/or the people living in it,according to them, as far as i know. (I dont know much)

Of course the soul remains even when the body dies. If you want you can experience this through meditation, although i wouldn't go with what currently passes as meditation in the west. You could also experience astral travel but without a mentor these practices can be dangerous.

There are many answers out there, and even more half truths and dangerous cults. But no matter which way you go, as the old saying says, if you seek you will find, eventually.
Here are my thoughts why I believe that soul is not something different from our mind and body and is a part of it; and therefore can't survive without a body

A lot of people think that our soul is a form of energy that is present in our bodies and they are absolutely right. Our soul or consciousness is just the culmination of all our thoughts, memories, experiences and behaviours which are travelling inside our mind and nervous system as electromagnetic signals, which is a form of energy. But a lot of people believe that our soul is not a part of our body and can also survive without our body, which is absolutely wrong. Even Gods use nanomachines and other devices to capture and transfer the soul of a person. Because if they won’t use these devices then the signals present in the mind of a dead body will start dissipating and the soul will be lost forever.

Look around your house. Every device you can see like TV, smartphones, fans, AC etc., all requires energy and the energy is provided to them through wires. Because if wires are not present then energy will dissipate in the air and can’t be used. Also the signals that are present in our minds are very delicate and will be destroyed if they come in contact with air. Also if someone feels that water or the space medium can support all the signals that make a soul, then they are wrong too. If only water was able to support all these signals that make our soul or consciousness, then our brain would have been filled with only water. But this is not the case and to support our consciousness or soul, our brain uses billions of neurons. So anybody that thinks that the soul can survive without a body is not thinking logically.

Now if anybody argues that the soul is not the consciousness present in our brain and is something else then I just want to know what does this soul even do in our body. Does this soul help us in seeing, hearing, smelling or tasting? No, of course not, as we have sensory organs for these actions and if these organs don’t work properly, then we will lose those senses. So our soul is not responsible for our eyesight, hearing, tasting or smelling power. So is our soul responsible for our memories? No, of course not as the neurons in our brain are responsible for our memories and we can even lose our memories when we get old or suffer damage to the brain; so it clearly shows that the soul is not responsible for our memories. So is our soul responsible for the functioning of vital organs of our body? No, our brain and spinal cord are responsible for the functioning of our vital organs and if they fail then these organs can also fail. So there is only one thing remaining that this soul must be doing, which is thinking. But this is also not true as our intelligence is also linked to the development of our brain. So, an underdeveloped brain means a less intelligent person, having less intelligent thoughts.

So as we can clearly see that there is nothing in our bodies that is controlled by this soul if it’s not a part of our body as some people claim. Also if our soul is something separate from our mind and body then does it also evolve with the child that evolves into an adult and that adult evolves into an old person. And during this evolution or growth our behaviour, habits, thoughts etc., everything changes a lot. So does this external soul also change or stay the same?

So we can clearly see that our soul is not something separate from our brain and body, and is a part of it. And so I believe that our soul is just our consciousness which is a culmination of all our memories, thoughts, experiences and behaviours that are travelling inside our mind and nervous system in the form of electromagnetic and electrochemical signals. And since in the past people could not understand our consciousness and the functions of our brain; so to make sense of everything they thought that a soul was present inside us which was separate from our bodies and mind, and controlled everything. But now we know that it is wrong.
 

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Also my theory or hypothesis can also explain the astral travel or the out of body experience felt by some people while on the operating table. Since I believe that a machine is present inside our brains that is capable of supporting our soul or consciousness; and this machine is also capable of moving through air and helping the soul it's carrying in seeing or hearing the surrounding; maybe it transferred the person's soul into itself and ejected from the body prematurely, allowing the soul or person to see themself in third person.