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If you don't like current Konami, you SHOULD buy MGSV

If it sells millions, they will just be happy that they survived putting all their money into another metal gear game. Then, they'll vow to never let the production of one get that out of hand again...well, i guess they've already done that.
 
There's no way I'm boycotting MGSV... I want to play this game so much. That said, it's probably the last Konami game i'll ever buy.

I'm buying it for Kojima Production, basically, even it's it's no longer in existence by all accounts !
 
Haunted said:
Absolutely.

You're also supporting Konami and the way they have conducted themselves during the last couple months, including the treatment of their employees, Kojima Productions and Kojima.


I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it.

I'm saying that by buying the game you're directly giving Konami the thumbs up, telling them in the most direct way that is available to you as a consumer that they did the right thing.
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If that's what it takes to give the thumbs up to Kojima... then so be it. I'm not supporting Konami's behavior by doing it though.
 
Haunted said:
Absolutely.

You're also supporting Konami and the way they have conducted themselves during the last couple months, including the treatment of their employees, Kojima Productions and Kojima.
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Sometimes one has to go with the lesser evil, I agree the situation is (far) less than ideal. But if given the choice to buy Kojima's last MGS or to boycott it and watch it burn just to teach Konami a lesson, then it's an easy choice. I want MGSV to be massive, so massive it will overshadow the earnings of all their crappy mobile/social games. So that they'll start to worry about firing Kojima, drop on their knees and beg him to come back, only so Kojima can have the last laugh and become massively successful with another publisher.
 
Let's see those boycotts after the oh so sweet 10/10's start hitting with tags like "swan song master fucking piece yo". Unless there's a concerted effort by publications and reviewers to push a boycott, it will achieve pretty much fuck all.
 
RangerBAD said:
If that's what it takes to give the thumbs up to Kojima... then so be it.
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Raven Prime said:
Sometimes one has to go with the lesser evil, I agree the situation is (far) less than ideal. But if given the choice to buy Kojima's last MGS or to boycott it and watch it burn just to teach Konami a lesson, then it's an easy choice.
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That's the correct mindset to have. Choose what's more important to you, what you want to prioritise. Just be aware of your actions and how those actions will be perceived by Konami.

RangerBAD said:
I'm not supporting Konami's behavior by doing it though.
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Well, you are. Monetarily, even. Kojima doesn't get a cent whether MGSV sells 10 copies or 100 million copies. Konami gets your money.
 
God you can't even tell it used to be a horse anymore

Konami the game developer is dead
RIP

All we can do is hope they get good developers to make games using their IP
 
TheOhrenberger. said:
For real though. There is no boycott to speak of.
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Yeah I think it's a misuse of the word. Not once since I stated I'm done with Konami have I mentioned I'm doing so in protest, nor have I urged anyone not to buy a game for the purpose of seeking change. I'm of the opinion that Konami ALWAYS feels justified in their actions regardless of what happens.


Edit: Earlier when the Nikkei reports came out I had the opinion that not buying the game would send a stronger message, but since then I just feel like this company lives in an echo chamber.
 
Haunted said:
That's the correct mindset to have. Choose what's more important to you, what you want to prioritise. Just be aware of your actions and how those actions will be perceived by Konami.


Well, you are. Monetarily, even. Kojima doesn't get a cent whether MGSV sells 10 copies or 100 million copies. Konami gets your money.
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I may not monetarily support Kojima this way, but I am supporting him. Of course I do want to play the game the day it comes out and I also like to own used games.

Ryuuga said:
Yeah I think it's a misuse of the word. Not once since I stated I'm done with Konami have I mentioned I'm doing so in protest nor have I urged anyone not to buy a game for the purpose of seeking change. I'm of the opinion that Konami ALWAYS feels justified in their actions regardless of what happens.
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I think this shift will continue and stay in place no matter how the game sells. Konami higher ups will feel vindicated either way. Boycotts are to create a change, not buying this game/buying it used will do nothing to the big picture in Konami. It's just your own ego and what makes you feel validated.
 
I'll be buying it regardless, simply because of my respect for Kojima. He worked for the game, and regardless of what happened between him and Konami, this game is his work and i want to play what he had in store for us. After that I will turn my back to Konami.
 
I like to buy games that I think will be enjoyable regardless of whatever reality show-esque drama is going on behind the scenes that doesn't directly affect me. If someone else wants to inject some other criteria into their buying habits that's their business I guess.
 
RangerBAD said:
Boycotts are to create a change, not buying this game/buying it used will do nothing to the big picture in Konami. It's just your own ego and what makes you feel validated.
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Except I'm not boycotting the game, nor am I looking for validation. I simply don't wish to support the company. The thread itself was made with a pretense that a boycott was happening to seek change or send a message. I think this "sending a message" ideal is naive now that I've had more time to think about the events, regardless of what side of the fence people are on.
 
Raven Prime said:
Sometimes one has to go with the lesser evil, I agree the situation is (far) less than ideal. But if given the choice to buy Kojima's last MGS or to boycott it and watch it burn just to teach Konami a lesson, then it's an easy choice. I want MGSV to be massive, so massive it will overshadow the earnings of all their crappy mobile/social games. So that they'll start to worry about firing Kojima, drop on their knees and beg him to come back, only so Kojima can have the last laugh and become massively successful with another publisher.
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WHich isn't going to happen.
 
Ralemont said:
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?

boycottmw2.jpg
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Please explain one how a screenshot of one page of a public group that anyone could join proves something?

The facts are that CoD did go back to using dedicated servers after the outrcy over their removal in MW2.

http://www.themodernwarfare3.com/ne...rn-warfare-3-to-have-dedicated-servers-on-pc/
 
MGSV is a huge success, MGSVI bombs. Not really hard to imagine. But then, most people don't care or know who Kojima is. GAF does, average Joe doesn't.
 
I'm guessing the sales figures for Phantom Pain will mean more to Kojima than Konami, because he will use them to convince his next publisher to back his projects.

Also it's about time we had a poll on this phantom boycott, because I don't see much evidence of it being an actual thing.
 
Pinko Marx said:
WHich isn't going to happen.
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Probably not, but one can dream. The bottomline however is that regardless if MGSV is a success or failure, it's not going to impact Kojima and his team too much. But if it's a success it will at least give credit to all their effort. As a MGS fan I really want to experience their final masterpiece ASAP and support their creative vision by helping make MGSV a success. I wish I could do that without supporting Konami at the same time, but alas it is what it is.
 
Ryuuga said:
Except I'm not boycotting the game, nor am I looking for validation. I simply don't wish to support the company. The thread itself was made with a pretense that a boycott was happening to seek change or send a message. I think this "sending a message" ideal is naive now that I've had more time to think about the events, regardless of what side of the fence people are on.
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Well, I was agreeing with you. :) I was just speaking in general. I'm buying the game to validate my own hype. Heh. I'm just not silly enough to think conditions will improve if I don't buy this game or buy it used.
 
ebullientprism said:
Or you should buy the game because you like the game and leave the inter office politics to the people that were, you know, actually involved.
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In general that seems like a fine idea. But in this day and age, consumers tend to be more and more well informed. As such I don't think it's bad practice to take into account different factors when purchasing something. Buying power is voting power, and with that we directly or indirectly shape the world. Thus there is an ethical component to consuming, which I don't think we should simply ignore.
 
Look, whether you buy it or don't buy it, whether you think it supports their behavior or not, there is one thing everyone CAN do.

Contact them directly and tell them what you're thinking.
Konami Contact Numbers

North America

Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
2381 Rosecrans Ave, Suite 200
El Segundo, CA 90245
USA
Tel: (310) 220-8100
Fax: (310) 220-8200
www.konami.com

Konami Gaming, Inc.
585 Trade Center Drive
Las Vegas, NV 89119
USA
Tel: (702) 317-0573
Fax: (702) 367-0007
www.gm.konami.com
Japan

KONAMI CORPORATION
9-7-2, Akasaka
Minato-ku, Tokyo, 107-8323
Japan
Tel: 03-5770-0573
Fax: 03-5412-3300
www.konami.co.jp/en

Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd
9-7-2, Akasaka
Minato-ku, Tokyo, 107-8324
Japan
www.konami-digital-entertainment.co.jp...
Europe

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH
Frankfurt Head Office
Berner Str. 103-105
60437 Frankfurt am Main
Germany
TEL:@+49 (0)69 985 573 0
FAX:@+49 (0)69 985 573 62
www.konami-digital-entertainment.de
Branch Office : England, Netherlands, France, Sweden, Spain
E-mail: support@konami.de
*Any European, Australian, African and Middle Eastern inquiries, please contact Frankfurt office.

Konami Digital Entertainment B.V.
389 Chiswick High Road
London, W4 4AL, UK
TEL: 44-20-8987-5733
FAX: 44-20-8987-5734
www.konami.co.uk
Asia

Konami Digital Entertainment Limited
Romm Nos. 611B, 612 & 613, 6/F,
Tsmi Sha Tsui Centre,
66 Moody Road,
Kowloon, Hong Kon
Tel: 852-2956-0573
Fax: 852-2956-2300
www.konami-digital-entertainment.hk

Konami Digital Entertainment Limited Singapore Branch
E-mail address for general enquiry: luistk@konami.com.hk

Konami Digital Entertainment Co.
6F. Daedong Bldg. 587-21, Shinsa-Dong, Gangnam-Gu, Seoul, Korea
Tel: 82-2-3785-0573
Fax: 82-2-3442-0591
E-mail addres for general inquiry: m_korea@konami.com

Konami Australia Pty Ltd
28 Lord Street, Botany, NSW, Australia
2019
Tel: 61-2-9666-5731
Fax: 61-2-9700-0311
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I've written them myself. Good ol' snail-mail.
 
I don't think anyone is boycotting MGS5. If you're going to boycott anything then boycott whatever the next non-kojima Metal Gear thing is, if no one buys MGS5 (yea right) then Konami would probably just look at it as having had the foresight to fire Kojima earlier. Not that boycotting has ever really done anything for games.
 
OP, you should mention the reference from Nikkei, that Kojima is still working on the game, going to his office at Konami, escorted and all that.


I want to play the final MGS from him, and also more effort (from other companies) to release big games into PC, day 1. So, I choose to support MGS V.
 
Personally, I'm going to be buying it used because I think not giving Konami any of my money is more important than sending some kind of message about how they should behave that they aren't going to get anyway.

But regardless of all that, I think we can all agree on one thing: Do NOT buy any microtransactions in MGSV. Buying or not buying the game is one thing, I can see both sides. Supporting both Konami directly AND f2p policies is just universally bad.
 
Berserker976 said:
Personally, I'm going to be buying it used because I think not giving Konami any of my money is more important than sending some kind of message about how they should behave that they aren't going to get anyway.

But regardless of all that, I think we can all agree on one thing: Do NOT buy any microtransactions in MGSV. Buying or not buying the game is one thing, I can see both sides. Supporting both Konami directly AND f2p policies is just universally bad.
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I dislike microtransactions anyway, but I agree wholeheartedly if there is going to be a major boycott it should be on the microtransaction side.
 
I understand your sentiment OP, but that ship has sailed and sunk. They're going mobile/gambling, regardless of performance here.

I'm not boycotting it; one last ride with Kojima at the helm is too good to pass up.

However, unless they go back to console/full games of their IPs (not likely), I am done with Konami as a whole. Hope they didn't compromise his ideas and goals for the game too much though.
 
I don't think Konami cares, and I don't either. I'll buy MGSV because it's the last MGS we'll get from Kojima. And even if my money will go toward a publisher I don't care about anymore, that's fine. But it'll be the last time.
 
Garlador said:
Look, whether you buy it or don't buy it, whether you think it supports their behavior or not, there is one thing everyone CAN do.

Contact them directly and tell them what you're thinking.
Konami Contact Numbers

I've written them myself. Good ol' snail-mail.
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Yeah cause the receptionist that picks up will surely get Kojima back with an apology from the board of directors and his name on the box again.

Jesus christ GAF! Let it go already. This is way past embarrassing, this is some high level cringe shit.
 
I don't see me buying or not buying the game affecting anything.

I'm going to buy MGS V and expect Konami to not produce anything I'm interested in after that.
 
Ralemont said:
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?

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not this shit again

the way steam groups work is that the page you're showing sorts currently playing users to the top, so all the people who bought the game would be shown on the first page

If half a percent of the boycotting people decided to buy the game, that page would still look like that

but go ahead and pretend there aren't 17 pages of people in the group, or that Call of Duty numbers on PC are super amazing.
 
How MGSV sales affect Konami is irrelevant. What is more relevant is how they affect Kojima and his team. Everyone wants him to be able to make big games like PT with another studio, but if MGSV under performs his value and bargaining power to do that decrease. It's simply foolish to boycott or buy the game used unless you don't like what Kojima and his team made, and don't want more of it, period.

That's the point the OP should've argued IMO.

Yoshichan said:
I'm a huge fan of MGS.

I will boycott it and borrow it from my cousin when he's done with it.

Fuck Konami.
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Like stuff like that? Ridiculous. Kojima got nearly a blank check to make this game, what was compromised in the game itself? Nothing but his name and logo as far as we know. If you like the game, buy the game and boycott whatever comes next from them.
 
Garlador said:
Look, whether you buy it or don't buy it, whether you think it supports their behavior or not, there is one thing everyone CAN do.

Contact them directly and tell them what you're thinking.


I've written them myself. Good ol' snail-mail.
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That's an even worse idea. Oh my lord. Who do you think picks up the phone or reads the emails?
 
The game does not even look fun. With the gameplay I saw, it looks like a huge collect a ton, and a grind fest. The mother base looks so dead boring, nobody will want to run around a industrial looking base with more birds than human to be seen.

Once the open World woah feeling is gone, players will be left with tons of grinding and répétitive stealth section.
 
Still buying it. Game's going to be amazing.

Konami can kiss my ass, though, cuz I know they're gonna kill MGO3 sooner than they did 2.
 
Ceadeus said:
The game does not even look fun. With the gameplay I saw, it looks like a huge collect a ton, and a grind fest. The mother base looks so dead boring, nobody will want to run around a industrial looking base with more birds than human to be seen.

Once the open World woah feeling is gone, players will be left with tons of grinding and répétitive stealth section.
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It all hinges on the variety of the missions, if the variety is simply what we saw in GZ, the game is fucked. But that's not likely.
 
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