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If you were gaf's owner whats your next move?
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snail_maze
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Holy shit, haha
You are right. I should have been more specific and been more along the lines that the vocal leavers who engaged in discussions apparently knew those things existed...as well as the moderators who should have known this as well.
Pretty much. But don't forget that some of them had their own issues (specifically targeting users, broadly banning users, basing perm bans on whether they like certain game series etc). And allowing bishoptl on the board who, apparently, immediately makes statements about sitting in a chair with a shotgun...not a good look.
Bishoptl is just a regular member. This fear of him is ridiculous.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
From what I've seen the moderation at reset is much fairer than it was on gaf and is a hundred percent more transparent. Turns out if you actually apply the same rules to everyone you end up with a much more civil forum.
As a non-native English speaker, screw you. I hope you get banned so you can be at peace not having to hang out with the rest of us that make you feel dumber.
I've said "allowing bishoptl on the board", I know he is nothing more than a member. But you do know that for some of his statements here, he should have been perm-banned a long time ago?
Huh? Where did I make an accusation (or apparently several)?
jufonuk
not tag worthy
If he has no power I wonder how serious people will take him?
I don't speak for the staff over there. But I do know they said this was a fresh start.
He's made all of 2 posts so far I believe. He seems more content to lurk for now than post.
I took the last statement about having bish there not being a good look as a accusation for whatever reason, my bad
I think it's essential a walking corpse now looking at the number of posts daily here vs the ever growing number its counterparts.
Almost a 20x difference in daily activity and this multiple will only increase unless Evilore does something to savage it.
I'll sell it to the highest bidder before the value further deteriorate.
Almost a 20x difference in daily activity and this multiple will only increase unless Evilore does something to savage it.
I'll sell it to the highest bidder before the value further deteriorate.
Which isn't really a bad thing.
Nah, "not a good look" = seems like he is going to continue acting like he did before (I guess the beginning of the sentence can be off-throwing).
To be fair, it's natural that in the beginning, there is a spike in posts. It will slow down over the coming weeks over there (but it will obviously still be way more active than it is here).
I kinda hoped he would use this opportunity to improve several aspects (I suggested a lot of things, as did others) but from the looks of it nothing will change (except two in a worse direction so far) and not bringing the OT section back is a giant disappointment.
PJV3
Member
People seem to just like him, I have no problem with the man either.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Yeah in terms of activity it hasn't showed any signs of recovering since the mass account suicides finished. Not sure if views have been hit as hard but they're bound to drop if there's a lack of activity. Lurkers will get bored and move on.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Me either I have nothing against him personally. Juat I think being a mod people were afraid to disagree with him.
PJV3
Member
A lot of that was pure pantomime, it might have got out of hand now and again, but it's just a forum in the end.
Some of it was fucking funny.
Wait...he wasn't a mod? I always thought he was..
I mean, I called him out for a post he made that would have netted him a long ban (if not permanent ban) but got banned instead (highly likely by him). So I have personal experience at least.
I dont think its fair or appropriate to compare the two just yet, just as I wouldnt say GAF is done simply because there is little activity right now. The other forum is days old, of course everyone will be on their best behavior as users and mods.
If in 3-6 months the same feeling of inclusivity, moderation, and activity remain then I think making comparisons would be fair. Changes did need to be made in GAF though. I do like some of the ideas ResetERA is implementing. I just hope that GAF will take this an opportunity to bring much needed improvements to the site and the moderation team.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
consulting a lawyer
PJV3
Member
I'm not denying your experience, from my time here he was one of the good things about the place, it doesn't mean he was perfect, or wouldn't let certain subjects get to him.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Perhaps. Just wanted to give credit where it's due. Many people assumed the moderation at reset would be similar to gafs before the blowup but it's looking like they're putting some effort in to avoid a repeat of some of the issues gaf had.
It also helps that theres not a feeling of the community being at war with the people who run the place. Whether that lasts or not is the question.
That is where the real test will be. Its a new place so people are still kicking the tires, so to speak. Of course, I hope theyre successful. But I also think its naiive that anyone would think the moderation is so much better when the dust hasnt even settled yet. People keep talking about NeoGAF and ResetERA as if months or years have passed already. Thats the part that has me constantly scratching my head.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
why not 5x or 10x? Let's hope so.
Robottiimu2000
Member
Lootboxes.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
This forum isbonly negative because scum like you have stayed around to continue spreading it, and 4chan has double the activity you era has, so congrats to 4chan I guess?
GarthVaderUK
Banned
There'll likely be another big spike in 59 days onwards when thousands of the new members signed up over the past 24 hours suddenly gain the ability to post new topics.
I don't think that's helping.
jellies_two
Member
You cannot draw any such conclusions so early. Moderation there can copy paste gaf and look "fair" for months until some key individuals cop a ban and start griping about the circumstances and never fucking let it go.
This takes months, years, to accumulate.
Gaf has had what 15 years of moderation of a relatively giant community and accumulated mistakes which all get re-litigated the moment anything bad happens.
Anyone shitting on moderation here is naive to decide anywhere else has a better system. It is so easy to look good initially. I guarantee in one year they will have the same darkly furious banned members ready to say the same stuff, from the outside, or ready to elaborately suicide with a grudge should the need arise.
I would create significantly more moderators either through promoting active members or hiring outside help, then do frequent waves of accepting juniors to boost numbers. Once traffic begins to level off, I'd sell.
What I can say is that it is nice to see what post caused a user to be banned and the reasoning behind it. However, I doubt that's a requirement--if the mod team wanted to silence someone, I'm sure they could stealth ban.
I completely agree. The people who constantly complain about the old Gaf mods and have zero experience moderating a community on the scale and quality of NeoGAF come across as ignorant to me.
What I can say is that it is nice to see what post caused a user to be banned and the reasoning behind it. However, I doubt that's a requirement--if the mod team wanted to silence someone, I'm sure they could stealth ban.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
Member
I would give like 90% of the sites revenue for a whole quarter to places that help women deal with coming to terms with sexual harrasment to demonstrate a clear remorse and willingness to change.
Regardless of if I did the deed.
Regardless of if I did the deed.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
They actually let everyone know why someone was banned in detail and let people discuss and have a say on moderator actions so it's already leagues above some of the nonsense that was going on here. The tos was selectively applied here and there was no transparency or recourse. I think I can draw a conclusion based on that.
Allowing the masses to dictate moderation practices? That sounds interesting... we'll have to see how it turns out over the long haul.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
They don't dictate it but they're allowed to have a say and mods will consider their arguments. On here you weren't even allowed to ask about bans unless you pm'ed a mod.
And just for the record I've never been banned here in case people assume I'm salty about some past ban.
Awesome positive post.
Polioliolio
Member
Sell it for the monnaaaayyyy.
I need money..
I need money..
Joe T.
Member
That would have been a masterful PR move.
jellies_two
Member
These are ideas that need time before anyone can say they are better.
Having discussions on bans and meta-moderation is something that only works when the problem is obvious. inevitably there will be cases that set one part of a community against another.
Excuse me if I don't join the hype train easily, forums and moderation methods have been a survival of the fittest ecosystem for so long now it is highly unlikely anyone has found a magic solution. And in particular giving the community a sense of being part of a decision is particularly difficult for situations more complex than shitposting and spam.
I don't think public discussion is a good option. I've been an s-moderator of a large forum and from personal experience, having clear-cut rules help a lot. When it comes to insults (or something as ambiguous), we would usually poke 1-2 other moderators to ask what they think and then act accordingly. Of course, publicly stating the ban reason was always a thing (and it's a thing in pretty much every forum I frequent, except here and one other one). We used to edit the reason into the post in question and also say whether it's a warning or a ban (you would need some warnings before a first ban is applied but it also always depended on how and what you violated). Later on, when the software improved, we had other options and didn't need to manually edit the posts (it then had its fixed position in the post).
It's a tricky situation, and I admit I'm completely ignorant of the behind the scenes machinations of running an online forum. That said, what I would want to do is increase membership by ditching the paid email address requirement and relaxing new thread restrictions on junior members. I know that sounds like a recipe for disaster, but I would compensate for that by implementing a one thread per X hours rule in the software (if possible. Again, completely ignorant here). That would give the mods time to crack down on the bad eggs, but it would also foster a lot of new discussion and activity around here, both of which are sorely needed.
I would also be a bit more lenient with rules and expectations to give the community a chance to forge its own identity. The internet doesn't need more than one neogaf as we've come to know it, and like or not, era seems to have assumed that role.
I would also be a bit more lenient with rules and expectations to give the community a chance to forge its own identity. The internet doesn't need more than one neogaf as we've come to know it, and like or not, era seems to have assumed that role.
jellies_two
Member
Things are always sweetness and light in the early days. Ask anyone who has been in a start up. Limitless opportunity! No grudges! Spiffy new furniture! it is what happens over time that is the test. NeoGAF survived and grew through many challenges so its moderation method was not fatally flawed. My bet is in the end any new "all games all subjects" community will end up with a familiar moderation system with only minor tweaks. And, owner aside, all of the same problems and issues and angry people as well.
Leaving because you don't want to support the owner is legit. (did you also delete Uber from your phone?), having a tantrum on the way out combined with an advert for your new chosen home is just childish. Activating sock puppet accounts to come back to troll is 4chan. Demanding people do as you do otherwise they are complicit/flawed isn't that how the term SJW gained traction as an insult?
yea I see that.
Regardless, that's a good change to try out...it may stick, it may not but it doesn't hurt to try.
1 issue I could see coming up though is what if there are people who don't agree with the bans, and then worse, if some agree with it...that can breed hatred overtime. Let's hope it doesn't go that way.
It wouldn't be so bad if they adapt similar approach here or at least make the ban message visible in the thread.
t-storm
Member
At the beginning of last year, everyone was calling it that the Fine Bros were done after it backfired when they tried to trademark the React brand. I remember posters here were actively cheering on and tracking their loss of subscribers daily, hourly even. They did lose a big chunk of their subscribers but they ultimately stayed the course and changed their approach slightly by putting less focus on them and more on their staff and in the end, bounced back.
How about they make a system where as old timers (let's give it an arbitrary number like those who have been here for 3 years) are able to either send invite to friends' email that are non paid emails. Like, in GAF system I am able to send an invite to my wife who has gmail, for example, and once she accepts it, she joins as a member, or a junior.
And if abuse is a problem, limit each member to have only 3 invite chances.
Or, old timers are able to generate a code in GAF system and they can give it to their friends to join. Again, only a limited number of codes generation is allowed per member.
This could help getting more members and the risk of being over run with Alt-right will be significantly lower and easier to manage compared to wholesale open registration for free email addresses.
And if abuse is a problem, limit each member to have only 3 invite chances.
Or, old timers are able to generate a code in GAF system and they can give it to their friends to join. Again, only a limited number of codes generation is allowed per member.
This could help getting more members and the risk of being over run with Alt-right will be significantly lower and easier to manage compared to wholesale open registration for free email addresses.
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