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My cousin's video card is apparently acting up and she's looking to upgrade. Has a 5770 and Corsair CX400. What'd be a good upgrade?
I went from a 5770 to an NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti and the difference was massive, but the 660 Ti is definitely at a higher price point. If she wants a great upgrade that's under $200, I'd check out the GTX 650 Ti Boost. Relatively new card, it's priced to compete with the HD 7790 but actually ends up rivaling the more expensive HD 7850.

Edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125457

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/03/..._650_ti_boost_video_card_review/#.UVuChFfm_9o
 
System
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Total amount of system memory 4.00 GB RAM
System type 64-bit operating system
Number of processor cores 4 (i7 860 OC 3.2 Ghz)

Graphics
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Display adapter type AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB Sapphire
Total available graphics memory 2811 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 1024 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 1787 MB
Display adapter driver version 9.12.0.0
Secondary monitor resolution 1920x1080
Primary monitor resolution 1920x1080
DirectX version DirectX 10
For 300-500 USD, what is the best way to go about upgrading my rig?

Primarily used for Video Games, Illustration programs, and streaming.
 
My cousin's video card is apparently acting up and she's looking to upgrade. Has a 5770 and Corsair CX400. What'd be a good upgrade?
Depends on what your budget is.

I went from a 5770 to an NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti and the difference was massive, but the 660 Ti is definitely at a higher price point. If she wants a great upgrade that's under $200, I'd check out the GTX 650 Ti Boost. Relatively new card, it's priced to compete with the HD 7790 but actually ends up rivaling the more expensive HD 7850.

Edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125457

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/03/..._650_ti_boost_video_card_review/#.UVuChFfm_9o
7850 is a better buy though.

That does look pretty good and seems to be the same price in Canada. Would a CX400 be safe?
Should be. What age is it?

For 300-500 USD, what is the best way to go about upgrading my rig.

Primarily used for Video Games and Illustration programs.
What sort of software do you use for illustration? Your GPU could be worth upgrading but it'd depend on the software you use and if it has any GPU acceleration.
 
Depends on what your budget is.



7850 is a better buy though.



Should be. What age is it?



What sort of software do you use for illustration? Your GPU could be worth upgrading but it'd depend on the software you use and if it has any GPU acceleration.
On my home computer only Adobe Illustrator, but at the university we're leaning into more complicated programs like Zbrush, so possibly that in the future.
 
On my home computer only Adobe Illustrator, but at the university we're leaning into more complicated programs like Zbrush, so possibly that in the future.
For Illustrator it appears the GPU doesn't matter from a quick Google and neither does Zbrush, they all seem to be very CPU dependent.

6950 is still a good GPU but upgrading it will bring no benefit it seems to those two programs you've mentioned, it'll only bring improvements on the gaming side whereas upgrading your CPU will see work with Illustrator and Zbrush improve but for gaming your i7 is still an excellent CPU (and you could probably squeeze a better overclock out of it).

If it were me I'd wait until June and see what happens when Intel release Haswell.

Hey kharma45. Sorry for asking like this, but can I get your opinion on my post above in regards to SSDs + H77M > Z77 and 3470 > 3570k?

I kinda feel a bit paranoid for not wanting to mess this up especially since I am building it. @_@
Don't be sorry we're all here to help each other out.

SSD wise I'd get neither and go for the Kingston V300 http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digi...&qid=1364954875&sr=1-1&keywords=kingston+v300

Changing to the 3570K is good as you'll be able to overclock to overclock. If you're going for a Pro3 I'd just go for the Z75 model as if you're getting a proper SSD you'll not be using Intel's SRT caching thing. Hazaro and mkenyon have mentioned in the past they've seen reports of them not being able to sustain their overclocks properly however I wasn't able to find the links myself and my experience with it paired with a 2500K have been good thus far. Ideally if you could afford it the best combination would be a motherboard like the ASROCK Extreme4 paired with a good air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo. If you're not going to overclock there isn't much need to go Z77 and a 3570K.
 
A co-workers friend gave him 2 4gb sticks out of a 16gb pack of Corsair Memory. He wants to upgrade to 8gigs of Ram vs. 4gb of ram. He currently has this G-Skill Memory:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

And the Corsair memory is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233190

As mentioned, he has 2 out 4 sticks of the memory making up 8gigs of Ram. Is the 8gigs of ram better, just the same or not as good as the G-Skill ram? He is just trying to save some money and wants to upgrade to 8gigs.

thanks!
 
I went from a 5770 to an NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti and the difference was massive, but the 660 Ti is definitely at a higher price point. If she wants a great upgrade that's under $200, I'd check out the GTX 650 Ti Boost. Relatively new card, it's priced to compete with the HD 7790 but actually ends up rivaling the more expensive HD 7850.

Edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125457

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/03/..._650_ti_boost_video_card_review/#.UVuChFfm_9o
Will the GTX 650 Ti Boost be relevant for a couple years? I'd like to build a rig but cannot afford a whole lot at a time, so it'll probably be a couple month's progress.
 
Will the GTX 650 Ti Boost be relevant for a couple years? I'd like to build a rig but cannot afford a whole lot at a time, so it'll probably be a couple month's progress.
7850 should last longer. More usable VRAM, more powerful and it has a ton of overclocking potential unless you're unlucky and get a dud model.

Hey kharma45. Sorry for asking like this, but can I get your opinion on my post above in regards to SSDs + H77M > Z77 and 3470 > 3570k?

I kinda feel a bit paranoid for not wanting to mess this up especially since I am building it. @_@
Don't be sorry we're all here to help each other out.

SSD wise I'd get neither and go for the Kingston V300 http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digi...&qid=1364954875&sr=1-1&keywords=kingston+v300

Changing to the 3570K is good as you'll be able to overclock to overclock. If you're going for a Pro3 I'd just go for the Z75 model as if you're getting a proper SSD you'll not be using Intel's SRT caching thing. Hazaro and mkenyon have mentioned in the past they've seen reports of them not being able to sustain their overclocks properly however I wasn't able to find the links myself and my experience with it paired with a 2500K have been good thus far.

Ideally if you could afford it the best combination would be a motherboard like the ASROCK Extreme4 paired with a good air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo. If you're not going to overclock there isn't much need to go Z77 and a 3570K.

Also, swap that Corsair PSU to this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=125449. What is making you go for that case too? It's not the most attractive but for less than $10 more you can have the HAF 912 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...119233&Tpk=coolermaster 912&IsVirtualParent=1.

Have a look and see what you think. The one thing I would 100% do is swap the PSUs and move to that Kingston SSD.
 
A co-workers friend gave him 2 4gb sticks out of a 16gb pack of Corsair Memory. He wants to upgrade to 8gigs of Ram vs. 4gb of ram. He currently has this G-Skill Memory:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

And the Corsair memory is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233190

As mentioned, he has 2 out 4 sticks of the memory making up 8gigs of Ram. Is the 8gigs of ram better, just the same or not as good as the G-Skill ram? He is just trying to save some money and wants to upgrade to 8gigs.

thanks!
His old sticks are PC1600 vs new PC1333. The old sticks are faster, but it's not much of a dropoff in performance. Upgrading to the slower 8GB is fine. Just make sure in the bios, the ram will now be running at PC1333 speeds.
 
I've heard AMD drivers can be a pain. Is it bad enough to warrant a Nvidia card instead? Are Nvidia cards generally better?

I plan on running an Intel i5 3570k as my CPU.
AMD's drivers are fine now and have been ever since they moved away from a monthly release schedule. The only way that I wouldn't recommend an AMD card is for a multi GPU set up as they are having issues with that at present and the fix isn't due until June some time.

Nvidia still has the reputation for great drivers and AMD the opposite but at this stage they're basically on a par. As for being generally better cards, a lot of games did seem to favour Nvidia but it's starting to swing back AMD's way again. This generation of cards AMD generally offers the better prospect for most situations.
 
The Corsair CX400 is 3 years, 3 months now. The budget is more of a "bang for buck thing." Games played currently: Guild Wars 2, Team Fortress 2, Torchlight 2, Minecraft... Nothing too intense but good to have options.
Should still be OK for a mid-range card. I would love to tell you to OC that CPU but I doubt the PSU would be able to handle that and a new GPU as well on top. The i5 750 has still plenty to give. If it's solely upgrading the GPU alone I'd look to the 2GB 7850 and the 2GB 660.

660 wise I'd get the MSI TF3, it's $200 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127699

This is the 7850 I would get, it's $185 after rebate and comes with Tomb Raider and BioShock Infinite for free http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102999

660 is the better card at stock levels but has slightly less usable VRAM than the 7850 (it's really a 1.5GB card due to the 192 bit memory bus). 7850 has in its favour huge overclocking headroom where if you get a good chip in the silicon lottery it can overclock to near stock 7950 levels (you need to get them up to 1.2GHz and that requires a voltage tweak). You'll not go wrong with either card but they're the two I would look at myself.

I would also considering looking into the feasibility of overclocking the i5 750 but that will require a new PSU most likely (well, I would think so any way) and a good cooler for it if you're only using something like the stock Intel one.
 
7850 should last longer. More usable VRAM, more powerful and it has a ton of overclocking potential unless you're unlucky and get a dud model.
Not sure I understand what you mean by more usable VRAM. Both cards are 2 GB. The 7850 has a slightly wider memory bus (256 bit vs 192 bit) but you'd hit a wall with the card's core performance before that became an issue (The same way the 4 GB GTX 680 doesn't perform better than the 2 GB GTX 680 in almost every test). Also, the 650 Ti Boost's memory is clocked much higher than the 7850's at stock (6 GHz vs 4.8 Ghz effective), so the memory bandwidth is not really an issue. The HardOCP link I posted showed the 650 Ti Boost matching or beating the 7850 in every test, and the 650 costs less. And the HardOCP testers were able to OC the 650 Ti Boost's core to nearly 1.2 Ghz on a reference cooler.

660 is the better card at stock levels but has slightly less usable VRAM than the 7850 (it's really a 1.5GB card due to the 192 bit memory bus).
Bus width influences the memory bandwidth, not the total usable VRAM. The 650 Ti Boost has 144.2 GB/sec bandwidth at stock speed. The HD 7850's is slightly higher at 153.6 GB/sec. Not a huge difference at all, and that doesn't really translate into any real world benefits.
 
Don't be sorry we're all here to help each other out.

SSD wise I'd get neither and go for the Kingston V300 http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digi...&qid=1364954875&sr=1-1&keywords=kingston+v300

Changing to the 3570K is good as you'll be able to overclock to overclock. If you're going for a Pro3 I'd just go for the Z75 model as if you're getting a proper SSD you'll not be using Intel's SRT caching thing. Hazaro and mkenyon have mentioned in the past they've seen reports of them not being able to sustain their overclocks properly however I wasn't able to find the links myself and my experience with it paired with a 2500K have been good thus far.

Ideally if you could afford it the best combination would be a motherboard like the ASROCK Extreme4 paired with a good air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo. If you're not going to overclock there isn't much need to go Z77 and a 3570K.

Also, swap that Corsair PSU to this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=125449. What is making you go for that case too? It's not the most attractive but for less than $10 more you can have the HAF 912 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...119233&Tpk=coolermaster 912&IsVirtualParent=1
Oh, so glad that I asked now. Thank you!

This is what I am ending up with based on what you said: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/O4iW
I think I will stick to the Z75 as I don't think I will overclock so much to get an Extreme 4 at that price point unless I drop the SSD. I was unable to find info. on Z75 having OC'ing issues.

I will have to return the Corsair once it is here, but that looks worth it. How much of an issue will it be if I sticked with it? I know it gives about 450~460W not the full 500W for one.

Edit: I forgot that overclocking will demand a better PSU. I guess that settles it.
 
Will the GTX 650 Ti Boost be relevant for a couple years? I'd like to build a rig but cannot afford a whole lot at a time, so it'll probably be a couple month's progress.
Depends what your goals and budgets are. I suggested the GTX 650 Ti Boost as a good upgrade to the HD 5770 in that price bracket. I have no idea when NVIDIA's next line of cards are due, so by the time you get around to building your PC there may be a new price:performance winner in that price bracket.
 
Depends what your goals and budgets are. I suggested the GTX 650 Ti Boost as a good upgrade to the HD 5770 in that price bracket. I have no idea when NVIDIA's next line of cards are due, so by the time you get around to building your PC there may be a new price:performance winner in that price bracket.
I guess you got a point. Is Intel's new chipset expected to cause the Sandy Bridge series to drop in price? I'll probably grab an i5 if so.
 
Not sure I understand what you mean by more usable VRAM. Both cards are 2 GB. The 7850 has a slightly wider memory bus (256 bit vs 192 bit) but you'd hit a wall with the card's core performance before that became an issue. Also, the 650 Ti Boost's memory is clocked much higher than the 7850's at stock (6 GHz vs 4.8 Ghz effective), so the memory bandwidth is not really an issue. The HardOCP link I posted showed the 650 Ti Boost matching or beating the 7850 in every test, and the 650 costs less. And the HardOCP testers were able to OC the 650 Ti Boost's core to nearly 1.2 Ghz on a reference cooler.
Both are 2GB but the memory bus on the 660 means it only ever ideally wants to use 1.5GB. "In practice this means that the GeForce GTX 660 has a fast 1.5 GB memory space, at 192 bits, and a slower, 64-bit, 512 MB reserve. The drivers have to be designed so as not to use this reserve except as a last resort or for data that isn't regularly accessed." Anandtech and Tom's have the same sort of explanations in their write ups too. As for running out of VRAM before it becomes an issue I've had my 7850 using almost the whole 2GB in Crysis 3.

HardOCP may say that but then you've other reviews saying get the 7850 like Tech Report and Anandtech. As for HardOCP's overclock, it's not that much better than the stock 7850 at 860MHz using FPS as their method of testing cards

I guess you got a point. Is Intel's new chipset expected to cause the Sandy Bridge series to drop in price? I'll probably grab an i5 if so.
It's unlikely to.

Oh, so glad that I asked now. Thank you!

This is what I am ending up with based on what you said: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/O4iW
I think I will stick to the Z75 as I don't think I will overclock so much to get an Extreme 4 at that price point unless I drop the SSD. I was unable to find info. on Z75 having OC'ing issues.

I will have to return the Corsair once it is here, but that looks worth it. How much of an issue will it be if I sticked with it? I know it gives about 450~460W not the full 500W for one.

Edit: I forgot that overclocking will demand a better PSU. I guess that settles it.
It's not Z75 that has the issues it's the ASROCK Pro3 boards themselves, not the socket type. The Corsair isn't a bad PSU by any means, there are just better alternatives out there.

Of course get some other people to look over your build first before doing anything in case I've made any mistakes or they have other suggestions.
 
Both are 2GB but the memory bus on the 660 means it only ever ideally wants to use 1.5GB. "In practice this means that the GeForce GTX 660 has a fast 1.5 GB memory space, at 192 bits, and a slower, 64-bit, 512 MB reserve. The drivers have to be designed so as not to use this reserve except as a last resort or for data that isn't regularly accessed." Anandtech and Tom's have the same sort of explanations in their write ups too. As for running out of VRAM before it becomes an issue I've had my 7850 using almost the whole 2GB in Crysis 3.

HardOCP may say that but then you've other reviews saying get the 7850 like Tech Report and Anandtech. As for HardOCP's overclock, it's not that much better than the stock 7850 at 860MHz using FPS as their method of testing cards
That example you provided shows the 192 bit bus isn't negatively impacting the 650 at all. Even at stock it slightly edges out the 7850, which again is the more expensive card.

I think the bigger deciding factor should be which brand of card and driver they're more comfortable with. I honestly don't think the 650's memory is going to be an issue given its high bandwidth.
 
That example you provided shows the 192 bit bus isn't negatively impacting the 650 at all. Even at stock it slightly edges out the 7850, which again is the more expensive card.

I think the bigger deciding factor should be which brand of card and driver they're more comfortable with. I honestly don't think the 650's memory is going to be an issue given its high bandwidth.
Depends on where you go for your reviews, Anandtech found that in their suite of games that were tested the 7850 was faster in all games bar BF3. Even with HardOCP they're tied 3 games a piece. True the 7850 is more expensive ($15 going by Newegg prices) but the AMD Never Settle bundle is a good proposition on the VFM front. 7850 remember too as I said has that huge overclocking headroom which takes it up to almost stock 7950 levels which the 650 TiB can't touch even when it is overclocked.

Memory on the 650s (and 660s) will just be one of those things that only time will tell I guess, you can only really buy for right now and they are perfectly adequate. I don't think that the 650TiB is a bad card by any means I just still feel that the 7850 is a better all round package. Yes it is slightly more expensive to buy in the first place but you get two good free games which you could flog to eradicate that price difference and when you overclock it (providing you don't get a dud) it will comfortably pull ahead. You'll not go wrong with either card though, and as you say brand is a decider in what you will end up with as well as what games you play and if you use any software that uses the GPU like say Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas.

I apologise if this is descending into nonsense from me as it's getting on to 4.35am here. Basically 7850 I think is better bang for buck all round, and AMD shouldn't have clocked it (and the rest of their range) so low out the gate as any review will be using the 860MHz 7850 which basically no one has bar ASUS who never applied a factory OC to theirs afaik. I hope they come out with a GHz bios model soon to bring a bit more competition but then the 7850 would be far too close to the 7870 I guess.
 
No no, I mean that guide post where you list all the different display connectors.
DVI



DVI-I = DVI integrated, supports both DVI and VGA output via adapter
DVI-D = DVI Digital, only support DVI output. Will not work with VGA adapter
DVI-A = Analog, only supports VGA output through adapter

Single-Link = 1920x1200 at 60Hz max
Dual-Link = 2560x1600 at 60Hz or 1920x1200 at 120Hz (as a general guideline, the actually limitations are complicated)

*A single link cable will work with a dual link port but a dual link cable WILL NOT work with a single link port.
*A dual link cable and port are required for 120Hz.

DisplayPort



-Full size display port, supports all resolutions on any monitor today (including 4k). Also supports 3D up to 4k and 120Hz signals at least up to 2560x1600.
-Supports Analog, HDMI and DVI signals through an active adapter



Symbol for dual mode DisplayPort
-Supports DVI and HDMI through passive adapter
-Analog still requires an active adapter



Minidisplayport
-supports resolutiosn up to 2560×1600 at 60hz
-supports VGA, DVI and HDMI through passive adapter (at least apple's minidisplayport does, check with PC manufacturers to double check)

HDMI



Two major cable types
Category 1 - "Standard" Cable
-Up to 1080i or 720p
-Available with ethernet

Category 2 - "High Speed" Cables
-Supports 1080P, 4K, 3D (half resolution)
-Available with ethernet
 
Depends on where you go for your reviews, Anandtech found that in their suite of games that were tested the 7850 was faster in all games bar BF3. Even with HardOCP they're tied 3 games a piece. True the 7850 is more expensive ($15 going by Newegg prices) but the AMD Never Settle bundle is a good proposition on the VFM front. 7850 remember too as I said has that huge overclocking headroom which takes it up to almost stock 7950 levels which the 650 TiB can't touch even when it is overclocked.

Memory on the 650s (and 660s) will just be one of those things that only time will tell I guess, you can only really buy for right now and they are perfectly adequate. I don't think that the 650TiB is a bad card by any means I just still feel that the 7850 is a better all round package. Yes it is slightly more expensive to buy in the first place but you get two good free games which you could flog to eradicate that price difference and when you overclock it (providing you don't get a dud) it will comfortably pull ahead. You'll not go wrong with either card though, and as you say brand is a decider in what you will end up with as well as what games you play and if you use any software that uses the GPU like say Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas.
Fair enough. I think when I checked prices last it was more than a $15 difference between the two. $15 isn't bad at all.
 
Fair enough. I think when I checked prices last it was more than a $15 difference between the two. $15 isn't bad at all.
I was just going by the Sapphire 2GB 7850 on Newegg and the 2GB Gigabyte 650TiB on there too. There was an XFX 7850 2GB which was $5 cheaper again but it's shite so I ignored it.

I apologise if I was descending into nonsense at all in my posts as it's getting on to 4.35am here. Basically 7850 I think is better bang for buck all round, and AMD shouldn't have clocked it (and the rest of their range) so low out the gate as any review will be using the 860MHz 7850 which basically no one has bar ASUS who never applied a factory OC to theirs afaik. I hope they come out with a GHz bios model soon to bring a bit more competition but then the 7850 would be far too close to the 7870 I guess.

Again, you'll not go wrong with either card in truth. 650TiB is good and if someone gave me one I'd be more than happy with what it offers.

Got my 670 and goddaaaaaaaaaaaamn is it a whole hell of a lot quieter than my 560 Ti! Really happy with it so far.
Nice upgrade that, enjoy!
 
I'm having a hard time deciding on what to do with my PC. My current rig is needing an upgrade, but I don't know if I should just get a new video card, get that Alienware x51, or just build a new system altogether.

I have an HP Pavilion that I replaced the video card with. It's got a Phenom II X6 1055T and an AMD Radeon 6850 with 8GBs of RAM. The only issue with upgrading what I have now, is I'm not sure if my power supply/case would be able to support a more powerful GPU. It's a pretty small case, and getting my current card in there was a pain in the ass.

I like that the AW x15 is pretty much good to go out of the box. The only major thing would be to get a better video card, but that would be down the road. I just don't want to spend $1000+ on a new computer to upgrade in a few months. I already did that with this computer.

On the other hand, if I build my rig I could customize it how I want and for considerably cheaper. I could probably nick some parts from my current computer for the new one. I'm just worried about things like a wireless card and an OS that would inflate the cost somewhat.


I tried going through the system builder in the OP, but I got stuck on trying to pick out a MOBO.


In short, I'm getting 20-30 fps on games like Hitman, Tomb Raider, and I want to make sure that I can run Bioshock Infinite at 60fps 1080p with everything maxed out. (Or close to it.)
 
It's not Z75 that has the issues it's the ASROCK Pro3 boards themselves, not the socket type. The Corsair isn't a bad PSU by any means, there are just better alternatives out there.

Of course get some other people to look over your build first before doing anything in case I've made any mistakes or they have other suggestions.
I found some posts about the ASRock Pro3s now that you mentioned it that way. Extreme 3 is the next step up. I will not make use of the extra stuff in the E4, so E3 it is.
I will see if I can get that other PSU. I would rather not hear another fan going load while OC'ing.

And nah, I am pretty glad I asked you; thanks a lot!. Made significant changes for the better and I haven't heard anything else from anyone so far so.
Looks final: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/O5LV

Edit: 8 bucks between the E3 and E4 after shipping and w/e put in...might as well get the E4 and two days shipping then. -_-
Edit 2: I think I'll suck it up and stick with the 500W Corsair PSU. Newegg's restocking fee + shipping back fee + more money for the XFX PSU and waiting on it until next week doesn't seem worth it.
Makes me wish that I got it from Amazon instead. Hopefully ~480W is enough without cracking up the fan too much.
 
Huge shout out to Smokey who was so kind as to actually go and buy some stuff from Microcenter for me (I live in Mexico).

Also thanks to McKenyon for suggesting contacting Smokey.

So I just finished my build (Extreme 4, 3570K, 7950) and I'm pretty happy with it.

I'll wait until the weekend to see how much I can OC.

So far I tested a few games. I got consistent 60 FPS in BF3 (1080P, Ultra) but only 25 FPS Average in the Sleeping Dogs benchmarking tool so it was a bit dissapointing...
 
Good god that Crossfire frame latency is almost comically bad. AMD needs a driver to patch that ASAP.
Yeah it's awful, their new drivers in June can't come soon enough.

I found some posts about the ASRock Pro3s now that you mentioned it that way. Extreme 3 is the next step up. I will not make use of the extra stuff in the E4, so E3 it is.
I will see if I can get that other PSU. I would rather not hear another fan going load while OC'ing.

And nah, I am pretty glad I asked you; thanks a lot!. Made significant changes for the better and I haven't heard anything else from anyone so far so.
Looks final: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/O5LV

Edit: 8 bucks between the E3 and E4 after shipping and w/e put in...might as well get the E4 and two days shipping then. -_-
Edit 2: I think I'll suck it up and stick with the 500W Corsair PSU. Newegg's restocking fee + shipping back fee + more money for the XFX PSU and waiting on it until next week doesn't seem worth it.
Makes me wish that I got it from Amazon instead. Hopefully ~480W is enough without cracking up the fan too much.
Could you link me to the posts about the Pro3 just for reference? Cheers.

PSU wise if there is a lot of hassle etc just stick with the Corsair, you'll not be using anywhere near its full capacity with that set up, even with overclocking you'll only be around 300-350w at most.

The only thing I would look at is the case, the forum posts I found on it basically say it's cheap for a reason. NZXT Source 210 could be an option if you want cheap but don't want to spend say $60+ on one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202030 Will I see a decent jump with this from a 570 GTX? Or should I wait it out?
Don't get a reference model, they produce more noise and run hotter than any of these, plus don't have as good overclocking headroom. The Sapphire in the first link is OOS sadly but it's popular so I would imagine they will restock soon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003

Any of those are solid cards with good coolers.
 
Yeah it's awful, their new drivers in June can't come soon enough.



Could you link me to the posts about the Pro3 just for reference? Cheers.

PSU wise if there is a lot of hassle etc just stick with the Corsair, you'll not be using anywhere near its full capacity with that set up, even with overclocking you'll only be around 300-350w at most.

The only thing I would look at is the case, the forum posts I found on it basically say it's cheap for a reason. NZXT Source 210 could be an option if you want cheap but don't want to spend say $60+ on one.



Don't get a reference model, they produce more noise and run hotter than any of these, plus don't have as good overclocking headroom. The Sapphire in the first link is OOS sadly but it's popular so I would imagine they will restock soon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003

Any of those are solid cards with good coolers.
I like that Gigabyte one(7950). I see the 7970 is $100 more. Just for the extra 100mhz?
 
Can some of you look over this build below and let me know if everything is compatible or suggestions to reduce cost a little. This is a rig for a co-worker that wants to be able to play most games off his HDTV at 60fps with high settings.

Thanks!


ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner

EVGA 03G-P4-3668-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti FTW+ 3GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Item

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Item #: N82E16817139028Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

G-Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Item #: N82E16820231314

ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Item #: N82E16813131837Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K Item #: N82E16819116504Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM Item #: N82E16832416550Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ... Item #: N82E16835103099Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
 
The criticism was right - Windows 8 is a burning plane crash of UI and design. I figured how bad could it be? I thought Metro would maybe be a nice UI for my comfy couch Steambox. Oh god...... It's like somebody duct taped an iPad to my PC. And I love how I always have to sign in with my Microsoft account, you know, just so they have my credit card on tap 24/7 for their App store! Lovely. As I tried to shut down this piece of shit in rage, I then realized it took me 3 minutes just to figure out where the button was.

God awful. (Task Manager is pretty sweet though)

Thankfully Amazon is awesome and took my return, and for now I'll just use my Windows 7 disc until I can pick up another key.

k. I'm done....
 
Huge shout out to Smokey who was so kind as to actually go and buy some stuff from Microcenter for me (I live in Mexico).

Also thanks to McKenyon for suggesting contacting Smokey.

So I just finished my build (Extreme 4, 3570K, 7950) and I'm pretty happy with it.

I'll wait until the weekend to see how much I can OC.

So far I tested a few games. I got consistent 60 FPS in BF3 (1080P, Ultra) but only 25 FPS Average in the Sleeping Dogs benchmarking tool so it was a bit dissapointing...
Glad I could help you!

Regarding sleeping dogs, what setting was the benchmark running on? Some of the higher preset settings are pretty demanding.
 
The criticism was right - Windows 8 is a burning plane crash of UI and design. I figured how bad could it be? I thought Metro would maybe be a nice UI for my comfy couch Steambox. Oh god...... It's like somebody duct taped an iPad to my PC. And I love how I always have to sign in with my Microsoft account, you know, just so they have my credit card on tap 24/7 for their App store! Lovely. As I tried to shut down this piece of shit in rage, I then realized it took me 3 minutes just to figure out where the button was.

God awful. (Task Manager is pretty sweet though)

Thankfully Amazon is awesome and took my return, and for now I'll just use my Windows 7 disc until I can pick up another key.

k. I'm done....

You could have just used start8. I've been using w8 for a month or so now on my machine which is 98 percent gaming. I have not had any problems, save for my 363d headphone drivers but sennheiser has already contacted me and said a update for w8 will be out shortly. I'm not using start8 but apparently it makes navigation much easier. I've already adjusted to the new ui tho and have it setup to my liking.
 
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