And they sure as shit didn't go out of their way to prevent his gaining of a platform either, though they were fully capable of depriving the bigot of one. I mean, wouldn't you deprive a bigot of their potential platform if you had the ability? Their indifference is an indictment in and of itself.
And you still haven't commented on Mecha the Slag and how much of a pile of garbage he is.....
Hat is probably the better game, but I'd buy the one that had the balls to remove JonTron.
Should've seen the JonTron commentary coming.
I don't support JonTron, his beliefs, or anything that he stands for, but a game for gamings sake is what I primarily care about. I know the team that made AHiT was small and couldn't properly handle that whole situation, but I'm sure that the dev team doesn't share the same morals and beliefs as him.
Let's keep it at gameplay, mechanics, length of game, value of dollar spent etc.
I'm getting a lot of YL support because of JonTron hate but I'm also getting AHiT support because the game is apparently better. I'm still at square one here guys
Waypoint said:"I think it's safe to say I went into A Hat in Time cautiously. I was burned pretty badly by another recent 3D platformer, Yooka-Laylee, a game that looked wonderful and sounded even better, but fundamentally misunderstood what was amazing about its inspiration (clever level design and a fun moveset). A Hat in Time looks more modest, but does so much more with its gameplay." [READ MORE]
Metro said:"2017 has been a great year for video games, but naturally there's still been some disappointments. Mass Effect: Andromeda is the most obvious one, but even though we seemed to like it more than most the one that really upset us was Yooka-Laylee. Andromeda looked awful almost from the first moment, but we genuinely thought Yooka-Laylee was going to usher in a new wave of retro 3D platformers. It wasn't good enough to have that much influence, but A Hat In Time just might be...
Each [level] manages to outdo the next in terms of unique ideas and basic competency, and you can almost feel them refining their skills at the same time as you explore their creations. And while it's true the platforming itself never has quite the same tactile feel as a Super Mario game it's definitely more satisfying than Yooka-Laylee ... while we're sure [Super Mario Odyssey will] end up being the best 3D platformer of the year this will run it a surprisingly close second." [READ MORE]
Honest and in no way sarcastic question, do you always read the history of every developer of every game that picks your interest?
Basically every page in Yooka Laylee's forum is infected with talks about the fucker. And you know the worst part? There's a fucking containment thread with over 6000 posts where alt-right fuckwits continue to discuss, defend and argue about all the shit JonTron has said without getting a ban.
So far, anger and upset over JonTron has managed to derail nearly every single thread about this game and has detracted from people's ability to discuss it. Two threads ended up getting locked because of personal attacks over JonTron's involvement. So if what you're looking for is an actually good game, then don't let (overblown) moral outrage sway you.
If you want a good game, then go for A Hat in Time. Modding support is also coming pretty soon so you'll have people making endless content for it.
A videogame where has throaway lines is not a "platform". And removing it is not exactly something you can do without negative effects, possibly extremely negative.
Yes, Mecha the Slag was an asshole years ago in the TF2 modding community. He didn't make A Hat in Time alone though.
Also, if anything, we've seen that removing him has the effect of give him and his shithead fans a bigger, not smaller platform.
Look at Hat in Time and Yooka-Laylee Steam forums. Look at their Steam reviews. Look at what all the Youtube videos about each one are talking about.
There's almost no talk about Jon on Hat in Time's forum. You have to dig deep a shitload of pages in to get even a mention of him.
Basically every page in Yooka Laylee's forum is infected with talks about the fucker. And you know the worst part? There's a fucking containment thread with over 6000 posts where alt-right fuckwits continue to discuss, defend and argue about all the shit JonTron has said without getting a ban.
First one got it.
But IMO none of them are worthy of my money.
I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound and that this tactic of ignoring racist shitheads like Jontron has never worked and never will.
what a game need to be worthy of your money ??
Somehow, I'm not surprised to hear the lead dev of A Hat in Time is still an awful person to work for. He never really apologized for the theft and slander towards Max. He just slid it under the rug, which is never a good sign. It might just be an aside on Max's part, but I'm fully willing to believe that he still acts that way. All that said, I do hope people come out if there was any foul-play during Hat in Time development on Jonas's part. I understand if they choose not to, because of likely harassment, but if this guy still takes advantage of those who assist on his projects, it needs to be known.Maxof2D has distanced himself from that original 2015 response so I dont know why you're quoting it
edit- just noticed its cus that link goes to the original response and not the recent one he made on twitter like i assumed
I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound and that this tactic of ignoring racist shitheads like Jontron has never worked and never will.
I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound and that this tactic of ignoring racist shitheads like Jontron has never worked and never will.
Isn't Playtonic ignoring it in that case of the forum as well by letting the people defending Jontron freely air their opinion.
I don't really like Hat's art direction and visuals. Yooka looks much better for me. I also loved the game but i haven't played Hat yet to make a comparison in gameplay.
did jontron get paid to be in a hat in time?
did jontron get paid to be in a hat in time?
Posters in other threads have stated that JonTron paid to be in the game. If that is the case, removing him would likely legally require them to refund him, thus paying him money for his racist beliefs.
I dont think thats how refunds work but ok
Not sure what you mean? If he paid to be in the game, and if they remove him, then he wouldn't be getting the service he paid for. They'd need to make it right by refunding him the money he paid. I think that's pretty much the basics of contract law, but correct me if I'm wrong.
...And the reason that happened in the first place is because people shit it up because they removed his voice. I mean, this itself kind of proves the difference, yes? That removing a voice is a one-and-done action, but moderating a forum like that requires 24/7 attention? That Steam doesn't help with whatsoever and expects devs to do completely on their own time?Isn't Playtonic ignoring it in that case of the forum as well by letting the people defending Jontron freely air their opinion?
they are not paying for his beliefs, they are refunding him and his baggage.
did jontron get paid to be in a hat in time?
I showed you the very verifiable difference between the forums and where actual "platforming" existed. Removing him from the game actually increased his platforming. Removing him from the game has exposed more people to him and his shitty ideas, not less.
Every single person that buys Yooka Laylee and decides to check the forum for whatever reason will be faced by the very first, pinned thread, with 6000 goddamn posts filled with the brim with mostly hate speech.
People that buy A Hat in Time won't find that on the forums, and they sure as hell won't will magically be attracted to that one unremarkable shitty voice actor they heard spew two irrelevant lines during their playthrough. They won't even remember it, much less have any urge to know who did those lines.
Good lord this fucking logic.Sure, but effectively, he'd be profiting because of his beliefs.
If they don't remove him for the racist things he said, he makes no money.
If they do remove him for the racist things he said, he makes money.
So, not removing him would be the way to go if you don't want him to make money as a direct result of the things he said.
Isn't Playtonic ignoring it in that case of the forum as well by letting the people defending Jontron freely air their opinion?
Hey Community,
Were creating this thread as a place to consolidate all discussion regarding the recent statement regarding voice actor JonTron.
Please note that, as is typical on a public discussion forum, we do not welcome messages containing:
Racist, Homophobic and Sexist language.
Attacking other forum users and/or the moderation team.
Use of offensive language.
Off topic conversation.
Spam.
If you behave or display any of the above behaviours then moderation will occur.
The official statement from Team17 & Playtonic can be read here.[www.gamesindustry.biz]
Just to highlight some points to avoid confusion:
JonTron was never employed or contracted by Playtonic or Team17.
No money was exchanged, in either direction, for JonTron's voice to be in the game.
It was a voluntary thing, for fun.
Yes, he was voicing the groans of a character trying to squeeze out a stubborn poo.
To aid in de-cluttering the forums any other JonTron discussions will be locked and conversation directed to this one.
...And the reason that happened in the first place is because people shit it up because they removed his voice. I mean, this itself kind of proves the difference, yes? That removing a voice is a one-and-done action, but moderating a forum like that requires 24/7 attention? That Steam doesn't help with whatsoever and expects devs to do completely on their own time?
Like, if that's still nothing, then what does that make Gears for Breakfast, since they can't even remove his voice in the first place? Less than nothing? Not sure what point you're making here, since either way it still results in Gears for Breakfast coming off worse since they still can't even take that first step. That they can't even do the easy part, or even something like writing a PR piece or anything, nevermind cleaning up the mess on the Steam forum that would result. This lame attempt at a gotcha makes no sense, since the effort required by the two tasks is nowhere close to equal (which Playtonic themselves proves, doing one but not the other). Like.. what?
Good lord this fucking logic.
Not to mention, isn't Youtube giving JonTron a platform by allowing him to continue getting millions of views on their site and rake in ad revenue? I'm sure everyone's Youtube boycotts are going well.