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[TrainedRage]

Ginger is used as an insult to people with red hair.

It is unacceptable that people with non red hair call people with red hair Gingers.

I have red hair so it's ok if I use the word.

Thoughts?

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Cool. Red head work for you then?

 

[RokkanStoned]

You really want to make a thread like this instead of one that's more neutral discussing the subject of exclusionary language? I personally feel there is merits to a discussion of it, but this felt pretty low effort and antagonistic to those who might disagree with you. Ridiculing people with an analogy isn't a good way to start a discussion.

 

[Keylime]

Man...I know exactly why you're making this thread and I was going to make some kind of snarky comment about how redheads were never demonized over their red hair...and then I remember that we used to literally burn people alive because we thought they were witches and I held back.

...you have a point, but you're not going to get any kind of reasonable or rational responses from it when you present it this way.

 

[JDB]

Surely you can appreciate the difference between the context and history of the words 'nigger' and 'ginger' enough to not make short-sighted threads like these?
Also, it's cute that you made a separate thread so you get a bit more of that attention you seek.

 

[LegendOfKage]

I don't have red hair and don't really use the term ginger. I wasn't aware of it being an insult until South Park pointed it out, and I haven't felt the desire to use it before or since. Red head has a much better sound to it anyway.

 

[BANGS]

You really want to make a thread like this instead of one that's more neutral discussing the subject of exclusionary language? I personally feel there is merits to a discussion of it, but this felt pretty low effort and antagonistic to those who might disagree with you. Ridiculing people with an analogy isn't a good way to start a discussion.

How is this ridicule?

 

[Keylime]

How is this ridicule?

This thread was very likely a response to the discussion in the Kendrick Lamar thread.

 

[Mahadev]

Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger.

 

[bucyou]

I prefer to replace it with hitter or ninja, OP

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

Thanks for the memo freak.

 

[generaldane]

Not a prob

 

[Jmarshall]

I'm not ginger but many of my family are, do I qualify as being able to say "Ginger" under the one drop rule.

I get this is satire etc, but does it require a whole new thread?

 

[RokkanStoned]

Surely you can appreciate the difference between the context and history of the words 'nigger' and 'ginger' enough to not make short-sighted threads like these?
Also, it's cute that you made a separate thread so you get a bit more of that attention you seek.

Ginger does have a history though and it's one which has been part of a general acceptance of ridiculing people with red hair. The fact that it happened in modern times (2005 and onwards) and was quite honestly widely accepted on the internet, shouldn't be taken as somewhat less severe than things originating from hundreds of years ago. It can possibly also be connected to a longer history of malicious treatment towards those with pretensity of having red hair, i.e. the irish. I wouldn't take that approach though, even if it's an interesting attempt at synthesis. Point is that our blind spots are always active in how we mistreat others and there might be data available showing that we might be treating people with red hair less than others (any research done on it? psychological or sociological research?) and that it might be one of the more accepted forms of prejudice that attacks someone for the natural color of their hair.
From my anecdotal experience ginger men would be those I'd likely view as being especially affected by the perception of "gingers", and I wonder if that's just my anecdotes and prejudice speaking or if there's a gender element to it as well.

How is this ridicule?

When you start with an analogy, without any further explanation, to compare one thing to another different thing, it's certainly done in an attempt to ridicule. It's honestly childish. It's not inviting for a discussion, it's trying to strawman the opposition.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

If you were to express to me that calling you a pop tart was offensive, I wouldn't call you a pop tart.

I'm not going to be told by anyone that I can't do something as if you were authority. But if you ask me to stop hatred, I'd be down for that.

 

[BANGS]

When you start with an analogy, without any further explanation, to compare one thing to another different thing, it's certainly done in an attempt to ridicule. It's honestly childish. It's not inviting for a discussion, it's trying to strawman the opposition.

I dunno man, it sounds alot more like he's got a great point and you're just waving it away by labeling it...

 

[TrainedRage]

Cool. Red head work for you then?

If you don't have red hair I would prefer if you just called me by name not classify me based on the color of my hair.

Other red heads can call me whatever they desire.

 

[RokkanStoned]

I dunno man, it sounds alot more like he's got a great point and you're just waving it away by labeling it...

If I was "waving it away", would I write the response I wrote above it?
The proper way would be to invite a discussion into the subject of exclusionary language (only group A can say X), then showing the other side's argumentation and use the red hair example as a counterpoint. This is however just aggressive and not inviting for a tempered discussion on a subject that's not black and white.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

If you don't have red hair I would prefer if you just called me by name not classify me based on the color of my hair.

Other red heads can call me whatever they desire.

Can I call you fire crotch?

 

[TrainedRage]

Can I call you fire crotch?

Do you have red hair? If you do it's fair to say you know the pain I have been through being called names like that. So it's ok to use that insult as long as you also have red hair.

I avoid using that word myself as it's inflammatory.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Do you have red hair? If you do it's fair to say you know the pain I have been through being called names like that. So it's ok to use that insult as long as you also have red hair.

I avoid using that word myself as it's inflammatory.

I do not have red hair. My wife does tho.

 

[TrainedRage]

I'm not ginger but many of my family are, do I qualify as being able to say "Ginger" under the one drop rule.

I get this is satire etc, but does it require a whole new thread?

It's simple, do you have red hair? If not then you know the answer.

 

[BANGS]

Other red heads can call me whatever they desire.

Sounds good, Charmander McMacFitzO'Taters...

 

[TrainedRage]

Sounds good, Charmander McMacFitzO'Taters...

Sup my Ronald

 

[JimiNutz]

Nigger probably has harsher connotations than Ginger (particularly in the US) but they are both words used to put down or demonise a demographic of people and I can't really fault your logic.

 

[BANGS]

Sup my Ronald

Chillin' mah Ronny...

 

[SadlerX84]

It's ok. I will call you "Strawberry Blonde" instead.

 

[TrainedRage]

It's ok. I will call you "Strawberry Blonde" instead.

That's risky. I would avoid the connotation with red hair when talking about, or to gingers.

 

[camelCase]

You really want to make a thread like this instead of one that's more neutral discussing the subject of exclusionary language? I personally feel there is merits to a discussion of it, but this felt pretty low effort and antagonistic to those who might disagree with you. Ridiculing people with an analogy isn't a good way to start a discussion.

Lol, I agree. But how is this not an apt metaphor? Exclusionary language seems to be a popular topic on these boards, so why not entertain this example for argument's sake? Dismissing the comparison doesn't do anything but further mystify the subject. In fact, the absence of race politics makes it easier to approach without dealing with intangibles like " you can't possibly be comparing these two things...." etc.

 

[Zog]

That's risky. I would avoid the connotation with red hair when talking about, or to gingers.

You need to take ownership of the word and turn it into a word said between friends instead of an insult.

 

[Zog]

It's ok. I will call you "Strawberry Blonde" instead.

An underhanded way of saying ginger, you're not fooling anyone! /s

 

[brap]

I always thought redheads and gingers were two different things.

 

[BANGS]

I always thought redheads and gingers were two different things.

In the same way that "black" and "nword" are two different things...

 

[TrainedRage]

I always thought redheads and gingers were two different things.

I can't... Is this.... Hmmmmm. Im..... Well..... Uh.

Redhead is just a "nicer way" of saying ginger or fire crotch. And it's unacceptable that you are even using them as a joke. Unless of course you have red hair.

It's offensive.

 

[Paasei]

 

[BadHand]

Red and ginger are two separate colours.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I always thought redheads and gingers were two different things.

Yeah. I did too.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Ginger is used as an insult to people with red hair.

It is unacceptable that people with non red hair call people with red hair Gingers.

I have red hair so it's ok if I use the word.

Thoughts?

Can I call you soulless at least?

 

[Papa]

In my country, we call you ranga. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I call you, because you have no soul.

 

[brap]

In the same way that "black" and "nword" are two different things...

I meant like two different kinds of people. Like redheads were born with redhair and g*ngers had orange hair and freckles.

I can't... Is this.... Hmmmmm. Im..... Well..... Uh.

Redhead is just a "nicer way" of saying ginger or fire crotch. And it's unacceptable that you are even using them as a joke. Unless of course you have red hair.

It's offensive.

I'm so sorry. I would never try to offend a minority. Please forgive me. I'm just a disgusting brunette.

 

[Zog]

I can't believe this thread has stayed open with the 'G Word' being thrown around so much.

 

[infinitys_7th]

This thread is not doing a true analogy to that topic.

Suppose you, as a redhead comedian who routinely jokes about being a redhead, performing before a crowd of other redheads. You bring up a brunette from the audience to read a joke you wrote. She reads it.

"Why did the ginger. . ."

The audience begins to scream. You transition quickly, but a blogger pretending to be a journalist in the audience hurriedly Tweets about the anti-redhead bigot who insulted the crowd.

Shitstorm.

 

[bitbydeath]

I now prefer calling Gingers daywalkers now anyway

 

[infinitys_7th]

I now prefer calling Gingers daywalkers now anyway

I thought if gingers walked around in the day they turned into a pile of freckles?

 

[Papa]

I can't believe this thread has stayed open with the 'G Word' being thrown around so much.

Just wait until you realise what it's an anagram of.

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

I remember a time when red haired people were labeled "white as fuck"

 

[docmindbender]

If the question is do i want to live in a world that these hopelessly misguided forced speech advocates want to excerpt the answer is fucking no.

 

[Airola]

My sister and two of my cousins have red hair.
I don't have red hair but I have red beard.

Where do I fall in line?

 

[notathing]

I totally expected a thread full of pretty red heads

 

[Zog]

My sister and two of my cousins have red hair.
I don't have red hair but I have red beard.

Where do I fall in line?

Not a true Ginger.