Rickenslacker
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I think it's time to shed the idea that Street Fighter V is a bad game.
- Thread starter Dartastic
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An entertaining Evo does not change any of the faults with the game. Exciting high level play for spectators was never really an issue. If anything that was the focus at the expense of everything tbey neglected, so they should have nailed that.
The arcade mode part of the OP is especially off-base. That has been a glaring omission, and neither is a substitute. Time does not change that.
The game still has a lot of issues and questionable decisions.
That being said, there's plenty of irrational bashing of the game, and it drowns out the valid criticism.
Turbanator
Member
What? That makes no sense at all. SFV's sounds are great. Everything is distinct and sounds how you'd expect it to sound relative to other sounds (that sounds confusing lol).
Not that T7's sounds are bad at all, though. Both have excellent sound design (unless we're also counting music, then T7 might be bottom for the entire genre).
Valkerionseven
Member
I don't disagree she, and all the ladies in general need better alt costumes. Though it's definitely a step up for her since SF4, literally all but one I think costume has her with no pants lol. Once again, staple of the character's look. I don't have any overt love for her or her default wear through out the last two decades, and I do think the camo pants are a great design/idea choice, but I can't ever make myself say or think she NEEDS to be different.
That goes for all designs though, not just Cammy.
If something as simple as this is or could be a barrier for "mainstream" appeal, then I don't want it. Who cares what people who don't care think? If a mainstream person's interest stops at "well thats interesting but that one character's outfit makes me uncomfortable..." that's not my or anyone else but their problem.
Don't get me wrong I fully understand you, but I also cannot agree 100% with trying to appeal to people out of some attempt to get more outside interest, or would scoff at something as not serious because of outfits.
Now Laura... that character needs a new costume that isn't trying to focus on her boobs. We get it, shes the sexy Brazilian character, but geeze.
Chingachgook
Banned
Abigail reveal... does that not showcase the disconnect and continued miss-steps with SFV?
It is a good game, but it's been a painful ride.
And now there are other good offerings, Tekken 7 is the best the series has ever been, and then DBZ around the corner.
SF 4 had an advantage, it was really just the best fighter out for a long time.
But in this new age, a few GREAT other fighters to choose from, highlights the positioning of where SFV is really sitting.
SFV is a great fighter, but not as standout as it used to be, a step behind.
It's like SF 4 was the best looking girl at school, everyone wanted to date her. But now in college you have SFV good looking, Tekken 7 is good looking, IJ2, DBZ are also good looking... Now SFV just has real competition, and some competition beating it in a few areas, so I think it's just a surprise to everyone. Because of this surprise, and SFV obviously poor launch, then decent recovery, but again miss-step with updates, and like the Abigail reveal... it's ok, becuase SFV is still a good game, just the competition has caught up and leading in some areas IMHO.
But yes SFV does get more hate then it deserves, just like Destiny for Bungie.... just happens sometimes.
It is a good game, but it's been a painful ride.
And now there are other good offerings, Tekken 7 is the best the series has ever been, and then DBZ around the corner.
SF 4 had an advantage, it was really just the best fighter out for a long time.
But in this new age, a few GREAT other fighters to choose from, highlights the positioning of where SFV is really sitting.
SFV is a great fighter, but not as standout as it used to be, a step behind.
It's like SF 4 was the best looking girl at school, everyone wanted to date her. But now in college you have SFV good looking, Tekken 7 is good looking, IJ2, DBZ are also good looking... Now SFV just has real competition, and some competition beating it in a few areas, so I think it's just a surprise to everyone. Because of this surprise, and SFV obviously poor launch, then decent recovery, but again miss-step with updates, and like the Abigail reveal... it's ok, becuase SFV is still a good game, just the competition has caught up and leading in some areas IMHO.
But yes SFV does get more hate then it deserves, just like Destiny for Bungie.... just happens sometimes.
Opus Angelorum
Member
A great Evo appearance does not make a great game. Hell even Injustice 2 had hype moments, and it is an awful zone based piece of shit.
Turbanator
Member
Very subjective.
The point is that there's a very good reason why backdashes are the way they are in Tekken, and that's because the game is balanced around you as a player using your various movement options to disengage someone's offense instead of just mindlessly backdashing whenever you want to reset the situation like Rose could in SF4. You keep blaming KBD as the reason you're not able to do the things you want, but the reality is that KBD is not making the difference in you getting hit and whiff punishing, single backdash is sufficient.
If what you gleaned from JDCR was support for your stance, then I don't know what to say, you're beyond reasoning with. This is pretty much exactly like someone complaining 1 or 2 frame links are too hard in Street Fighter when they haven't even bothered to learn footsies or fundamentals that open your opponent up to combos in the first place. This is pretty far off topic, so if you're actually interested in improving in Tekken, there are plenty of resources out there.
Whatever negative opinions that exist about SFV, they have been earned. It doesn't have to be a bad game, but it is WOEFULLY mediocre.
I'll share some of my opinions.
Street Fighter has such a rich history of games that people are obviously disappointed with today's iterations. The games have been much better before. This current game is lacking in so many ways.
Survival is the worst, most soul-crushing mode that I've played in 25 years. In any genre. The absolute worst.
People don't commend Capcom for delivering a free story-mode because it should have been there from the very start. And also, the story is just a collection of eye-rolling scenes strung together.
The art direction is not appealing, and graphics are sloppy. All the clipping is way too noticeable for my tastes.
Outside of classics like Ryu, Chun Li and Guile the roster is full of ridiculous designs like Birdie, Fang, Mika and now the even more out-of-place roided Abigail.
Backgrounds in stages are one of my favorite things in fighters, and most of the backgrounds in SFV are boring and dull. The classic stages like Guile's are nice, but again should have been there day one.
The DLC offerings are super overpriced. I still remember $25 was the price for a "special" stage and some costumes. Also 4 dollars for a single costume was unacceptable. IMO the whole games-as-a-service model isn't about delivering a quality product as much as its about nickel and dime (though that's a larger conversation honestly) and its ridiculous paying for colors and things like that too.
The game is not that fun to watch, again my opinion. The Tokido storyline was great at EVO and was great to watch him win, but that's despite the game they had to play. I enjoy seeing someone finally break-through and win a tourney.
Even if every tournament was amazing to watch, the game is not moving copies, which is the bottom line from Capcom's perspective.
Capcom just seems so out of it right now when it comes to their fighters. Maybe its time to shed the idea that SFV can recover and move on to Marvel (oh boy...) or SF6 someday.
I'll share some of my opinions.
Street Fighter has such a rich history of games that people are obviously disappointed with today's iterations. The games have been much better before. This current game is lacking in so many ways.
Survival is the worst, most soul-crushing mode that I've played in 25 years. In any genre. The absolute worst.
People don't commend Capcom for delivering a free story-mode because it should have been there from the very start. And also, the story is just a collection of eye-rolling scenes strung together.
The art direction is not appealing, and graphics are sloppy. All the clipping is way too noticeable for my tastes.
Outside of classics like Ryu, Chun Li and Guile the roster is full of ridiculous designs like Birdie, Fang, Mika and now the even more out-of-place roided Abigail.
Backgrounds in stages are one of my favorite things in fighters, and most of the backgrounds in SFV are boring and dull. The classic stages like Guile's are nice, but again should have been there day one.
The DLC offerings are super overpriced. I still remember $25 was the price for a "special" stage and some costumes. Also 4 dollars for a single costume was unacceptable. IMO the whole games-as-a-service model isn't about delivering a quality product as much as its about nickel and dime (though that's a larger conversation honestly) and its ridiculous paying for colors and things like that too.
The game is not that fun to watch, again my opinion. The Tokido storyline was great at EVO and was great to watch him win, but that's despite the game they had to play. I enjoy seeing someone finally break-through and win a tourney.
Even if every tournament was amazing to watch, the game is not moving copies, which is the bottom line from Capcom's perspective.
Capcom just seems so out of it right now when it comes to their fighters. Maybe its time to shed the idea that SFV can recover and move on to Marvel (oh boy...) or SF6 someday.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
Completely agree. SFV was incredible to watch yesterday at the Evo finals, as was Smash Wii U. The game's launch had innumerable problems, but SFV is a blast to watch at a high level. Very elegant.
No
They revealed a single character you might not have liked
calm your butt
or she could get a new outfit
Like Tekken exists, there is no excuse, them mother fuckers just change clothes. SF doesn't exist a vaccume, if cammy puts on say... her Final Fight street wise outfit
People will still no its cammy, Tekken has existed for years, and now with injustice characters changing clothes and outfits isn't foriegn, and I think that's kinda where this genre is going in terms of outfits too, and if sf6 happens, that's what will happen. So she can totally just wear other clothes, I think the only people who will care are... interesting folks who might be getting to upset on whether you can see her butt or not
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
A lot of the irrational hate comes from the usual suspect, rabid platform warriors. It's the same for nearly every PS4 exclusive game... hell for almost any game period.
There will always be those who use hyperbole and silly, juvenile, ill-conceived and contrived non-arguments to try to derail worthwhile discussion on a game's flaws and merits.
You certainly aren't going to change their minds with a logical appeal, OP. They live for this stuff. It's the reason the login to NeoGaf.
There will always be those who use hyperbole and silly, juvenile, ill-conceived and contrived non-arguments to try to derail worthwhile discussion on a game's flaws and merits.
You certainly aren't going to change their minds with a logical appeal, OP. They live for this stuff. It's the reason the login to NeoGaf.
I wish more people were like you, that's how it should be if you don't like the game move on and play something you like more instead of just complaining and hating on the game you don't like.
It would be extremely fascinating to see if it persists after a potential XB1 release. I've always wondered if the situation was particularly vitriolic because of this.
as someone who's become platform agnostic, it's easy to forget this kinda shit when talking about games on the internet lol
Balance patch coming soon dude.
At the same time though, there may be people who like the game and find it fun to play but have legitimate gripes with it still that shouldn't just be handwaved away.
The bit addressing the arcade mode in the OP is horrible in that regard and that kind of attitude is what leads to people being even more vocal with their complaints over and over again.
WrenchNinja
Member
Did you type all of this with a straight face?
Story mode is whatever, but the combo trials, particularly Season 2's are actually pretty legit. They have combos for various situations (aa, super, v trigger, corner, etc) that are actually usable and do a good job of showing what the character can do. I think a lot of people are probably sleeping on them
roflwaffles
Member
I don't hate SFV but I don't find it fun enough to play. Then again I didn't play SFIV either but that was mainly because I hated how that game looked aesthetically.
Watching top 8 EVO for both of these games throughout the years has always been a treat though, regardless of how I feel about the games. The legacy behind the players really makes it hype as all hell.
Watching top 8 EVO for both of these games throughout the years has always been a treat though, regardless of how I feel about the games. The legacy behind the players really makes it hype as all hell.
deadeyekiwi
Member
I love sfv, put hundreds of hours into it and always feel great playing a couple matches after a long day, but at the same time I just cannot bring myself to recommend it to people the way I would tekken or kof. I feel every street fighter since 2 starts ok or mediocre and is amazing by the final iteration. Street fighter 3 sucked but then you get to third strike and it's the best one of the bunch. Then you go to sfiv which is fine, but by the time you get to ultra it's awesome again. One day Im sure sfv will get to that point and maybe surpass all the other ones, but to say it's there now would be a lie.
joecanada
Member
Uhhh yeah until so many people move on and your favourite series is dead . Do you think mass effect fans were saying this too during Andromeda launch and how will they then feel if it's done for good?
Seems like the valid concerns are pretty damn important seeing as how many people passed on this game outright
No
They revealed a single character you might not have liked
calm your butt
or she could get a new outfit
Like Tekken exists, there is no excuse, them mother fuckers just change clothes. SF doesn't exist a vaccume, if cammy puts on say... her Final Fight street wise outfit
People will still no its cammy, Tekken has existed for years, and now with injustice characters changing clothes and outfits isn't foriegn, and I think that's kinda where this genre is going in terms of outfits too, and if sf6 happens, that's what will happen. So she can totally just wear other clothes, I think the only people who will care are... interesting folks who might be getting to upset on whether you can see her butt or not
That skin for Cammy looks excellent. Is it fan-made?
Young Magus
Junior Member
This. All of it
Tho even I must admit, SFV hate does get too intense at times
As does the SFV defense force
thats a mod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwh19YWzGRo
and i swear, if capcom touched cammy default outfit people would complain "why they had to censor/mess with cammy"
....They still have her original outfit. Ryu has a fluffy beard and a torn outfit for an alt, and most people seem to dig it. Hell, I prefer this scruffy look to his SFII original.
Its a mod, if you have the pc version of Street fighter you can download it here
The website triggers false virus positives when you link it, its fucking fine. Don't worry its fine . The website hosts a lot of SF mods, and mods for other games as well.
I actually have yet to play it myself, but while I thought EVO top 8 was fine, it was probably my least favorite Street Fighter top 8 since I started watching EVO (2011), and I think I could owe part of that to the game itself. There were very few moments that blew me away and it just felt kinda bland at times compared to 2014/2015 USF4 finals.
Young Magus
Junior Member
One thing I will say about SFV is that the mods are grrrrreeeeat
i just jumped in SFV a few days ago, had it lended to a friend and had been playing KOF XIV instead.
So far i am enjoying the game, i knew it had some issues at launch, and waited (i usually do , for most games , so i skip early problems and also get them at a lower price). The only think i don't really like is the Fight money thing, but i guess everyone, capcom, and the players, will have learned from it for future implementations.
I am not against DLC, and fighting games in particular can last long if content is added during the generation, but not sure if the way SFV handles this is the better. SNK's KOF DLC so far seems the way to do it (nothing revolutionary , just correct, considering it launched with 50 characters too)
As for online i find it correct, only when there's lag teleporting characters is weird, at least in KOF characters move slow but you still can play somehow.
Character design isn't also my cup of tea, but to be honest, the perfect game does not exist, and a wide variety of characters is the best approach imo, as everyone will find a few they like (i usually enjoy more 'classic' characters, karate guys and things like that, instead of weird ones).
And game play well, i am not a pro and still play fighting games as if i was playing SF2 or fatal Fury special, so hardly use meters and bars, i have fun with more basic attacks and combos, so SFV is fine so far.
One advice i'd give to you is to try to not take internet forums too seriously, it is difficult sometimes because you want to enjoy a healthy talk and instead many times you find a bipolar approach to everything, it is the best or the worst, people nitpick all the time. For example, Geese gets announced for Tekken, , i read twitter reactions and or people happy or angry as fuck.
So far i am enjoying the game, i knew it had some issues at launch, and waited (i usually do , for most games , so i skip early problems and also get them at a lower price). The only think i don't really like is the Fight money thing, but i guess everyone, capcom, and the players, will have learned from it for future implementations.
I am not against DLC, and fighting games in particular can last long if content is added during the generation, but not sure if the way SFV handles this is the better. SNK's KOF DLC so far seems the way to do it (nothing revolutionary , just correct, considering it launched with 50 characters too)
As for online i find it correct, only when there's lag teleporting characters is weird, at least in KOF characters move slow but you still can play somehow.
Character design isn't also my cup of tea, but to be honest, the perfect game does not exist, and a wide variety of characters is the best approach imo, as everyone will find a few they like (i usually enjoy more 'classic' characters, karate guys and things like that, instead of weird ones).
And game play well, i am not a pro and still play fighting games as if i was playing SF2 or fatal Fury special, so hardly use meters and bars, i have fun with more basic attacks and combos, so SFV is fine so far.
One advice i'd give to you is to try to not take internet forums too seriously, it is difficult sometimes because you want to enjoy a healthy talk and instead many times you find a bipolar approach to everything, it is the best or the worst, people nitpick all the time. For example, Geese gets announced for Tekken, , i read twitter reactions and or people happy or angry as fuck.
It's good to have valid concerns and complaints but when it gets to the unhealthy obsession where you into every thread or anything related to the game and just try to shit on it that's bad, there are so many fighting games which are better than SFV right now yet those people rather play SFV and shit on it than play those games and help them grow.
JediLink
Member
SFV and MvCI are an insult to what fighting game sequels can and should be. They massively downsize the roster, gut the core mechanics, add underwhelming new content and have nowhere near the graphical upgrade you'd expect of a generation leap, but increment the number on the box and expect everyone to be happy about it. There's no excuse for Capcom when every other company are delivering fantastic high quality games.
miller.skippins
Banned
MK9, MKX, Injustice 1 & 2, KOF14, Skullgirls, divekick, Killer Instinct, etc..........never released in arcades.......do they have arcade modes? Take a guess.
miller.skippins
Banned
again, those who kept on harping on this are truly not understanding how casuals play fighting games...they don't play fighting games so that they can play it 'properly'...they play it to have fun...i.e....almost like a 15-20min rollercoaster ride with an ending and be done with it for the day.
When will you competitive players understand they casuals DO NOT WANT to play online competitive or practice combos in practice mode?
Hey..i can hang on with my pals in the basketball court every so often to 'play' basketball but you bet your ass i've never ever practice and me and my pals have never 'challenged' anyone..we just want to throw some balls in the hoops.....
Same mentality for fighting game casuals.
how do you feel if a basketball player (professional or recreational) come to you and tell you that you must practice your b-ball skill and play competitively if not, you might as well stop playing b-ball?
Rickenslacker
Banned
how would you feel if you could not play basketball against robots and instead had to do it against people
sorry i'm being facetious i just felt like saying that
not even close imho. And it lacks SP content (and the sp content available is worse than SFV)
yes it has gotten much better
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Nothing about the game made that Top 8 good.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Its a good game, but it could use...
1. Higher execution combo options for high level/pro players. This would make tourney spectating more fun too.
2. Arcade mode. Good for casual players like me and for people who have to wait 15 mins to find an online game.
3. More costume DLC. I suspect Capcom are walking away from a lot of money by not pumping out costume DLC at a rate similar to the DoA guys. I want to use Juri but hate all her existing costumes.
I will close by saying that yesterdays SFV Evo finals were great to watch.
1. Higher execution combo options for high level/pro players. This would make tourney spectating more fun too.
2. Arcade mode. Good for casual players like me and for people who have to wait 15 mins to find an online game.
3. More costume DLC. I suspect Capcom are walking away from a lot of money by not pumping out costume DLC at a rate similar to the DoA guys. I want to use Juri but hate all her existing costumes.
I will close by saying that yesterdays SFV Evo finals were great to watch.
miller.skippins
Banned
how would you feel if you can't play NBA2K8 against AI and there's no season/exhibition mode and only a 1pv2p mode and that's it?
And everytime the game boot you out of your progress when it's disconnected from the server (which is more frequent than neccessary).?
Rickenslacker
Banned
i wouldn't feel anything personally i don't play the game, but you were talking about actual basketball though.
Since I am very passionate about this I will repost this repost again (did it a couple of times before):
Considering SFV made me stop playing the series I disagree
Way too simplified and streamlined. SFIV is timeless, and Ultra is actually fairly balanced.
Ok I can't resist pasting another entry of mine from a different thread, pretty much sums up how I feel about SFV:
"Personally, from someone who played 3s and 4 for ages, Street Fighter 5 made me quit playing the series, mainly due to the heavily simplified gameplay. In an effort to hook the casual players in Capcom went haywire and removed almost anything hard and interesting except 1-hit confirms. They added a 3 frame buffer to everything, virtually trivializing every combo in the game and removing any layer of strategy from it. They removed close proximity normals for whatever reason. They shortened hitboxes on normals so that characters that play a reactive footsie game with range are practically non-existent. They added extra input lag that makes it harder to react to and whiffpunish stuff, this in combination with the stubby normals makes it a slugfest where players take turns frametrapping each other. All this comes together to create an aggressive game where any attempt to play any other way is punished.
I'll paste an entry I made in a different thread:
I've played fighting games all my life, played the shit out of every iteration of Street Fighter 4 and was one of the top players in my country for the games lifespan, and I uninstalled SF5 after maybe twenty hours. I did this due to a number of reasons, some of them being the streamlining of characters where every single one practically has the same gameplan, the 3 frame execution buffer which to me ruins the game since it severely oversimplifies things, the stubby normals that makes most exchanges take place with the characters right next to each other, and the input lag.
I'd like to talk about the aversion to execution barriers that many people in this thread seem to have, and the notion that skill should only exist as mind games and not on a technical level. I call bullshit. The biggest part of fighting games are about outsmarting your opponent, true, but execution plays an important role too. Take for example a move that is -4 on block. Without an input buffer the risk of throwing this move out is not that great since punishing it requires 1 frame timing, and unless someone is looking for it punishing it on reaction is hard. With an input buffer punishing this suddenly becomes super easy, essentially making every move that is -3 or -4 on block an automatic punish. It removes depth from the game.
The same goes for difficult combos. I see nothing wrong with a player having to choose between the easier option that gives less damage/positioning, or the harder one that could close out the round but if missed leads to a massive punish. It teaches players to know when to take risks, and to know when to step back and choose the safer option. If you whiff a DP in front of me I can choose to do the hard 1f-link FADC combo to put you in the corner, giving me a bigger chance to end the round. I can also go for a damaging, easy combo since I don't want to risk getting punished or failing and barely hitting you for any damage at all. Calculated risks on more levels is not a bad thing. Once again making links and combos easy removes the depth of having to choose.
Most characters in games that have harder execution doesn't require harder execution combos. It's there for those that put in the extra time and effort to learn it. If you want to be a boxer you need to hit the gym, if you want to be good at online shooters you need to practice your aiming. If you want to be the good at fighting games you need to hit training mode and learn the technicalities."
Considering SFV made me stop playing the series I disagree
Way too simplified and streamlined. SFIV is timeless, and Ultra is actually fairly balanced.Ok I can't resist pasting another entry of mine from a different thread, pretty much sums up how I feel about SFV:
"Personally, from someone who played 3s and 4 for ages, Street Fighter 5 made me quit playing the series, mainly due to the heavily simplified gameplay. In an effort to hook the casual players in Capcom went haywire and removed almost anything hard and interesting except 1-hit confirms. They added a 3 frame buffer to everything, virtually trivializing every combo in the game and removing any layer of strategy from it. They removed close proximity normals for whatever reason. They shortened hitboxes on normals so that characters that play a reactive footsie game with range are practically non-existent. They added extra input lag that makes it harder to react to and whiffpunish stuff, this in combination with the stubby normals makes it a slugfest where players take turns frametrapping each other. All this comes together to create an aggressive game where any attempt to play any other way is punished.
I'll paste an entry I made in a different thread:
I've played fighting games all my life, played the shit out of every iteration of Street Fighter 4 and was one of the top players in my country for the games lifespan, and I uninstalled SF5 after maybe twenty hours. I did this due to a number of reasons, some of them being the streamlining of characters where every single one practically has the same gameplan, the 3 frame execution buffer which to me ruins the game since it severely oversimplifies things, the stubby normals that makes most exchanges take place with the characters right next to each other, and the input lag.
I'd like to talk about the aversion to execution barriers that many people in this thread seem to have, and the notion that skill should only exist as mind games and not on a technical level. I call bullshit. The biggest part of fighting games are about outsmarting your opponent, true, but execution plays an important role too. Take for example a move that is -4 on block. Without an input buffer the risk of throwing this move out is not that great since punishing it requires 1 frame timing, and unless someone is looking for it punishing it on reaction is hard. With an input buffer punishing this suddenly becomes super easy, essentially making every move that is -3 or -4 on block an automatic punish. It removes depth from the game.
The same goes for difficult combos. I see nothing wrong with a player having to choose between the easier option that gives less damage/positioning, or the harder one that could close out the round but if missed leads to a massive punish. It teaches players to know when to take risks, and to know when to step back and choose the safer option. If you whiff a DP in front of me I can choose to do the hard 1f-link FADC combo to put you in the corner, giving me a bigger chance to end the round. I can also go for a damaging, easy combo since I don't want to risk getting punished or failing and barely hitting you for any damage at all. Calculated risks on more levels is not a bad thing. Once again making links and combos easy removes the depth of having to choose.
Most characters in games that have harder execution doesn't require harder execution combos. It's there for those that put in the extra time and effort to learn it. If you want to be a boxer you need to hit the gym, if you want to be good at online shooters you need to practice your aiming. If you want to be the good at fighting games you need to hit training mode and learn the technicalities."
DryEyeRelief
Member
that would suck if the number of people in the world that played basketball was equal to the number of people who play street fighter competitively
Rickenslacker
Banned
yeah but what if you had an online bball court
How does Abigail, a single character in wide spectrum of characters, showcase the missteps of SFV? I do not get this. I hold contempt for SFV for other reasons, but every person who's pushing the narrative "the Abigail reveal shows everything that's wrong with SFV" is really irritating because it makes zero sense to me.
I'm no Abigail fan, but I respect his inclusion because he's different. He provides the variety that Street Fighter always strives for. Sure, they could have used anybody else, but that's true for anything, so what difference does it make?