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If Smash 4 Gets DLC Characters Beyond Mewtwo, Do You Think Sakurai Will Be Involved?

King K. Rool is in the biggest Donkey Kong game on a console. Not just DKC, but anything titled Donkey Kong. My King isn't irrelevant, he is legendary.
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena, rosalina and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy. Dont forget everyones favorite pokemon Greninja, mewtwo is old news.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"


Did I mention everybody in this game has a freakin counter b down.
 
I hope so, if only so someone at Namco can sneak a hazard switch screen into the game while he's not looking
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"
- Japan asked for Dark Pit, & was among the Top 20.
- Believe it or not, Robin & Shulk were asked for by a lot of people (more so Shulk, Robin was 3rd to Chrom & Lucina). As was Villager, but many assumed he wouldn't get in due to him being a user-created character (same for Robin, but at least Robin has a default appearance).
- Palutena & Lucina were heavily asked for.

Not to mention that we got other fan requests like Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mega Man, & soon Mewtwo.
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"

It's gotta be exhausting being so cartoonishly jaded all of the time.
 
- Japan asked for Dark Pit, & was among the Top 20.
- Believe it or not, Robin & Shulk were asked for by a lot of people (more so Shulk, Robin was 3rd to Chrom & Lucina). As was Villager, but many assumed he wouldn't get in due to him being a user-created character (same for Robin, but at least Robin has a default appearance).
- Palutena & Lucina were heavily asked for.

Not to mention that we got other fan requests like Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mega Man, & soon Mewtwo.
Dark Pit might have been top 20 in some magazine but thats it, he actually is pretty universally unwanted. Palutena was relatively asked for but relatively unknown to the general public and chrom was wanted more than lucina, either way fire emblem characters werent as largely wanted as some others.

Alot of popular characters were ignored or cut, I do like your bottom row though they were good picks, mewtwo should have been in from the get go instead of random water pokemon starter.

It's gotta be exhausting being so cartoonishly jaded all of the time.

It is. I used to love smash once but all it did make me bitter when I was burned, at least where smash is concerned. At least Pacman and Megaman are interesting.
 
Brawl and Smash 4 are pretty interesting to me as a comparison. Brawl added a lot of characters people asked for, but it contributed to fewer surprises and often resulted in less interesting movesets. Whereas Smash 4 added a lot of unexpected or less-requested characters, but they all usually had a really interesting moveset (though I found a fair few of the movesets to be not as fun as I'd hoped).
 
It's not just Mewtwo as a character, they also have to....

- Incorporate Mewtwo into the other modes (Classic, All-Star, Special Orders, etc.)
- Give Mewtwo 8 custom moves on top of his 4 defaults
- Make Mewtwo's 3 trophies (regular, alt, & Final Smash)
- Get the Kid Icarus Uprising cast to do a Palutena's Guidance for Mewtwo
- Finish Tournament Mode
- Finish the Miiverse stage
- Finish the sharing feature for Miis, Custom Stages, & Pictures
- Finish Online Tourneys (basically this game's lobby system, along the lines of Mario Kart 8)

Sakurai & the Bandai Namco team he & Nintendo contracted have quite a lot of work in front of them, which may justify the long wait.

I'm not talking about the amount of work, I'm talking about the investment. Nintendo wasn't forced to promise Tournament Mode, Miiverse Stage and all of that. It's clear they are spending (probably lots of) money in all this post release support, especially since the game is developed by a completely external team. That's why I believe it'd make sense for Nintendo to try and get the most return possible on all that spent money.

EDIT: Why do people still respond to that guy haha. Such topic derailing should be punished IMO.
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"

Lol, easy pardner, slow down on the salt. Duck hunt, Bowser Jr., Pacman, Rosalina, and Megaman all say hi. There is still room for quirky, alternative characters in smash.
 
Lol, easy pardner, slow down on the salt. Duck hunt, Bowser Jr., Pacman, Rosalina, and Megaman all say hi. There is still room for quirky, alternative characters in smash.

The salt is eternal.

Brawl and Smash 4 are pretty interesting to me as a comparison. Brawl added a lot of characters people asked for, but it contributed to fewer surprises and often resulted in less interesting movesets. Whereas Smash 4 added a lot of unexpected or less-requested characters, but they all usually had a really interesting moveset (though I found a fair few of the movesets to be not as fun as I'd hoped).

Palutena, Mii Fighters, Wii Fit Trainer and Robin come to mind when it comes to how they feel. I may hate them as characters but I thought their movesets could be fun but they dont feel impactful at all.
 
Dark Pit might have been top 20 in some magazine but thats it, he actually is pretty universally unwanted. Palutena was relatively asked for but relatively unknown to the general public and chrom was wanted more than lucina, either way fire emblem characters werent as largely wanted as some others.

Alot of popular characters were ignored or cut, I do like your bottom row though they were good picks, mewtwo should have been in from the get go instead of random water pokemon starter.



It is. I used to love smash once but all it did make me bitter when I was burned, at least where smash is concerned. At least Pacman and Megaman are interesting.
We needed a Gen 6 (Kalos) rep, & Greninja was the most popular starter. Plus Chrom was considered & swapped for Robin, so it's not like it was Lucina's fault that Chrom isn't in.
 
I'm not talking about the amount of work, I'm talking about the investment. Nintendo wasn't forced to promise Tournament Mode, Miiverse Stage and all of that. It's clear they are spending (probably lots of) money in all this post release support, especially since the game is developed by a completely external team. That's why I believe it'd make sense for Nintendo to try and get the most return possible on all that spent money.

EDIT: Why do people still respond to that guy haha. Such topic derailing should be punished IMO.
They probably have a somewhat smaller team to accommodate if that really is all we're getting. If the developer count is close to that of the base game, we're definitely getting more.

Unfortunately, we don't have access to those numbers.
 
We needed a Gen 6 (Kalos) rep, & Greninja was the most popular starter. Plus Chrom was considered & swapped for Robin, so it's not like it was Lucina's fault that Chrom isn't in.

You know Sakurai picked Greninja basically at random right? he had a choice of the Gen 6 starters and he happened to choose Greninja. Also Im not defending chrom I think robin was the better choice of the two.

Also Gen 6 didnt need a rep just like Gen 3 or Gen 5, if anything they could have updated older characters like Jiggily to rep Gen 6 with fairies and mega evos (instead of final smash crud.)
 
You know Sakurai picked Greninja basically at random right? Also Im not defending chrom I think robin was the better choice of the two.
Still, we needed a Gen 6 rep. And Game Freak basically gave Sakurai concept art of Greninja (I have a gut feeling that GF knew Greninja was gonna be popular).
 
Dark Pit was never heavily requested. He briefly appeared in some popularity poll in a Japanese magazine like a week after Uprising was released. Lucina wasn't requested either, but that's because everybody assumed that Chrom would be playable. I mean, I'm not mad over their inclusion, since they didn't take much effort to add, but let's not start revising history and pretending that Sakurai added them due to the overwhelming fan demand. Characters from recently released games will always have a spike in popularity. What matters more is checking their popularity after that period subsides. You know, like a certain mentally unstable reptile who is still popular despite not having a prominent role in years. The original Donkey Kong Country is still the best selling game in the series by far. I think that's worth something.

Honestly, hasn't King K. Rool been somewhat well-requested across all regions?

The most requested newcomers in North America were Mega Man, Little Mac, Ridley, and King K. Rool. The most requested newcomers in Japan were Mega Man, Shulk, Palutena, and King K. Rool. Ridley will never be playable, leaving K. Rool as the only character unaccounted for. In fact, this correlates beautifully with that recently conducted Japanese poll, which has K. Rool and the cut veterans on top. Many K. Rool supporters started supporting Dixie instead after she was revealed to be a playable character in Tropical Freeze, though I think both characters deserve to be playable at this point. As much as I hate to admit it, it's obvious that K. Rool wasn't given priority due to the fact that he hasn't had a major role in years. What makes me happy, however, is knowing that Michael Kelbaugh is following the Kremling Kampaign on Twitter. I think we may see another Donkey Kong Country game sooner than people think.
 
I'm pretty sure Lucina was requested by Japanese fans, or expected as a Marth alt at least. I think Chrom was more "expected" rather than requested.

And man, Magnes' posts just reeks of GameFAQS. =_=
 
I really hate marketing affecting my games.

To be fair, it could have been a lot worse. I wasn't particularly fond of Greninja's inclusion either, but at least he brings something unique to the table. If you think this is bad, go play PlayStation All-Stars. Instead of celebrating Sony's vast history, they just added a bunch of characters from recently released (or in Raiden's case, unreleased) games and called it a day. Literally all I want is K. Rool and I will never post in another roster speculation thread ever again. Maybe with a dish of Tingle, Inkling, and Rayman on the side.
 
To be fair, it could have been a lot worse. I wasn't particularly fond of Greninja's inclusion either, but at least he brings something unique to the table. If you think this is bad, go play PlayStation All-Stars. Instead of celebrating Sony's vast history, they just added a bunch of characters from recently released (or in Raiden's case, unreleased) games and called it a day. Literally all I want is K. Rool and I will never post in another roster speculation thread ever again. Maybe with a dish of Tingle, Inkling, and Rayman on the side.

Im done with roster speculation, its unhealthy and pointless when certain people are at the helm.
 
To be fair, it could have been a lot worse. I wasn't particularly fond of Greninja's inclusion either, but at least he brings something unique to the table. If you think this is bad, go play PlayStation All-Stars. Instead of celebrating Sony's vast history, they just added a bunch of characters from recently released (or in Raiden's case, unreleased) games and called it a day. Literally all I want is K. Rool and I will never post in another roster speculation thread ever again. Maybe with a dish of Tingle, Inkling, and Rayman on the side.

For me, the roster needs Dixie Kong, Tingle, Captain Syrup, Inkling, an Advance Wars rep, and a Rhythm Heaven rep. That's when I'll be done caring
 
I just need my Rhythm Heaven rep & I won't care who else is added. Hence why I hope that the Chorus Kids are finished up & released as DLC along with their stage.
 
Captain Syrup!? Sakurai won't even acknowledge Wario Land's existence, let alone add a character from it. Let's not get greedy. Although, we are talking about Wario, after all. :P

Funny how the only bit of Wario Land representation, Shake It's Ruins song, was -already- featured in Brawl in some way (making up Wario's theme tune, two years before Shake It released).

I still wonder why the hell we didn't get the new Ashley arrangement.
 
+1 for Captain Syrup

-1,000,000 for the removal of Wario's shoulder barge


I still haven't adjusted. Wario totally needed more punches instead...
 
Captain Syrup!? Sakurai won't even acknowledge Wario Land's existence, let alone add a character from it. Let's not get greedy. Although, we are talking about Wario, after all. :P

Hey, I NEVER said that I was going to be done caring soon. :P

+1 for Captain Syrup

-1,000,000 for the removal of Wario's shoulder barge


I still haven't adjusted. Wario totally needed more punches instead...

Yup. If they really can't stand to give me any other characters from Wario Land, at least give me a Wario based on Ware and one based on Land.
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"

Lol guess your not feeling it.
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Wario Land doesnt exist anymore forget the Good times and remember Mini Games!

I like WarioWare too, y'know. I just wish Wario's moveset was representative of both franchises, not one or the other. I also wish that you would stop trolling this thread. I'm supposed to be the obnoxious K. Rool fan, not you.
 
Honestly, hasn't King K. Rool been somewhat well-requested across all regions?

He has. I really like K. Rool and would to have him in the game. I think what holds K. Rool back if for some reason Retro refuses to use the character. That, and Dixie Kong still isn't in the game. She deserves the spot over K. Rool easily.
 
I like WarioWare too, y'know. I just wish Wario's moveset was representative of both franchises, not one or the other. I also wish that you would stop trolling this thread. I'm supposed to be the obnoxious K. Rool fan, not you.

TBH, I felt that his WarioWare representation was pretty lacking too. It just felt like Sakurai took a mold of Wario and then added things that could fit the character. Wario doesn't really fart or ride a motorcycle as part of his gameplay, but it makes sense thematically. I want him to pull shit directly from microgames - shooting out flying noses and shit.
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena, rosalina and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy. Dont forget everyones favorite pokemon Greninja, mewtwo is old news.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.

"Blows brains out"


Did I mention everybody in this game has a freakin counter b down.
Oh right

I remember Smash threads

*leaves*
 
Cmon, we DID just get Shake It!, and it was awesome. The game also sold more than 1 million copies, so we could very reasonably see a sequel in the future.

I actually really love the Wario land games (2 is my fav.) I need to play shake it, I have it but havent got around to it, heard it was good but short, Im glad some people actually bought it (I thought nobody would :( ). Just imagine if we got a Wario Land 3ds game. My mind would be in pieces.

Lol guess your not feeling it.
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Sadly no but Ive warmed up to shulk simply for his hilarious voice acting.
 
TBH, I felt that his WarioWare representation was pretty lacking too. It just felt like Sakurai took a mold of Wario and then added things that could fit the character. Wario doesn't really fart or ride a motorcycle as part of his gameplay, but it makes sense thematically. I want him to pull shit directly from microgames - shooting out flying noses and shit.

Yep, exactly. Wario's Smash incarnation doesn't even represent WarioWare properly. It's just a random assortment of punches and kicks that could be given to any character. However, the bike is one of my favorite moves in the game and I hope they never get rid of it.
 
Yep, exactly. Wario's Smash incarnation doesn't even represent WarioWare properly. It's just a random assortment of punches and kicks that could be given to any character. However, the bike is one of my favorite moves in the game and I hope they never get rid of it.

Oh sure, the bike's neat, all I'm sayin' is that it doesn't do the best job of repping him.

What they SHOULD have done is this: Bike Side B, Shoulder Charge custom Side B, and hot dog car Custom Side B. Wario would gain health from eating it.
 
I like Greninja and was pleasantly surprised to see him get into Smash. When playing Pokemon X, I kept thinking he'd work nicely in Smash, but was too new so I gave up thinking about it.
Also his trailer had Charizard hype in it, a character I thought was sure to be cut while watching the direct, but who made an appearance in an amazing video. He's my favorite Pokemon and was one of my favorite Brawl characters except I couldn't play him much because of his stupid switch gimmick.
Greninja is ok in my book.


In my headcanon the Wario Bike reps Mario Kart Wii, since I saw it in that game first lol. So it works fine for me!


But anyway, wouldn't it be easier to work on, playtest, etc more than one DLC character at a time? Seems kind of silly to bring in the KI actors twice, playtest twice, translate twice, and so on when that could be consolidated into one session.

Unless they recorded KI lines for a bunch of potential DLC ahead of time, which seems possible. The voice actors must have been in relatively recently because of some of the lines Dark Pit has which I'm not entirely sure existed before he was a character (as there wouldn't have been a reason for an alt costume to have them).

The KIU thing actually isn't necessary. People, in the game's coding, found a generic conversation that didn't refer to any character, and implied that they were from another dimension, which could easily be used for all of the DLC characters.

Ugh, this would seem so sloppy. If the DLC characters aren't 100% integrated into the game as if they were stock, might as well not even bother making DLC characters if they're half assed. It even bothers me Miis aren't in All Star (there's no reason they can't be...)
 
Greninja actually is really popular now even before smash.

Sakurai has a good pokemon eye

Plusle/Minun wouldn't have went anywhere if they were added, not terribly popular. Pichu over Raichu was a dud as well (Raichu would have very likely still been in the series and Falco styled de-cloned by now). Imagine if Smash 4 came out earlier and he picked Zoroark as a B/W rep, what a dud that would have been, since he bombed as a "hyped" Pokemon.

But Greninja is kind of obviously, don't you think? A ninja frog that throws shurikans made of water and has a black alt color seems perfect for being popular.
 
Wario doesn't really fart or ride a motorcycle as part of his gameplay, but it makes sense thematically. I want him to pull shit directly from microgames - shooting out flying noses and shit.
There are at least two or three microgames where Wario rides his motorcycle, and he rides it constantly in cutscenes. It's honestly the most fitting WarioWare reference he could possibly have in his moveset.

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I really hate marketing affecting my games.
You must loathe Melee. Roy is the most blatant advertisement in series history.
 
I really hate marketing affecting my games.

Eh, it'd be pretty odd to have no characters from X/Y in the game. They also went with a starter rather than a random hyped up Pokemon this time, so even if he hadn't turn out to be popular, Greninja still would be relevant.
 
He's not marketable, it doesnt matter if your an all star in this smash, all it takes is for you to be new so you can be marketed to by nintendo. Such all stars like dark pit, avatar robin, avatar wii fit trainer, avatar villager and avatar miis make this the best smash yet. Oh yea cant forget your anime internet waifu's palutena, rosalina and lucina, 14 years olds everywhere are stiff for this game, even a blank manikin can be made sexy. Dont forget everyones favorite pokemon Greninja, mewtwo is old news.
Dark pit is sakurai. Robin and lucina are fe characters and from the last game. You know that one so popular fire emblem still exists. They are important. Greninja is a new popular poke sakurai has good eye for pokemon.palutena is sakurai. Rosalina shadow the hedgehoged her way in ei being so popular she has now in many ways taken presidence over old dudes.also animal crossing is popular.also wii fit sold more than everything you like probably also wii sports.

Funny talking animals is so 90's now its all about anime boys and their swords or customizing a character to look like you.
People like different shit as time goes on yes.
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Did I mention everybody in this game has a freakin counter b down.
Ehhh
Wario Land doesnt exist anymore forget the Good times and remember Mini Games!
They were good times for someone.

I really hate marketing affecting my games.
News flash, going to blow your mind.

Everything in a crossover fighting game or anything rather IS MARKETING.ALL OF IT.And as artistic as some may be,its to get new eyes on products brands and characters whilst creating an event product for you to buy. Thats the point they want your now money and your future money they are a business.You thought they put rocket racoon,iron fist and nova in ultimate marvel 3 for shits and giggles? No its to plant seeds of interest for future products.

Come to terms with that.
 
Eh, it'd be pretty odd to have no characters from X/Y in the game. They also went with a starter rather than a random hyped up Pokemon this time, so even if he hadn't turn out to be popular, Greninja still would be relevant.

Honestly, Pokemon should have one character from every gen, and a few bonus ones like Jiggly and Mewtwo. And of course Pikachu to rep the entire series.

1st - Charizard
2nd - Pichu (lol)
3rd - Blaziken
4th - Lucario
5th - ???
6th - Greninja

Blaziken was robbed dammit. If there ever was a glaring omission from the Pokemon series in Smash, it's Blaziken. Really the entire 2nd and 3rd gens are ignored in Smash :/
Seriously, Blaziken could even just be a Captain Falcon clone. It totally works too. Focus Punch, Sky Uppercut, Fire Punch and Blaze Kick. Just add Blaziken you losers >:(
 
News flash, going to blow your mind.

Everything in a crossover fighting game or anything rather IS MARKETING.ALL OF IT.And as artistic as some may be,its to get new eyes on products brands and characters whilst creating an event product for you to buy. Thats the point they want your now money and your future money they are a business.You thought they put rocket racoon,iron fist and nova in ultimate marvel 3 for shits and giggles? No its to plant seeds of interest for future products.

Come to terms with that.

I know that this markets all of nintendo's franchises its the ones that are trying to sell newer games that arent really important to nintendo that are being shoehorned in that bother me. It was in every smash before but at max was just a couple characters, in this one there are a ton of fighters just put in to market their new games.

There are at least two or three microgames where Wario rides his motorcycle, and he rides it constantly in cutscenes. It's honestly the most fitting WarioWare reference he could possibly have in his moveset.

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You must loathe Melee. Roy is the most blatant advertisement in series history.

I was too young to hate roy honestly, marketing was a even close to being thought of by me back then. But yeah it was pretty lame now that Im older.
 
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