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If you don't like current Konami, you SHOULD buy MGSV
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I want to play all the mainline games in MGS first including replying the ones I already played before I consider getting MGSV.
But honestly, I can't stand Snake's new voice no matter what apparently, so I was thinking of getting way later as it is. Then, the Konami stuff just made it so much worse that I would rather not give them my money. The old Konami isn't coming back and they fired or moved most people already not even KojiProd's name was saved.
Yes, 19 people out of over 700. Then what?
That picture is such a shitty example every time I see it brought up. Too many don't even bother to count how many people there really are in that group, but start bursting out in laughter instead.
But honestly, I can't stand Snake's new voice no matter what apparently, so I was thinking of getting way later as it is. Then, the Konami stuff just made it so much worse that I would rather not give them my money. The old Konami isn't coming back and they fired or moved most people already not even KojiProd's name was saved.
Yes, 19 people out of over 700. Then what?
That picture is such a shitty example every time I see it brought up. Too many don't even bother to count how many people there really are in that group, but start bursting out in laughter instead.
LookAtMeGo
Member
But when the product is amazing, its easy to overlook a companies practices. I mean, nobody is being murdered here. You're not supporting war or child slavery. Its a videogame made by a passionate man that is being shipped to us by a bunch of assholes.
brickarts295
Member
Kinda of Ironic don't you think XD
It's a double edge sword honestly. Buy the game, you support Konami (bad) but you also support Kojima (good). Don't buy the game, you don't support Konami (good), but you don't support Kojima (bad).
AT the end of the day, I just want to play a good game, don't give a crap who made it or published it as long as its good and worth the price.
hikarutilmitt
Member
I'm not boycotting it or buying it used. I've simply canceled my CE preorder because it's no longer enticing and buying the game on release is pointless for me because I know I won't be playing it for a while.
Thus I can either wait for a price drop on PS4 or PC.
Done.
Thus I can either wait for a price drop on PS4 or PC.
Done.
I'm willing to be educated here since I don't use Steam much. Why is the assumption that those people are the only ones in the group that bought MW2?
BobTheFork
Member
What's done is done and there's no going back. At this point, does anyone believe buying the game will make Konami think they made the RIGHT move by getting rid of the guy who's game sold a few million?
There is no message to send them, there's only the game so I'm buying the game. They sure as hell aren't getting any flak for this from Japan so it doesn't matter.
There is no message to send them, there's only the game so I'm buying the game. They sure as hell aren't getting any flak for this from Japan so it doesn't matter.
Sumio Mondo
Member
If anything, people should support whatever Kojima's next ventures are and boycott the next Metal Gear that Konami makes.
Well that's a decision that everybody needs to make. But there's nothing strange about boycotting it as implied by the OP. Though I doubt it would make any difference to Konami and anyway nobody knows the facts about what happened to point fingers at anyone.
I think it is best if I just quoted Htown's post from a couple of pages back as he explains it better than what I would have done:
Also, CoD on PC saw a sharp decline after that point on not from just this group I believe.
I'm still confused, sorry. I get that it sorts currently playing players to the top, but doesn't that just tell you that of people currently playing, most are playing MW2, at least on that first page?
This probably illustrates another reason why the example was bad, but in a way that further supports my question: PC users stopped buying COD because they were receiving a worse product. For MGSV it would be for ethical worries, which is a different beast.
19 people are playing it, some are playing other games, and like a few are offline or not playing games. Normally this should imply that everyone else in the group is also offline/not playing because offline people are already being sorted into the first page.
So now with that mind, can you still infer that too many people in that group bought it? No.
I haven't checked any new changes to groups, but that's what I remember from how they got sorted.
LookAtMeGo
Member
That's my stance as well. Although I think people are free to make the decision to boycott or buy used, that's fine. I'm just voicing why I personally find it silly that people take this moral high ground about a videogame publisher to boycott a game and post about it here from their phones or tablets that were probably made from a company that actually deserves boycotting.
That part I find ironic.
Sword Of Doom
Member
im usually all for making a statement and boycotting but I agree in this case. If anything we're hurting Kojima and his team
As for DmC I wish it wasn't a Devil May cry game so that it would have gotten the recognition and praise it deserved
As for DmC I wish it wasn't a Devil May cry game so that it would have gotten the recognition and praise it deserved
The Spoony Hou
Member
I've been boycotting Konami for like 10 years. You won't stop me!
CambriaRising
Member
You can't boycott Konami anyway, they are already boycotting you.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Yeah, a "boycott" implies that Konami gives a shit
Svartafaran
Member
What if you are buying it used?
IrishNinja
Member
^this
love for kojipro, but for me it's not about sending a message to konami so much as simply not rewarding their bullshit...ill borrow my roommate's copy when he's done.
thank you for this, so tired of that being used as an end-all piece (regardless of context) on why we should just take whatever's given...you know, despite all the crow eaten when so many said MS wouldn't change course going into this gen
In practical terms, how is it not?
Boycotting involves abstaining. The "boycotting" for MGS5 is more along the lines of having your cake and eating it.
Canis lupus
Member
I'm not gonna give them a chance to justify their actions by pointing out to failing sales of MGSV.
Boycotting the game is the dumbest thing gaming related I heard this year.
Boycotting the game is the dumbest thing gaming related I heard this year.
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?
came in here for this. never forget
mcz117chief
Member
And most of them probably have the game. I actually did check this group about a year ago and everyone I randomly clicked on in that group did own MW2 and I checked about 30 people.
Sure, but you also can't infer that most didn't buy it. For example:
In any case, the image was taken more seriously than I thought it would. Instead of an honest to god example, I simply thought it was a funny image to illustrate a point that I believe anyway, which is that people are fickle. And by the way...
That's not the point either. Obviously people will stand their ground when it benefits them to do so. How many will boycott MGSV when it won't?
Metal Gear Solid V is not their bullshit, it's possibly their last legit game.
IrishNinja
Member
right; im not saying that part was bullshit, so much as, you know, the last few years (particularly this one) of fuckery
i'm still not over what they did to hudson
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I've heard a few people say that they'll buy a second-hand/pre-owned copy. But I figure most of those will just buy it new on day one.
This never gets old. It's the perfect way of depicting the lifecycle of something that's "controversial on the internet."
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?
This never gets old. It's the perfect way of depicting the lifecycle of something that's "controversial on the internet."
If we buy the game Konami gets our money for it and they move on to mobile anyway, mistreat thier employees and do the same thing they were going to do.
If we boycott we miss out on a great game Konami does not get our money, we prove them right for abandoning the market and they move on to mobile anyway, mistreat thier employees and do the same thing they were going to do.
I personally don't see much of a difference in the two choices. If someone is do disgusted by Konami's actions they skip the game or buy it used out of spite, more power to them, I totally respect that. I'm just going to bite the bullet and buy it. I've been unhappy with them for years and I still bought the games I thought were going to be good (Not many of them Konami has been on the decline for quite a while) so I'll just continue. I have no delusions it will make a difference one way or the other though, god knows the past 6 years or so haven't.
If we boycott we miss out on a great game Konami does not get our money, we prove them right for abandoning the market and they move on to mobile anyway, mistreat thier employees and do the same thing they were going to do.
I personally don't see much of a difference in the two choices. If someone is do disgusted by Konami's actions they skip the game or buy it used out of spite, more power to them, I totally respect that. I'm just going to bite the bullet and buy it. I've been unhappy with them for years and I still bought the games I thought were going to be good (Not many of them Konami has been on the decline for quite a while) so I'll just continue. I have no delusions it will make a difference one way or the other though, god knows the past 6 years or so haven't.
This is how I feel.
IAmRandom31
Banned
No real point to worry about Konami once Kojima is gone. What else do they have? That soccer game?
Konami is finished. Kojima left/got booted just in time. I'm ready to see him take on a new IP.
Konami is finished. Kojima left/got booted just in time. I'm ready to see him take on a new IP.
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?
In all seriousness I don't think I've actually seen anyone say they are going to boycott this game aside from the I'll wait a week and buy used people.
On the other hand when I boycott something I actually do it. I said I was going to boycott P4A over the region locking, people shoved that same screenshot in my face and I never bought or played the game. I even talked a few other people I know out of buying it. Interestingly enough the sequel had no region locking.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?
I thought this image had been bunked dozens of times before...
Also COD is dead on PC, so it seems people did eventually have enough afterall
http://steamcharts.com/app/209660
Even if that image was representative of any boycotting efforts, why would you as gamer and consumer gloat at it?
So you think that gamers and consumers are a bunch of pathetic addicts who whine a lot but in the end need their fix and buy the games afterall.
And you think this would be a good thing or funny because?
Why would this make you happy unless you work at konami (or in the case of the cod image activision).
MW2 not having dedis was really shitty, so I'm not sure why you're on activision's side
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Konami's trajectory is set already. They don't give a shit whether MGS5 makes a profit or not. Even if it did, it would be dwarfed by the earnings of their other divisions. Remove them from your mind and live peacefully.
thetrin
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Naaaah. Take it from someone working in the Japanese indie scene: there's hope.
Demoskinos
Member
Is anyone actually going to boycott, though?
Still one of my favorite pictures on the internet.
It wont do shit. While Konami still owns all those franchises, the people associated with them are gone. There is no good reason to reward Konami. You are simply financing a slot machine, a phone game, or a terrible port of a past game.
Now if you love Metal Gear then buy the game. I am going to buy it, but I am aware that it will not make a difference concerning turning Konami around.
Now if you love Metal Gear then buy the game. I am going to buy it, but I am aware that it will not make a difference concerning turning Konami around.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Since when does posting an image mean that you're "on Activision's side"?
ChasingComets
Member
This is Kojima's magnum opus. No way am I missing out day one. I find it silly to let the Konami situation affect this very fundamental rationale for buying the game, especially if you've been a fan of the franchise.
That said I do want to know how these last few months of development went, the stories I hear of KojiPro being incarcerated is incredulous.
That said I do want to know how these last few months of development went, the stories I hear of KojiPro being incarcerated is incredulous.
In many ways MGSV: Ground Zeroes is the best MGS game out of all of them. (And this is coming from someone who has MGS3 in their top #5 GOAT list.)
On top of that, the CEO must be nearing his last legs. He's like 72 or something, maybe older. My two cents is that there's a chance he'll retire in the next couple of years, and then his son might take over.
And perhaps his son is more open to traditional game publishing? In which case, proving MGS sells well might be the right thing to do at this stage.