The gunplay is so tight in 2 I'm only an hour or so into infinite and I think I hate the gameplay. I will give it a fair shake. I better get to it before ps4 last of us comes out
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I hope the world doesn't forget Bioshock Infinite.
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The gunplay is so tight in 2 I'm only an hour or so into infinite and I think I hate the gameplay. I will give it a fair shake. I better get to it before ps4 last of us comes out
That's probably a difference in preferences there. I'd rather the mobs feel more appropriate to the story as immersion in the game is very important to me (and I didn't care at all about the skyline mechanic, sorry. Besides, that just felt like shooting on rails when you were on the skyline... once again more that feeling of being in a shooting gallery vs. playing a story). And it's very immersion breaking the way Infinite did it.
For me immersion and story is very important part of the fun of playing a game.
Without a doubt my most powerful gaming experience this generation.
It's one of those games where you really want other people to feel like you do. Like with the old Final Fantasy games for example. But you know it's not gonna happen for most people, which is understandable but also a bit sad.
It's one of those games where you really want other people to feel like you do. Like with the old Final Fantasy games for example. But you know it's not gonna happen for most people, which is understandable but also a bit sad.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Characters were great
Combat was rather shitty
Game needed more meat
Combat was rather shitty
Game needed more meat
SoraanTribal
Member
I certainly won't forget it. It was my GOTY last year. Wonderful world, characters, art direction, music, animation, and a fantastic story/ending.
I am trying my hardest to forget Burial at Sea, though. Fuck what that did to the story. Just fuck that.
I am trying my hardest to forget Burial at Sea, though. Fuck what that did to the story. Just fuck that.
I don't understand it either. People say vocal minority, but where the hell is the majority? Where is everyone that likes this game?
It just seems so bizarre.
Glass Rebel
Member
I liked it to a certain degree while playing it but it didn't stay with me for very long and I have no desire to replay it ever again. As an FPS it wasn't very good but I did enjoy the story and the audio-visual presentation. As a swan song for Irrational it wasn't bad but I wish it had been closer to System Shock 2 rather than moving further away from it.
BolognaSoup
Member
It was probably in the 3 worst games I played to completion last gen. It was unforgettable for all the wrong reasons.
That's perfectly understandable. I preferred the more open feel of Infinite to the tiny encounters in 1 and 2. I thought they all wore out their welcome way before any of them ended, though.
uomoartificiale
Member
Didn't like the game at all. I hope we soon forget the times where to narrate your story (let alone that story), you had to shot hundreds of dudes in the face.
swazzyswess
Member
Ridiculous. TLOU still has a well-populated multiplayer community a year after launch, and after the start of a new console generation, because the gameplay mechanics allow for mastery and creativity; it's especially true in MP, but it's also true of the SP campaign.
Additionally, playing through TLOU on Survivor difficulty makes it a different, much more intense experience. Playing Bioshock on the higher difficulties just turns the enemies into spongier bullet sponges.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I remembered Bioshock Infinite very recently.
Not for good reasons, but I remembered it.
Not for good reasons, but I remembered it.
TLoU had fully competent gameplay but its gets really boring the more you play.
Its basically either shooting (I didn't like the aiming system) or stealth(the better way to play but sometimes the game forces all out fights)
The environments were visually impressive and cohesive (almost flawless art direction) but they WERE shallow.
All you gotta do is find random loot.When the game introduces varied interaction it becomes a lot more interesting but it doesn't always do that.The ladder "puzzles" were really pointless and repetitive.
No choices in the story or deep NPC interaction was annoying especially when the game constantly teases you with morality and what if scenarios.
I'd describe it that way after a second playthrough.
- Two gun limit... Why.
- Health packs replaced by shield... Why.
- Lack of preparation before fights means enemies like Handymen feel much more unfair than the Big Daddies in the first game.
- Guns are boring compared to stuff like the Chemical Thrower or Crossbow, and the two weapon limit stops you from experimenting with upgrades. Didn't help the worst guns tended to be the most common, or that there was the inexplicable idea to have two of the same kind of weapon (One Vox, one Founder), diluting the weapon pool further.
- Plasmids are all too samey in the first half of the game. "Press R1 to fire, press R2 to make a trap!" Charge and Undertow needed to be earlier.
- Balance is horrible among both weapons and plasmids; did they even test the Charge shield recharge? It breaks the game in half worse than even the Wrench builds in the first game.
- Level design doesn't fit the gameplay at all because it surrounds you with enemies when a shield is designed to work with cover. Also battles often puts enemies at longer ranges when most guns and plasmids are designed for medium range.
- Enemies are bullet sponges, especially those rocket launcher guys. Seriously, why the fuck did they have so much health?
- The respawn system is somehow even worse than the first two games.
- Why is there so much backtracking in such a linear game? Almost as bad as Halo CE.
- Worst boss fight of the year with Lady Comstock.
- No Songbird boss battle was disappointing.
Never understood why people hated the combat, in a world where so many shooters are just about moving from cover to cover and using uninspiring weapons. I thought Infinite had a wonderful twist with the rails and Elizabeth helping. AND you could adjust the difficulty with the upgrade system, which is a major deal for me who really likes to tailor my experience.
I was actually shocked when I finished the game and started reading all the negative comments about the combat. It felt like I had played a completely different game. I'm usually the one who agrees with most people, but when it comes to this I'm on the complete opposite.
I was actually shocked when I finished the game and started reading all the negative comments about the combat. It felt like I had played a completely different game. I'm usually the one who agrees with most people, but when it comes to this I'm on the complete opposite.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I liked it for reasons somewhat opposite to yours, OP. Pretty much all I enjoyed about the game was the combat, the skyrail arena level design, the amusing video logs, and the Luteces. I thought it was fun because of that, and enjoyed myself. I'm in the minority of people who seemed to have liked the game to have actually liked the combat.
Everything else about it was forgettable. I had to think for a solid 10 seconds to even remember the plot, and then everything I disliked about the characterizations, the writing, the atmosphere, the world building, and the exploration came rushing back.
Bioshock Infinite is a game about class warfare and race that has nothing to say about class warfare and race, contrives a kind of G-rated Old Boy love story between two characters I became less and less interested in as the game played out, concludes like a fairly clever episode of Star Trek, and that without the constant injection of dialog and lore could be excused for being thought a dumpster diving simulator with serviceable combat where you are followed around by an invincible female change dispenser.
Looking back on it now, I got more enjoyment out of the fake 1980s documentary pre-launch trailers than the actual worldbuilding and plot in the game. But yeah, the original music and the old timey covers were pretty neat.
Everything else about it was forgettable. I had to think for a solid 10 seconds to even remember the plot, and then everything I disliked about the characterizations, the writing, the atmosphere, the world building, and the exploration came rushing back.
Bioshock Infinite is a game about class warfare and race that has nothing to say about class warfare and race, contrives a kind of G-rated Old Boy love story between two characters I became less and less interested in as the game played out, concludes like a fairly clever episode of Star Trek, and that without the constant injection of dialog and lore could be excused for being thought a dumpster diving simulator with serviceable combat where you are followed around by an invincible female change dispenser.
Looking back on it now, I got more enjoyment out of the fake 1980s documentary pre-launch trailers than the actual worldbuilding and plot in the game. But yeah, the original music and the old timey covers were pretty neat.
Not even top 10 of its year.
In the interest of fairness, I said the characters were awful but that was character development and "oops lol we're in another universe now so everybody's different" which made it mostly impossible to give a damn. The Luteces were great. But I literally forgot they existed until I just saw them referenced.
Discotheque
Banned
I liked it. Some firefights got a bit tiresome but still I liked it a lot more than gaf goty 2014 dark souls 2
Moral Panic
Member
One of the worst games I've ever played. If I want to look at pretty art I'll go on Google. I'm OK with games being stronger on story but the gameplay has to be serviceable at the very least, and Bioshock Infinite fell way short of that mark. Random flash games have better gameplay. Deleted it and that POS will never be on my hard drive again. If Steam allowed you to perma delete the game I would, just so I wouldn't have to see it on my list.
swazzyswess
Member
This is brilliant
I was really hyped for it, loved it when I played through it, beat it and enjoyed the ending.
A little over a year later, upon reflection, it was the story that really grabbed me. I remember most of it but since I didn't care much for the gameplay my fondness for the game faded quickly.
It's a good game, but nothing revolutionary or long lasting for it to keep an imprint on my mind like that.
A little over a year later, upon reflection, it was the story that really grabbed me. I remember most of it but since I didn't care much for the gameplay my fondness for the game faded quickly.
It's a good game, but nothing revolutionary or long lasting for it to keep an imprint on my mind like that.
This.
The game has a recharging shield and its weapons are as stock as you can get.
Maidenpool?
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I thought it was great - it's right up there with GTAV as game of the generation.
The story is really clever - it's not at all cliche and predictable, which is a plus for a video game - Columbia is incredible to look at, (even though you can't explore) and the music is top notch.
The story is really clever - it's not at all cliche and predictable, which is a plus for a video game - Columbia is incredible to look at, (even though you can't explore) and the music is top notch.
Zeuanimals
Member
All I really see people praise the game for is the story. And when people praise the story, they tend to talk about the "constants and variables" and sci-fi aspect. Those things don't make a good story on its own but a good story can be built upon those structures, the problem with Infinite is it didn't build upon it.
It spent it's storytelling moments on explaining and over-explaining the sci-fi mechanics rather than building and developing characters and plotlines. I think many people were too busy being blown away by the twists and sci-fi mechanics, many of which were predictable and are some of the staples in sci-fi and general storytelling, rather than the actual story and characters.
Maybe I have to play the game again because I don't remember Booker or Elizabeth being anything more than a guy with regret and a Disney Princess. Maybe I missed something when the two bonded and grew as characters but the moment when Booker started caring for Elizabeth, I got confused. At what point did she become an endearing person to Booker? Was it the childlike wonder? Or the pretty face? I guess there was one moment;
, but that happened after they already grew closer. So yeah, maybe another playthrough might change my stance on the game, or at least on its characters.
It spent it's storytelling moments on explaining and over-explaining the sci-fi mechanics rather than building and developing characters and plotlines. I think many people were too busy being blown away by the twists and sci-fi mechanics, many of which were predictable and are some of the staples in sci-fi and general storytelling, rather than the actual story and characters.
Maybe I have to play the game again because I don't remember Booker or Elizabeth being anything more than a guy with regret and a Disney Princess. Maybe I missed something when the two bonded and grew as characters but the moment when Booker started caring for Elizabeth, I got confused. At what point did she become an endearing person to Booker? Was it the childlike wonder? Or the pretty face? I guess there was one moment;
Elizabeth killing Daisy Fitzroy and being traumatized and needing comfort
Fair enough with the weapons, but at least they mixed it up with powers and the ability to move around on rails. I also really liked that you only carried two weapons because it pushed you to move around and make use of everything (if you didn't play on easy difficulty).
It was not perfect but I honestly felt that it was really refreshing. The rails and combination of powers and gunplay completely did it for me.
ref
Member
I'll remember it for a couple reasons:
The intro to Columbia was simply superb. (I'm not really in awe very often by games, but the reveal of Columbia was beautiful)
It's got a pretty solid soundtrack.
Great art direction
The story, on the other hand, is something I will forget. I thought the first hours were great, but once it started getting into the alternate reality stuff, it lost me. In addition, the combat was very very mediocre. Didn't mind it, but definitely not something I'll remember.
The intro to Columbia was simply superb. (I'm not really in awe very often by games, but the reveal of Columbia was beautiful)
It's got a pretty solid soundtrack.
Great art direction
The story, on the other hand, is something I will forget. I thought the first hours were great, but once it started getting into the alternate reality stuff, it lost me. In addition, the combat was very very mediocre. Didn't mind it, but definitely not something I'll remember.
WhatsintheBox
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i think if you take away the gunplay in the game and added a bit more exploring it would've put it over the top for me. Shooting people up just seemed like time wasters until the next cutscene. I did enjoy the ending through.
Just another game to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the combat and the spell mechanics and the gun-play was alright but god the story was bad. It tried sooo hard to make itself seem more important than it actually was. The whole different dimensions was a meaningless plot device. The whole racial discrimination was just awkwardly placed in the story just to add drama with no real conclusion to it. It was just forgotten and overshadowed for a more meaningless story.
Sorry but Infinite is a game I am glad I forgot about and my least favorite Bioshock game to date.
Sorry but Infinite is a game I am glad I forgot about and my least favorite Bioshock game to date.
Messofanego
Banned
Have you played Darkness 2?
Found that to have a better playing combo of FPS with powers.
kunonabi
Member
How the hell is that even possible?
I agree, I hope people don't forget Bioshock Infinite, in particular developers, as a lesson on how not to cripple your game through really bad design choices. The game that was left on the cutting room floor, the many iterations we saw glimpses of before it actually released were infinitely (ha) more interesting than the final game we got. It's not a bad game overall, in that enjoyment can be had with it (sometimes) but it should have been, and nearly was, a whole lot better.
I thought the game was pretentious with its story and the gameplay was designed for the lowest common denominator. I was expecting some really sophisticated narrative and an overall great game, but I beat it in two sittings with a lasting impression that neither had me moved nor in awe. I was just like 'meh overrated'...