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I think this next generation is going to be the biggest jump since moving to 3D.
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I agree with ya buddy
but next time try embed your pics, like this
or just use the insert picture icon, and then select it all and quote it if the images are really big
Kageshinzo
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If we're going to talk pure 3D era (that means anything past 16-bit), nothing ( and I do mean nothing) so far has made a graphical leap as great as the 5th generation - 6th generation consoles. Specifically when the Dreamcast was introduced. The first time Shenmue was previewed and shown in motion, most everyone agreed that the next generation had, in fact, truly been represented.
nailbombxx
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Perhaps if everything was 60fps and 1080p then you might be right.
Please show me a smaller, more insignificant jump based on visuals and gameplay evolution.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
You must have missed the post/posts where I mentioned I do almost all of my gaming on PC.
You are full of it if you think baseline PC games are more impressive than baseline next gen games.
There are about 10 games, and that's being generous, that are on PC right now, that are even comparable to next gen. And Out of those, only a few of them can arguably be on par or better than next gen offerings.
Most PC games are upressed current gen ports.
Sure, Crysis 1-3 look amazing, as does Metro and Battlefield. The Witcher 2 is okay. After that, the list starts to dwindle.
And who gives a fuck if us PC gamers have better graphics on our vastly superior hardware? Not people comparing one console generation to the next, thats for sure.
The leap from PS3 to PS4 is gigantic. PC is irrelevant to that discussion.
What launch line-up shows gameplay evolution besides the jump from 2D to 3D? I swear to god, it's the same stupid shit every gen "OMG these launch games look like the ones we have now with prettier graphics, diminishing returns, end of gaming!"
People need to wake up and realize that launch games never have and never will show the full potential of a console and what type of interesting gameplay the console will enable unless it's a paradigm shift like 2D to 3D. Where was the gameplay evolution from PS1-PS2 or PS2-PS3 (I'm talking late titles vs. launch titles). The answer is, fucking nothing. Through each of those gens we got stuff like SOTC and Uncharted 2. Give this gen some time to get going before writing it off, christ.
Syphon Filter
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complete opposite.current gen is even bigger then next gen.
BigTnaples
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Logic bomb.
Who the hell are you talking to? Nobodys writing off the whole gen, just stating the fact that the jump from last gen to next gen is small and incremental. Just like the previous jumps were, only a little smaller each passing gen.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Also take notice of how many of the ones saying diminishing returns and aren't impressed are huge Nintendo fans. They do it to make the WIi U look better. That's why these types of questions are disingenuous. Seriously, I just went through a few pages... Goomba, Zoukka, Interceptor, Prag16, Coolwhip. There's of course people who really do believe it but this is a common trend in these types of threads and it's kinda taboo to even bring it up but it's become so transparent now that you kinda have to.
e- ^^ ahh beaten. Yes absolutely. Fanboys are fucking hilarious.
Bigger than the jump to 3D? That's just silly. I don't think there will -ever- be anything as significant to gaming as the addition of an entire new dimension. BAR virtual reality-like apparatus such as the Occulus Rift. Fully realized VR might be able to compete with the jump from 2D to 3D, yes but this next gen? lol c'mon man.
I do think that there are a whole lot of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about though. The jump from current to next is pretty god damn impressive to anyone who isn't clinically blind or criminally stupid/fanboy. I think a lot of the downplaying simply comes from certain fans who will be stuck with slightly souped-up current gen visuals for the next half a decade or more. Just look at their post history for a good laugh.
Bigger than the jump to 3D? That's just silly. I don't think there will -ever- be anything as significant to gaming as the addition of an entire new dimension. BAR virtual reality-like apparatus such as the Occulus Rift. Fully realized VR might be able to compete with the jump from 2D to 3D, yes but this next gen? lol c'mon man.
I do think that there are a whole lot of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about though. The jump from current to next is pretty god damn impressive to anyone who isn't clinically blind or criminally stupid/fanboy. I think a lot of the downplaying simply comes from certain fans who will be stuck with slightly souped-up current gen visuals for the next half a decade or more. Just look at their post history for a good laugh.
BigTnaples
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Good thing the OP says "Since moving to 3D" as in, post leap to 3D.
Reading comprehension for the win.
Barack Lesnar
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OP says "since moving to 3D", meaning after the 3D leap.
^^ This.
Feel free to lol it up but I've participated in lots of Nintendo threads and graphics threads for the past 2 years and it's a common trend. You could say the same about the other 'teams' in respective situations. It's also been pointed out a bunch of times by other people, not just my dumb ass. FourMyle just mentioned it above, actually.Fucking lol at your fanboy reasoning
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http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/740/740385/resistance-fall-of-man-20061019114909136.jpg
Also this
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are pretty piss poor jumps
And lets go ahead and compare games a generation apart on the same engine, released during the same year.
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Is less of a jump than this
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Ahh my bad, I've been awake too long.
I still don't think it's the biggest though. Those video links someone posted to show off the difference between PS1 GT and PS2 is mind blowing really. I do think the leap is more impressive than PS2/GC/XBX > PS3/360 though.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I think I'm in line with that as well. Sounds about right.
E: It's also important to note that this gen has been so long that Sony and MS can get away with not having every component being god-tier. That's the reason I'm not too worried about "netbook cpus" and so forth.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Hmmm... the premise of this thread is odd since all we've seen so far have been better visuals. And I actually felt the jump to high def was bigger jump than the move the "3d era".
So... I disagree with the OP. I think this is not going to be a huge jump... so far it is just a continuation of last gen for me. I already get 60fps 1080p on my PC. If I end up getting a console it'll be because my friends will probably get one.
So... I disagree with the OP. I think this is not going to be a huge jump... so far it is just a continuation of last gen for me. I already get 60fps 1080p on my PC. If I end up getting a console it'll be because my friends will probably get one.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
1. Wat?
2. No shit. But what does that have to do with console generations?
I'm boggled by how some in this thread still think the leap to the 8th generation is the biggest yet. Throwing out all logic and reason to come to this conclusion. I can only guess that we are so desperate for a new generation that we allow ourselves to be blinded by anticipation.
Best graphics does not mean biggest leap.
The 5th to 6th generation jump was in the orders of magnitude. We're not just talking about a dozen times the performance and computational ability, we're talking about HUNDREDS.
Hilariously, PS1 screenshots don't do the UGLY enough justice. You had to see the polygons SWIM, seam and BREAK in motion.
Anyone claiming this is the biggest leap is either disingenuous or is blinded and cannot think rationally on the matter. [/Amir0x]
Best graphics does not mean biggest leap.
The 5th to 6th generation jump was in the orders of magnitude. We're not just talking about a dozen times the performance and computational ability, we're talking about HUNDREDS.
Hilariously, PS1 screenshots don't do the UGLY enough justice. You had to see the polygons SWIM, seam and BREAK in motion.
Anyone claiming this is the biggest leap is either disingenuous or is blinded and cannot think rationally on the matter. [/Amir0x]
Earthpainting
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The jump is there, but I don't think it's all that significant thus far. Going from PS1 to PS2 is a hard leap to beat. We were dealing with some of the crudest (often untextured) geometry with pixels that could blot out the sun, to models that resembled the things it wanted to look like. Dragon Quest 8 even looks better than the FMVs from DQ7. How often can we say that FMVs were surpassed in generational leaps from a series?
That said, who knows what they'll be able to pull off in the end. Comparing generations is best to do in retrospect. That way developers have had plenty of time to get accustomed to the hardware and explore the possibilities.
That said, who knows what they'll be able to pull off in the end. Comparing generations is best to do in retrospect. That way developers have had plenty of time to get accustomed to the hardware and explore the possibilities.
How about instead of continuously insulting people you actually try to have a conversation, or have examples which can be backed up with videos, images, etc. No body is saying this next generation is the biggest ever. I simply said that since moving to 3d, meaning the jump to 3d is unquestionably the largest, that this could possibly be the biggest jump. Whether or not it's bigger than the jump from 5th to 6th gen I feel is still up in the air, and given what we've seen is very much doable. Again, we wont know what new type of gameplay innovations and design will pop up until well into the next generation. So basing your criticism on "oh where's the gameplay leap" on account of early launch games is a little quick to judge,
Whether or not it's bigger than the jump to ps3/360 I don't even think is a serious question. Even this early in it already seems to clearly be blowing away what was being done on the ps3/360 relatively speaking, as well as opening up new gameplay ideas with the rise of indie support and a move towards larger worlds, connectivity, and a bigger sense of scale. To say that next gen wont even meet the same jump or that it wont even come close to the ps3/360 jump seems absolutely crazy given what we've seen so far, but hey man it's your opinion so oh well.
How can it be up in the air CraftySkills? How? How tell me how the PS4 is going out perform the PS3 by hundreds of times. Tell me, I'm genuinely interested in knowing how the PS4 is going to output graphics hundreds of times more sophisticated than the PS3.
Lol adjust your tin foil hat, buddy.
JimmyRustler
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I do not really agree with OP (PS1 to PS2 was HUGE) but I am kinda baffled with the negativity people on this board are going into the next gen. Yes, PC gamers probably won't be impressed with the first bunch of games but has this every been much different? When I bought the 360 I was just coming from the PC and the only reason I was stunned at first was because of HDTV. Graphics of the 360 launch games weren't that much better than the ones from Far Cry, HL² and Doom³ at that time if you had a solid PC. So what's the big deal?
No new games, a lot of cross gen titles. Has this every been different? This coming launch lineup is actually the best we've ever had. And people are still complaining.... I really have a hard time wrapping this up in my head.
No new games, a lot of cross gen titles. Has this every been different? This coming launch lineup is actually the best we've ever had. And people are still complaining.... I really have a hard time wrapping this up in my head.
Absolutely agree in what you say I had the same feeling but this is gaf... hyperbolic drama and the feel of being elitist...
I agree with you and this post. This gen is starting off great with great graphics. But these systems are not supercharged PC's which was claimed. They are not being as heavily subsidized and understandably so. I think they'll produce some great games.
But being the biggest leap since entering the 3D age is laughable. Legitimately laughable. Which is the premise of the thread, its in the title.
Best graphics doesn't mean biggest leap.
JimmyRustler
Member
Yeah, it was the usual hyperbole. Was THIS ever different? Like, didn't Kuturagi claim one could maneuver rockets with the PS3 or some shit like that?
Because the next generation hasn't started yet and we have upwards of 7+ years to see its potential? I'd also like to know where your getting this "hundreds of times more powerful" fact. Is ps2 100, 200, maybe 300 times more powerful that ps1? I mean which one is it? Let me guess, is it precisely 157 times more powerful? Because everyone knows measuring hardware by how many more times powerful it is has proven to be so reliable and efficient. I mean that method clearly worked when measuring the ps3, oh wait it didn't.
Then why exactly do you keep pointing to MGS 2 as some unobtainable leap which will never be met again? Despite looking pretty, it still pretty much played and controlled exactly like MGS 1, which played and controlled pretty much like Metal Gear 2.
Metal Gear Solid 5 represents the biggest gameplay and design leap the series has ever seen. While also looking incredible doing it.
Crafty Skills
Most engines on PS1 pushed 150,000 textured polygons a second with little to no effects.
Ps2 could push 20, 000, 000 with far more effects
You know what that is Crafty Skills? A big fucking difference. A factor of 133 x the polygon count alone and not even discussing the effects and resolution bump.
PS3 => PS4 will be closer to 10 x overall power Crafty Skills. The jump in GPU speed, transistor count is nowhere near the same as the PS1 to PS2 and there's not going to be magic fairy powder to make up the difference.
BigTnaples
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Because polygons and transistor counts are the biggest differentiators in gaming graphics in 2013....
*Rolls eyes*
They were then. The PS2 was dramatically more sophisticated architecturally than the PS1 and that lead to engines literally calculating hundreds of times more data. The jump from PS3 to PS4 is laughable. I laugh at anyone who thinks its comparable. Its literally an irrational position to hold.
PS-X / PlayStation / PSone
Geometry Transform Engine: (calculated/transformed polygons/sec)
*1.5 million verts/sec
*500,000 polygons/sec
GPU: (rendered, displayed on-screen)
*360,000 flat shaded polygons/sec displayed
*180,000 textured, gouraud shaded, lit polygons/sec displayed
Was going to post but man, this thread is just too far down the gutter to even start. World record cherry picking going on when selecting screenshots (and games) to prove points; bullshots used as proof, false equals used to prove things.
Just not worth it going at.
But let me tell you, no this generation is not the biggest jump yet.
Just not worth it going at.
But let me tell you, no this generation is not the biggest jump yet.
I think that was mostly because of a lack of developer resources or work.
Also, aren't these new consoles far more like PC's than any previous consoles? As in, their architecture is basically identical to PC's. Doesn't this mean that they shouldn't have much trouble maximizing the potential graphical output of launch games or early games compared to previous consoles, since these consoles don't have any exotic hardware that will take years to figure out?
visual fidelity is only one factor.
SNES -> PS1 brought us much higher quality sound. characters started saying things that you could understand vs "I think he said a-doo-keh." Further along in PS2 era and beyond, we got more and more tracks that were fully orchestrated or done w/ enough skill that you couldn't pick up on the artificial instruments. we've pretty much reached a peak on that end (assuming you have the hardware capable of properly playing said tunes); advances based solely on graphical fidelity is going to be not nearly as impressive.
SNES -> PS1 brought us much higher quality sound. characters started saying things that you could understand vs "I think he said a-doo-keh." Further along in PS2 era and beyond, we got more and more tracks that were fully orchestrated or done w/ enough skill that you couldn't pick up on the artificial instruments. we've pretty much reached a peak on that end (assuming you have the hardware capable of properly playing said tunes); advances based solely on graphical fidelity is going to be not nearly as impressive.
darkistheway
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The publishers are going to happy reading this thread because there are people in here who think a layer of polish and particle effects represents 'the biggest jump since moving to 3D.'
You know what I think - even if this transition was the biggest - it is still not big enough to impress me. It's just graphics. If you like graphics that much, you really shouldn't be buying a PS4 or an Xbox One. The PC versions of the games coming this fall are already looking better.
You know what I think - even if this transition was the biggest - it is still not big enough to impress me. It's just graphics. If you like graphics that much, you really shouldn't be buying a PS4 or an Xbox One. The PC versions of the games coming this fall are already looking better.
