Jawmuncher
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So now im confused as to how the translations can get so messed up then.
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If all we do in Resident Evil 4 is shoot and kill, then why the praise?
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So now im confused as to how the translations can get so messed up then.
"Gameplay" is another vague, meaningless nothing word. I can't tell if you're using terms I specifically dislike on purpose or not.
Are you speaking of mechanics? Content? Structure? Pacing? Help.
Yeah, that's a good point too. The actual weapon upgrading is satisfying as hell to go through as well. Red9 fo lyfe.
It's not new within the realm of human drama horror. It's been done in "Psycho" and other horror films. However, bringing midget and giant trolls just bringing the already stretching beyond-credibility horror of RE to another level.
I think people forget that the original title of this series is called "Biohazard". To that matter, I'm fine with all kinds of Biohazard freak incidents, providing it makes sense in perverse kind of ways. But I just don't see how the giant troll can materialize out of our existing species. I know, logic shouldn't apply to the creatures but to me the trolls have gone beyond pseduo-science horror and into the realm of fantasy. It's part of the reason why I dislike RE4 so immensely. And that's why I cringe when I see the Godzilla-sized monster in RE6. It's just ridiculous. I know RE storyline is ridiculous but this is taking it to another level that I just don't like. It reminds me too much of Alien invasion games like Resistance now.
Controls
Annoying vehicle stages
Ridiculous plots (Giant trolls and Napoleon midget included)
Escort areas with Assley
Lack of terrifying atmosphere
I was never a big action game fan so it was a bit tedious to me. And no, the RE games up until RE4 are not what I'd classify as action games and/or shooters and/or whatever the hell we feel like calling them because apparently nothing can be classified anymore.
I can definitely fault the game for being a big change, not really being a fan of what it changed into, and being disappointed in that. What if it changed into an RPG suddenly with RE7? Should people just shut up and enjoy the ride? I don't think so.
Functionally I think it's pretty damn good.
There was a Giant Snake in the first game. I think making Godzilla is the sort of thing Umbrella would get up to - they are those kind of guys.
Jawmuncher
Member
Even as much as I love the game, like others said the whole castle section playing it for the first time just didn't feel like it fit.
Especially when you're running away from the robot.
Seriously why isn't that made fun of more?
That's a bigger WTF than punching boulders.
badcrumble
Member
they're not messed up, that's a dumb talking point for weeaboos who desperately wish that RE4's hilarious B-movie script could be attributed to baka gaijin translators instead of being the actual thing that the developers shot for
NinjaBoiX
Member
Exactly this. Any game can be broken down in this manner.
I remember one guy on this board complaining that Top Spin 4 was too repetitive. That's right, a tennis game was too repetitive.
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Level design, I think is up there, pacing, without a doubt the best game ever in that regard
There is one moment in RE4 that stands out in my mind, and solidifies it for me as being one of the best games ever.
There is a point in the game when you are in a
. There is a room. Just a hallway with the windows open. The wind blows into the room and the red velvet drapes hover above you as you walk down the hall, the music lowering to silence until all you hear is leon's footsteps.
No enemies, no monsters, but I was scared of that room. I turned off my GC and stopped playing for the day. The pacing in the game had been built up so well that my adrenaline was always pumping. I was always expecting something new or whatever to come out an attack me. It the only game I've ever played where the gameplay scared me. Not fear out of desperation or "oh shit I'm out of bullets" but just good old fashioned Hollywood fear with superb use of sound, art and pacing. it's one of the few game that really used it's cinematic techniques for more than just aping old Hollywood franchises(Uncharted...) but to add something new and interesting to a franchise.
It's an amazing game that deserved every fucking award it got.
There is a point in the game when you are in a
castle
No enemies, no monsters, but I was scared of that room. I turned off my GC and stopped playing for the day. The pacing in the game had been built up so well that my adrenaline was always pumping. I was always expecting something new or whatever to come out an attack me. It the only game I've ever played where the gameplay scared me. Not fear out of desperation or "oh shit I'm out of bullets" but just good old fashioned Hollywood fear with superb use of sound, art and pacing. it's one of the few game that really used it's cinematic techniques for more than just aping old Hollywood franchises(Uncharted...) but to add something new and interesting to a franchise.
It's an amazing game that deserved every fucking award it got.
I find these argument to be ridiculous when all the previous RE games had the same issues, especially the bolded. Re4 wasn't scary but RE3 was? The controls were bad? What the heck was the rest of the franchise?
Rickenslacker
Banned
Are you saying this acknowleding that the previous games had bad controls as well? 'Cause it's the same tank controls but with more fidelity on the aiming.
Jawmuncher
Member
I'll back up RE controls until the day I die.
Every single on of them might be different from the gaming norm, but I wouldn't call them bad controls. They work in the environment present and only take a little bit of time to adjust to.
Every single on of them might be different from the gaming norm, but I wouldn't call them bad controls. They work in the environment present and only take a little bit of time to adjust to.
i thought it was mostly agreed upon that the old games had bad controls.
The Xtortionist
Member
RE4's controls were great. They made it so every single shot had to be a calculated action and emphasized the hell out of awareness and positioning.
Magicpaint
Member
No.
ResidentDante
Member
This. Allthough I love Gears of War. It's that damn shoot OR walk shit in RE4 and RE5 that bothers me the most. So annoying and feels like you are controling a shitty robot or something.
Sorry my lord, I will not use words you do not like. The wiki is passable I guess:
And most importantly, how you go about making the change happen: with brute force, with puzzle-solving, with stats? Those are some general archetypes.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Intelligently designed scenarios, hints of openness in level design and paths, mechanically well balanced, great pacing, shootng feels right and amazing boss fights. They managed to nail the feeling that every bullet counts and every enemy is dangerous. Which is something many games miss. Ultimately it was a precursor to the onslaught of third person over the shoulder shooters this gen but at the time it was quite unique as a shooter and very progressive.
Jawmuncher
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I never had a problem with that.
Though it didn't make sense that you couldn't even walk a little in 4 and 5.
For the most part not being ablt to move and shoot did make the game far more tense. Especially when the Chainsaws were around.
Kinda like the camera system RE6 was supposed to have!
They worked, and still work, perfectly fine.
I don't know about you, but I had to learn how to play FPS games with a mouse and WASD, then relearn the twin stick control mechanism when I finally moved to consoles, and neither came instantly. It is like that - eventually even in the fixed camera angle games the controls fall away and all you think about is what is happening in the game.
Net_Wrecker
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Not to mention the game is built around the fact that you can't move while aiming. There's never an area that feels "wrong" because you can't strafe. It's a game designed with its limitations in mind.
You obviously didn't read well. There's ridiculous things RE1-3 introduced and then there's ridiculous things that RE4 introduced. I was fine with what RE1-3 introduced since it didn't go beyond its pseudo-science. But I felt RE4 had gone further into fantasy with the mind-controlling plant (or whatever that is) and giant trolls.
Tank controls, you'd think after 3 games and the 4th being trumpeted to bring changes, they'd overhaul the tank system first instead of changing the environment. But nope. As for atmosphere, being chased by Nemesis while evading zombies is 10x more tense than facing the umpteenth Ganados and their stupid venus flytrap spine.
See above.
They did. Apparently, you didn't utilize the changes.
Also, I'm not aware of many tanks that can turn 180 degrees in an instant.
Jawmuncher
Member
Agreed. Also I feel RE5 why designed the same way yet it still gets so much flak for no move and shoot (Only time that's really odd is in the MP VS)
I can definetly agree with that.
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Jawmuncher
Member
The only time where I felt the mechanics didn't fit in well was in the Desperate Escape DLC.
I dunno. I have read a long and impassioned essay about how MGS2 ruined the series by adding fantasy elements, and I was like, Dude, did you not notice the guy with psychic powers*?
I guess I just think giant dudes is something that could totally happen in the Resident Evil verse.
Now ghosts or actual demons from hell I wouldn't like.
*He did, but apparently that was Okay, for reasons he never really explained.
Little Green Yoda
Member
RE4 was my first experience with QTEs so for a while, I never understood the hate for them. They kept me on my toes during cut-scenes and the Krauser fight was soooooooo good.
RE4 and
are the only games I ever replayed immediately after beating the game so I guess those two are my favorite games of all time lol.
I think the pacing/level design answer is the big reason why RE4 is so fun to play - I wonder if anybody ever did an extensive analytical breakdown of the game and everything it did correctly.
RE4 and
TWEWY
I think the pacing/level design answer is the big reason why RE4 is so fun to play - I wonder if anybody ever did an extensive analytical breakdown of the game and everything it did correctly.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Agreed, I never wanted strafing or movement added to the formula
Only thing I thought they should have added was a dodging and weaving mechanic on the analog stick. They could have ripped it straight out of God Hand.
RE4 has the greatest QTEs of all time. To this day it's one of the few games that uses them properly. That Krauser fight was mind blowing.
This. The controls are flawless. The NES Castlevania games come to mind: They seem slow and laggy, but then you realize the entire game is built around them being slow and laggy. Changing them would simply make things worse.
I should maybe play your spoilered game, cause RE4 for me is the only game I immediately started replaying after beating. Like, end credits, started new game. Not even new game+, I wanted the whole experience over again.
Resident Evil 4, like others have said, is adroitly paced and designed. I thought the story was just stupid more than I thought it was enjoyable cheese (midget guy at the castle was rough), but everything else feels close to flawless. The atmosphere alone is incredible; the only other games that make save points feel like such calming and critical sanctuaries are the Metroid Prime games. Along with that, you get the addictive weapon upgrade system, the wide variety of scenarios you're presented with, the distinctive boss battles, the surprisingly enjoyable inventory system...
Hell, I think this highly of the game and I played it for the first time less than a year ago (Wii version).
Hell, I think this highly of the game and I played it for the first time less than a year ago (Wii version).
RE4 is one of the best games ever made and truly a testament to Mikami at his best. Everything about the game was ahead of its time. I can't write enough words to praise it and this thread actually is encouraging me to play through it again.
Question is if the HD version on PS3/360 is good enough to overcome the Wii edition with pointer aiming.
Question is if the HD version on PS3/360 is good enough to overcome the Wii edition with pointer aiming.
The HD version is a barebones port but it's still the best version out so far.
Pointer aiming breaks the game, so it's not really a positive. Go HD.
Is the HD version worth a buy? Does it have all the alternate costumes/extra modes? I just started a Professional playthrough of the Wii edition to prepare for
disappointment
Little Green Yoda
Member
With that game, it comes down to whether you "get" the battle system. If you do, it's an amazing game so definitely check it out. But just because I loved both of them, don't think the two games have anything in common xfd
except their awesomeness
Yeah, I don't like Seperate Ways. It doesn't have the same amount of attention put on the enemies placements at all, feels really messy.
It has all the content, yeah. It is lazy at spots though(seperate ways looks like SHIT).
I forgot how annoying the QTE in RE4 too. This is a textbook example on how not to do QTE. Don't do QTE in the midst of your cut scenes. If it's a cut scene, let me relax and enjoy my cut scene. I don't want to be caught unaware when all of a sudden a QTE prompt happens. If you want to do QTE, make it obvious it'll be QTE section so there's no cheap sudden death because you're unprepared for it.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Great read.
It's almost like they were trying to maintain a tense atmosphere by keeping the players on their guard. The jerks.