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[MiszMasz]

my two biggest fears about moving into a new home are infestations and haunts.how do you explain the place in the world that are famously and infamously known to be haunted?

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Fucking spoilers...

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I joked about having a ghost for a while because I heard all kind of noises and sometime things in the kitchen moved around a bit, so I put down a rat trap and killed the ghost. Remember to wear gloves!

 

[MrCunningham]

I joked about having a ghost for a while because I heard all kind of noises and sometime things in the kitchen moved around a bit, so I put down a rat trap and killed the ghost. Remember to wear gloves!

This is where having a pet cat becomes beneficial. They make good Ghostbusters.

 

[Patrick S.]

My house is not haunted, but I think I have the Bundy Curse.

 

[True Savior]

Buy a webcam.

If no ghosts appear during the period in which you can reimburse the device , maybe join MFC after to make up for the money spent.

 

[lazer_bean]

So I'm convinced my apartment is haunted.

Here's the problem.
Ghosts dont exist and neither do haunted houses

It's weird that you convince yourself that something paranormal happens when there are rational explanations (your landlord pr intruders ? Heck, it could be anything)

 

[Corpsepyre]

No such thing as a haunting, mate. Sorry to break it to ya.

 

[demon]

It doesn't matter if people do or do not believe in ghosts but for the people who have experienced it, it's f'in real as shit. You can be a non believer but just saying "no you are lying, stop bullshitting" is just an insult to the people that did have such experiences. I've had several experiences myself that were truly frightening but why bother telling it to people who just dismiss it like that as it was something made up or "crazy".

The ketchup on the wall is kinda funny though OP.

"several experiences that were truly frightening" is in no way evidence of spirits of dead people wandering around the earth. There are countless ways your brain can fuck with you and make you think you experienced things that didn't really happen, and they can all be explained by science. You can't blame people of being at the very least extremely skeptical of something that goes against the very laws of nature, has never once been proven to exist, and in any given case when investigated enough is shown to be something else.

but yeah, fedoras and stuff.

 

[Orbis]

how do you explain the place in the world that are famously and infamously known to be haunted?

I cannot think of a single one. But I am more than happy to read about them.

 

[boiled goose]

Some would claim there is an argument for. You just don't believe it. Fine. My point is the discussion is an interesting one and I don't understand the hostility towards asking a question such as 'do ghosts exist?'. It's a matter for the individual.

Edit: sorry about thread derail. I'll stop!

You seem to be missing the key issues.
No it is not just 'I don't believe it'. There are no valid arguments.

There is a reason anecdotal 'experiential' accounts are not evidence and 0x100 is still 0.

This is important.
1) If you lower your standard for 'evidence' (reasons to justify belief) to be so low then you basically have to believe everything, including contradictory claims. It is by definition illogical. You have to recognize this.

2) I've said this many times, but I'll repeat it because people seem to be missing it. You CANNOT explain a mystery with a larger mystery. It is also illogical. Imagine you have an experience where you "saw a ghost". How the fuck could you possibly know it was a ghost? What does that mean? We don't know they exist. We don't know how they would operate. We don't know ANYTHING about them so how can you claim that it's a ghost? This is something people don't understand about how claims validation and logic work. Saying "it was a ghost" is basically the same as saying " it was &$%$&". It is complete madeup gibberish.

Yes there is no solid evidence but there is also no strong effort to find evidence. It's an off-limits and largely taboo subject in the scientific community. Any scientist that would hope to find funding for such research would be ridiculed and mocked, and probably rightfully so, because if such a thing existed, it would be impossible to even know where to start in trying to prove it. People like me, close-minded loons, are able to consider that such a thing might exist and that modern science just may not be advanced enough to be able to properly explain it. It's completely understandable that you may find this kind of stuff not worth discussing, that's fine, but there are lots of intelligent people that do.

I don't think it's fair to say that discussing this kind of stuff is at the same level of discussing the possibility of unicorns and space fairies. Throughout history, there haven't been millions of eyewitness reports and anecdotal accounts of encounters with unicorns and space fairies. That's in stark contrast with things like ghosts and UFOs which have historically been reported on and speculated about since the dawn of man. It's easy to dismiss these countless claims of supposed interaction with the supernatural as typical human delusion, sure, but for people who have experienced the same kind of unexplainable phenomena, we find some of these accounts worth considering.

Sorry but bolded is total BS. We are where we are now because there is no reason for investigation. Science works by convergence and our understanding of the world also converges.

We know much more about how the brain works. How living things work. Etc. How would you research ghosts? Why would you research ghosts?

"someone saw a ghost" How the fuck do they know they say a ghost? Again, you can't just make explanations up. How do they know it was a ghost? Why is ghost even a valid possible explanation? We wouldn't even know what a ghost is.

On experience with the supernatural.
How do you know it was supernatural? What does supernatural even mean?

It is completely amazing to just to made up explanations instead of admitting that human brains sometimes fuck up. It is the most blatant form of self-centeredness and arrogance possible and completely myopic.

 

[YourMaster]

You didn't call the cops?

Don't get me wrong, for me the existence of ghosts is just a little more believable than the existence of gods, and a little less believable than the existence of brain eating zombies, but how do you see this playing out?

You call the cops with a message that while you were away somebody build a little pyramid of books in your house and it probably wasn't ghosts who did it. No, nothing was stolen and no signs of forced entry, but you would like them to come of and stop this maniac.

 

[Prez]

2) I've said this many times, but I'll repeat it because people seem to be missing it. You CANNOT explain a mystery with a larger mystery. It is also illogical. Imagine you have an experience where you "saw a ghost". How the fuck could you possibly know it was a ghost? What does that mean? We don't know they exist. We don't know how they would operate. We don't know ANYTHING about them so how can you claim that it's a ghost? This is something people don't understand about how claims validation and logic work. Saying "it was a ghost" is basically the same as saying " it was &$%$&". It is complete madeup gibberish.

Pretty much this. Many explanations have been made up for paranormal experiences:

- God or Jesus giving a sign
- Aliens with advanced technology
- Ghosts
- Mythical creatures
- Breaks in the energy field (whatever that even means)
- Parallel universes/other dimensions

For each of these theories there are plenty of people who believe it explains a paranormal occurrence they've experienced. None of them supported by evidence.

 

[PeskyToaster]

Isn't there a standing prize for whoever can prove a paranormal phenomenon under controlled conditions?

 

[GKSilKamina]

Are you sure this "ghost" isn't just some maintenance worker who got ketchup on your wall while you were out? Or not just the landlord?

Why would a ghost put ketchup on your wall?

Ghosts probably don't even like ketchup.

Are you sure YOU'RE not the source of the ketchup and weird smell? People do weird things when they're drunk or sleepwalking.

 

[shaowebb]

Yea, your landlord is going into your house when you're gone.

This dude. The mundane is a far more frightening thing than the supernatural. Setup something to test this. Place tape on the bottom of your fridge door with a hair taped to the fridge from the door. Come back and its snapped the dude is coming in and raiding the fridge. Best bet...get a security camera on the cheap at walmart and place it facing the door out of sight. Then confront him with the police.

 

[Kenai]

Yea I gotta agree that it's perfectly ok to not know why something is going on but it's kinda a bad idea to explain something away with something completely lacking any evidence of existence (like ghosts or magic or whatever).

Because what's the point in explaining something with something equally unexplainable? Just ask wtf is going on and try to figure it out rather than assuming X or Y before it is actually observed (at all, anywhere) and record it, and you're on your way to primo scientific research methods!

 

[Aliquidmeri]

OP is in Brooklyn, not Baltimore, so it must be a ghost.

 

[crazepharmacist]

Set up a camera!

 

[Gr1mLock]

The unknown is simply unknown, assuming its something else is not productive.

Neil Degrasse Tyson: "god is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance"

You and your science that demands proof of things. If you just opened your ignorant mind, think of all the things you could imagine?

 

[MicH]

This thread reminds me of a similar thread some months ago. Guy thought someone was sneaking into his apartment/house and doing bizarre things like completely clog the toilet with tampons and hiding ice cream in his bathroom. I believe he was skizophrenic so it was speculated that it was himself all along. Frightening

 

[Punkster_NY]

call the cops and make a report and change your locks.

 

[Ushay]

Landlord is defo going into your apartment,

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

n/m taken care of.

 

[OldmanAndroid]

Don't get me wrong, for me the existence of ghosts is just a little more believable than the existence of gods, and a little less believable than the existence of brain eating zombies, but how do you see this playing out?

You call the cops with a message that while you were away somebody build a little pyramid of books in your house and it probably wasn't ghosts who did it. No, nothing was stolen and no signs of forced entry, but you would like them to come of and stop this maniac.

I think its standard for the cops to bring a ouija board in these types of situations.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Are ghosts the same thing as a soul?

 

[Randomizer]

This thread reminds me of a similar thread some months ago. Guy thought someone was sneaking into his apartment/house and doing bizarre things like completely clog the toilet with tampons and hiding ice cream in his bathroom. I believe he was skizophrenic so it was speculated that it was himself all along. Frightening

Yeah that guy posted numerous threads about his paranoid stories. In one he thought a family of Mexicans were living in his attic, laughing at him. People here are the ones who convinced him to get diagnosed. Scary how real it is to them.

 

[corn_fest]

There was a thread like this on Reddit recently and it turned out there was a gas leak in the apartment causing the OP to forget stuff he did.
Just saying, OP.

 

[Stinkles]

I just took 2 more pictures and something deeply concerns me after people mentioning someone living in my room and me not knowing. There is a fireplace that has been closed off in my room. The door feels a little loose but I was afraid to take it off in case I could not get it back on.



The windows btw have bars on outside so no one could get in that way.

Yep. Fireplace monster. Sometimes fireplaces have big ash collector chutes that lead to the outside or an ashcan in the basement.

 

[Tesseract]

what if it's a giant lobster

 

[akira28]

what if it's a giant lobster

giant lobster dinner, duh.

edit:

I mean the OP will be the giant lobster's dinner.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Someones living in your attic.

 

[dehalcyone]

OP, put your knives somewhere else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X9qXTvKNQ

 

[Colocho]

Guys, the OP hasn't responded since last night, this means the ghost got him since he was gonna expose him to the world when he set up the camera. I will take no other explanation as this is clearly what happened.

 

[Tesseract]

OP, put your knives somewhere else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X9qXTvKNQ

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i'm checking every part of my house right now.

 

[diggmcbadass]

Guys, the OP hasn't responded since last night, this means the ghost got him since he was gonna expose him to the world when he set up the camera. I will take no other explanation as this is clearly what happened.

The ghost obviously turned OP into human tomato juice.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Your other you is in charge of a fight club

 

[Rivitur]

People believing in ghosts is some dumb shit.

There is literally zero evidence to support them beyond anecdotal.

I mean how the hell do these ghost hunters know that an EMF reader would be the thing to detect ghosts?

An estimated 107 billion people have died. We would literally be inundated with ghosts at this point. Like your property would have about 6 ghosts.

It's super strange that ghosts only really started to be a thing in the 1800s. There is never a depiction of a caveman ghost. Ghosts in the current interpretation are clearly based on the Victorian Gothic period.

Why are only Humans allowed to be ghosts. What about the Billions of other creatures that have died? Do they not unlock ghost powers?

When you apply the smallest percentage of logic to Ghosts the entire thing falls apart.

OK Mr scientist who doesn't believe in scientific equipment that actually records thing but you dispute it because its being used to get readings for something you don't want it to.

 

[diggmcbadass]

OK Mr scientist who doesn't believe in scientific equipment that actually records thing but you dispute it because its being used to get readings for something you don't want it to.

Why would EM readings imply ghosts?

 

[Noirulus]

Here's the problem.
Ghosts dont exist and neither do haunted houses

It's weird that you convince yourself that something paranormal happens when there are rational explanations (your landlord pr intruders ? Heck, it could be anything)

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? If there's intruders, why would they splat some ketchup on a wall? How do you explain the smell of the dead animal when he can't find anything in his apartment?

Why would his landlord even enter his apartment? And if so, what motivations leads to him/her doing what happened?

So many people in this thread are so utterly immersed into their world view that there is nothing in life that cannot be explained. This is why most people tend to hide their stories of unexplained phenomenon, because they fear that people will think they're crazy.

 

[Fracas]

edit: wrong thread LOL

 

[Rivitur]

Why would EM readings imply ghosts?

Its a detection of energy and as humans we have energy. Energy can't be created nor destroyed so why isn't it possible when humans die so of that energy is left on the earth and can be detected by instruments that are used to measure such things?

 

[Necromanti]

Energy can't be created nor destroyed

How do you know that for sure?

 

[MikeDip]

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? If there's intruders, why would they splat some ketchup on a wall? How do you explain the smell of the dead animal when he can't find anything in his apartment?

Why would his landlord even enter his apartment? And if so, what motivations leads to him/her doing what happened?

So many people in this thread are so utterly immersed into their world view that there is nothing in life that cannot be explained. This is why most people tend to hide their stories of unexplained phenomenon, because they fear that people will think they're crazy.

No, taking a view based in reality instead of jumping to the absurd is not the ridiculous sounding point of view, sorry mate.

Its a detection of energy and as humans we have energy. Energy can't be created nor destroyed so why isn't it possible when humans die so of that energy is left on the earth and can be detected by instruments that are used to measure such things?

You have no idea what you are talking about, you are massively misunderstanding the energy can't be created or destroyed thing. Go reread those highschool science books.

 

[usernamechange]

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? If there's intruders, why would they splat some ketchup on a wall? How do you explain the smell of the dead animal when he can't find anything in his apartment?

Why would his landlord even enter his apartment? And if so, what motivations leads to him/her doing what happened?

So many people in this thread are so utterly immersed into their world view that there is nothing in life that cannot be explained. This is why most people tend to hide their stories of unexplained phenomenon, because they fear that people will think they're crazy.

Yes, it's everyone else that's immersed in their own world view. Jesus, people that believe in ghosts are literally deluded.

 

[Gumbie]

OP hasn't posted since late last night...

 

[diggmcbadass]

Its a detection of energy and as humans we have energy. Energy can't be created nor destroyed so why isn't it possible when humans die so of that energy is left on the earth and can be detected by instruments that are used to measure such things?

Doesn't really answer the question why an EM reading is a ghost. You only have the EM reading, and can't compare it to any known property of ghosts. That energy can't be created nor destroyed is actually completely irrelevant to the entire question, because that says something about the energy in a system. A human is not a system, but the universe is.

EM readings don't imply anything about the existence nor presence of ghosts unless we already had done experiments that showed ghosts to emit EMR.

 

[MikeDip]

Doesn't really answer the question why an EM reading is a ghost. You only have the EM reading, and can't compare it to any known property of ghosts. That energy can't be created nor destoryed is actually completely irrelevant to the entire question, because that says something about the energy in a system. A human is not a system, but the universe is.

People using science sounding concepts in the completely wrong situation to make their views sound more plausible is not a new thing and it makes me sad

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Why not just call a witcher?

 

[Noirulus]

Yes, it's everyone else that's immersed in their own world view. Jesus, people that believe in ghosts are literally deluded.

I never claimed to believe in ghosts, I'm simply open-minded to other explanations. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[MikeDip]

I never claimed to believe in ghosts, I'm simply open-minded to other explanations. Get your head out of your ass.

Refer to what msv posted last page :

You are the closed-minded one here. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean you're open-minded. There's 7 billion people out there, billions of them able to record any paranormal activity, yet there is no absolute evidence. Nothing. You are the one ignoring that, you close off your mind and decide to focus purely on anecdotes with no proof what so ever. So don't tell me I'm the closed-minded one when you have your head in the sand.

Just saying "I'm open minded!" is meaningless and pretty absurd. You believe in literally anything? No matter what? Should I? Should we all?

Believing ghosts are a possible explanation for this dude having ketchup on the wall does not make you open minded. It makes you ignorant and kinda silly.