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[yurinka]

Potential XB1 and PS4 wouldn't go to WiiU because they already have an HD console (360 and/or PS3).

In any case I'm pretty sure Sony won't implement a DRM outside maybe the typical $10 online pass. And not for all games, only where demanded by the publisher. Like in PS3.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

I sm loling so hard at all the salt this morning.

are people really so thick that they think publishers wouldn't force sony's hand to secure all that revenue?

Sony like money just as much as Ms and have a much greater need fir extra profit... Its a no brainer that they will do the same thing.

 

[ascii42]

Maybe I am crazy, but I don't see why gamers would suddenly flock to Wii U instead of just procuring an imo inevitably cheaper PS3 or X360 or keeping their current generation consoles. Maybe the PC as an alternative, but why the Wii U when it has a much less games than the PS3 and X360, less games to appeal to "casual" gamers, it is seemingly less capable graphically and the online infrastructure is not nearly as strong which is what most casual gamers primarily care about. The only reason I can see are the occasional Nintendo games that trickle out on it.


If third party games start to sell on Wii U, they will support it. As of now, I just think the Nintendo community are not particularly interested in a lot of the games that appeal to PS3 and X360 gamers. Also, if they are going to shower the Wii U with support, wouldn't they just continue to support PS3 and X360 with a much bigger fanbase?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I've already got a PS3 and a 360. There are a few games on the WiiU I'd really like to play, and there will be more soon enough. I haven't bought a WiiU because I intend to buy a PS4 this year, and I don't want to buy two consoles in one year. If Sony does something to make me not want to get a PS4, I will be perfectly happy to pick up a WiiU.

 

[FaceDa]

Also it's hilarious that people think Nintendo is the consumer friendly company.

1) No account system for online purchases. MS, Sony, Steam all do this. If you buy a $50 game on Wii U, sell the Wii U, and buy it again, you don't keep that game. I will never buy a digital Nintendo game because of this.

2) Region Locking. You can't play imports. Sony allows you to play imports on the Vita and PS3. On top of that Nintendo either doesn't localize games outside of NA or the localizations are VERY delayed - in the DS days people would just import to get around that, the 3DS locked out imports.

3) Completely muddled delivery. To play Wii U games, you sometimes need a Wiimote from the first Wii? But it has to be the Motion+ version? But sometimes you can just use the gamepad? Some Wii systems can use gamecube controllers to play Wii games and some can't and there's a new Pro controller that you can also use and what the hell is going on.

4) Consciously keeping system specs low because they can sell hardware at a bigger profit margin. They JUST released an HD system. Seriously.

If they allow used games it's not because they're generous, it's because they haven't caught up to the rest of the world yet.

 

[Amir0x]

That HAS to depress you. At least on SOME level.

Only that it means there'll be a generation of good games inaccessible to me. But I go to the platform that respects me as a consumer, and if the Wii U happens to be the only one doing that anymore, then by default it's my go-to.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

If it turns out that Nintendo told EA and others who demanded this new DRM to go elsewhere, I will love them more. The fact my daughter has her own Mii login on the WiiU and has her own saves and I didn't have to subscribe to a family account from Nintendo for her to play games I downloaded from the eShop is wonderfully refreshing.

 

[FaceDa]

respects me as a consumer

Please see the post directly above yours.

 

[omonimo]

Only that it means there'll be a generation of good games inaccessible to me. But I go to the platform that respects me as a consumer, and if the Wii U happens to be the only one doing that anymore, then by default it's my go-to.

I'm not that sure Wii U is exactly the best example of the respect of a consumer of a company, even with DRM on ps4 or less.

 

[Woffls]

Publishers are still convinced that piracy and used game sales are killing them, so unfortunately Nintendo's positive approach to this problem will gain them nothing.

 

[Amir0x]

I'm not that sure Wii U is exactly the best example of the respect of a consumer of a company, even with DRM on ps4 or less.

It is not the best example, but it is the only example left that would pass my test for acceptable on any level.

 

[Eusis]

And ironically given Nintendo's current BC policies there's more reason to be confident in long term DD ownership. Steam and GOG are reigning champions though.

 

[iratA]

I think once anyone actually tries the wii u for an extended piece of time they fall in love with it. I hope it gets the sales it deserves once the great games come ( even tho I think there's great games already)

Yeah and I think it will pick up. Microsoft is driving away some of their core and depending on what Sony do next, Sony and Nintendo stand to gain some of that fallout. Nintendo have some good hardware and truth be told, I've been one of those fence sitters playing the 'wait and see game' regarding Nintendo's latest. I also suspect I'm not the only one.

Its no secret I love Sony's first Party Studios, but some heavy handed DRM could kill all that. Anti-consumer practices are among my pet hates. The Wii U is fairly priced and just needs a few more killer games to push me over the edge.

 

[shouamabane]

Wii U and Steam are what I have now. I'll give Sony and MS a year to battle it out.

 

[jodzapg]

Digital Rights Management, basically a catchall term for anti piracy methods, namely those software based. Technically the 360 and PS3 already have a form users notice, system activations, but that's reasonable and Games on Demand/XBLIG aside you aren't otherwise restricted. Here the X1 may be dialing back home every 24 hours to be sure you are still the owner as physical games would require activation but can still be traded in, and few LIKE that for a myriad of reasons.

Anyways already have a Wii U due to aging Wii issues, and I'd love to see it take off at the cost of MS/Sony floundering badly if they both ran with the scheme, but I suspect most won't care or will just keep playing hardball. Though then I'd just want obstinate big publishers to suffer doubly so.

thank you for you explanation

 

[Javier]

3) Completely muddled delivery. To play Wii U games, you sometimes need a Wiimote from the first Wii? But it has to be the Motion+ version? But sometimes you can just use the gamepad? Some Wii systems can use gamecube controllers to play Wii games and some can't and there's a new Pro controller that you can also use and what the hell is going on.

Come on, man. With the sole exception of Just Dance 4, (which requires a Wiimote to play and it doesn't have to be M+) every game on the Wii U is playable single-player with the Gamepad. The other controllers exist for different controller options or for local multiplayer, but if you're going to be playing on your own then a Gamepad is all you need.

I can understand some of the complaints against the Wii U, but this is just reaching too much.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

The WiiU situation won't change until Nintendo does something, people will not flock to it.

I don't think that the DRM stuff will have as big an impact as people are expecting.

Potential XB1 and PS4 wouldn't go to WiiU because they already have an HD console (360 and/or PS3).

In any case I'm pretty sure Sony won't implement a DRM outside maybe the typical $10 online pass. And not for all games, only where demanded by the publisher. Like in PS3.

So Sony themselves will do it for their first party games?

 

[FaceDa]

Come on, man. With the sole exception of Just Dance 4, (which requires a Wiimote to play and it doesn't have to be M+) every game on the Wii U is playable single-player with the Gamepad. The other controllers exist for different controller options or for local multiplayer, but if you're going to be playing on your own then a Gamepad is all you need.

I can understand some of the complaints against the Wii U, but this is just reaching too much.

I honestly don't even know! I keep hearing conflicting reports. I have a Wii and a bunch of Wiimotes but none are M+, and someone told me they won't work for New Super Mario Bros U unless they are M+ from this experience. They really haven't done the greatest job explaining all this stuff.

I know about Single Player, but for me Nintendo consoles have always been about the multiplayer since the N64. On the Wii I had 4 GC controllers, 4 Wiimotes, 4 Nunchuks just because different games needed different setups (and playing Smash bros with a Wii controller is sacrilege). I know I can't use the GC controllers anymore, and I have no idea on the rest of it.

 

[Javier]

I honestly don't even know! I keep hearing conflicting reports. I have a Wii and a bunch of Wiimotes but none are M+, and someone told me they won't work for New Super Mario Bros U unless they are M+ from this experience. They really haven't done the greatest job explaining all this stuff.

I know about Single Player, but for me Nintendo consoles have always been about the multiplayer since the N64. On the Wii I had 4 GC controllers, 4 Wiimotes, 4 Nunchuks just because different games needed different setups (and playing Smash bros with a Wii controller is sacrilege). I know I can't use the GC controllers anymore, and I have no idea on the rest of it.

If a games requires M+, it's noted on the box. There are a few ambiguous cases like Nintendo Land, which requires M+ for Zelda multiplayer, but Mario Chase can be played with normal Wiimotes.

NSMBU can definitely be played with normal Wiimotes.

 

[-PXG-]

None of that will make a difference.

Lower the price, release compelling games and advertise. It works EVERY time.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

I'd rather have the DRM than a Wii U.

Reminds me of Dave Chappelle's bit on R Kelly.

 

[Oersted]

Also it's hilarious that people think Nintendo is the consumer friendly company.

1) No account system for online purchases. MS, Sony, Steam all do this. If you buy a $50 game on Wii U, sell the Wii U, and buy it again, you don't keep that game. I will never buy a digital Nintendo game because of this.

2) Region Locking. You can't play imports. Sony allows you to play imports on the Vita and PS3. On top of that Nintendo either doesn't localize games outside of NA or the localizations are VERY delayed - in the DS days people would just import to get around that, the 3DS locked out imports.

3) Completely muddled delivery. To play Wii U games, you sometimes need a Wiimote from the first Wii? But it has to be the Motion+ version? But sometimes you can just use the gamepad? Some Wii systems can use gamecube controllers to play Wii games and some can't and there's a new Pro controller that you can also use and what the hell is going on.

4) Consciously keeping system specs low because they can sell hardware at a bigger profit margin. They JUST released an HD system. Seriously.

If they allow used games it's not because they're generous, it's because they haven't caught up to the rest of the world yet.

1) True. But you can sell your console with those installed games or transfer them. Also BC.

2) True again, even though PSN downloads are more and more locked out and more and more gets localized on Nintendo consoles. But please be honest, how many completely japanese games did you ever import?

3) Gamepad is the standard controller. Wiimotion Plus is additional. Not that hard to get.

4) Higher specs: Advantage: Possibility of better looking games.
Disadvantage: One fail kills a studio way faster.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

It can't make it sell less, that's for sure.

Oh but you never know lol

It won't have any effect on WiiU as that platform is already stagnant

I'd rather have the DRM than a Wii U.

Reminds me of Dave Chappelle's bit on R Kelly.

With the amount of games coming to PS4, I can't disagree. Hopefully Sony is listening to the campaign we have started on GAF about no DRM on PS4.