I personally think that you shouldn't announce specs at an unveiling of a console where the general media are invited. 90% of them won't care because they don't understand it. Case in point, when Cerny announced the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, no one in the audience batted an eyelid.
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I personally think that you shouldn't announce specs at an unveiling of a console where the general media are invited. 90% of them won't care because they don't understand it. Case in point, when Cerny announced the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, no one in the audience batted an eyelid.
brokenbeans
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I'm not paying to play online and use apps this generation.
I want value for money even at the very least a free arcade game a month would be better than nothing.
No kidding. What was the rationale? Downloaded games are smaller, therefore easier to port?
Do they think the majority of the stuff taking up all the room on physical media is raw code?
The hilarious thing is that you see technically inept assertions like this on lightly edited gaming blogs or whatever. But IGN? Don't they have, I don't know, professional editors going over this stuff?
Miles Quaritch
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People tend to trade their old consoles in for new ones. This might be a foreign concept to us, but lots of people do it to reduce the cost or so they can also buy some games with their newly bought console.
This was something I witnessed first hand when I bought my Wii U at launch. Two people brought along their Wii to trade in towards the Wii U. I was tempted to follow suit, the trade in offers were quite insane.
I'm a console hoarder though, the mere thought of trading in my consoles or games makes my stomach churn.
AZ Greg
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Seems more like they're just following the same pattern from last generation. Both Halo 2 and Forza 1 came out about a year or less from the launch of the 360 and Rare got center stage for launch. Based on that tweet we saw from the Rare guy it looks like things may be playing out the same. Let's just hope they actually deliever this time!
And/or that MS isn't planning to supplement the potential lack of Halo/Gears/Forza with a mountain of Kinect stuff.
Arrogant Menace
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people also tend to jump into a different console maker but i guess its a foreign concept.
Any developers in the audience or watching online sure would have though. This event might only have been attended by the press and investors but that sure as hell wasn't the only people that were paying attention.
For me they got the amount of spec talk just right. Don't go mental with it, they didn't say what frequency the CPU or GPU are running at or anything like that. It was just a nice simple explanation of why they were going down that route, and then a fairly general 8 cores, modified PC GPU, 8GB GDDR5 ram.
They didn't dwell on it or keep banging on about it, they moved on and never mentioned it again. I don;t think anyone other than Cerny mentioned any of the actual specs. The way some people are banging on about others shouting about GDDR5 you woudl think Sony kept talking about it in the conference and got the devs to talk about it and then ended the conference with "One last thing, 8GB GDDR5 bitches".
After the show though I think every developer on GameTrailers was grinning from ear to ear about it.
Have access to a library of great cheap games is bad?
Devilgunman
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Even though MS can achieve all 6 points IGN raised, 720 will still be in trouble if the rumors of always online and anti used game are true.
BruiserBear
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Of course it isn't bad, but it's completely insignificant for the vast majority of consumers.
I too thought Sony balanced the tech side of things, but GDC is right round the corner, and that is the time to get all geeky with the specs.
Arrogant Menace
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Yea i think its eerily similar to last generation but this time instead of just rare i think we may see a couple of other 1st/ 3rd party exclusives sometime around launch might not be at launch but they will be there. ryse might show up in a new form as well.
BruceLeeRoy
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Hahahaha. Best first post ever.
BruiserBear
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Opus Angelorum
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Let's be honest.
Microsoft could show a number of fantastic 1st party titles (all new AAA IP) and people would still say the console was doomed because Kinect is mentioned.
And to those saying BC is irrelevant, are you championing Gaikai?
So games are insignificant? Having a library of great games many of which will be $20 or less is a great thing and not insignificant at all.
Liquid_Bike
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Just reading this thread I'm not sure how MS can turn this tide of negative support. Without core gamers as the backbone I don't see how Durango can be a success.
Not a HD version but a true next gen one and with added content.
Totally agree. I want new experiences, not a suped-up version of a game I played in 2004.
Miles Quaritch
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It's hard to argue against this, but we're in uncharted waters with the next generation.The time, effort, energy and money people have invested into their accounts will play a very big role in their decision of which console to buy.
If both don't offer BC, I could see it being less of an issue, but there will still undoubtedly be story after story about consumers who are angry their content isn't accessible on their newly bought console.
...that was never good to begin with. Yeah, I said it.
This. The entire MS strategy is to extend beyond the gaming market. No way they only focus on this being a gaming machine or make that the main focus. I really do imagine we will see something similar to their past E3 presentations. A heavy emphasis on their OS and entertainment features.
Probably not for this upcoming generation.
No its not.
Miles Quaritch
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No-one can do this if they want to survive in the market.
BruiserBear
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I can think of 3 announcements they could make that would certainly help them out.
1) A big new exclusive IP that looks amazing from EPIC Games.
2) The new shooter from Respawn Games (the former Infinity Ward guys) is exclusive to the new Xbox for a 1-3 months.
3) The next gen version of Modern Warfare 4 will be exclusive to the new Xbox for 1-3 months.
If they don't have one of those things, ehh, yikes.
Miles Quaritch
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Some very unrealistic expectations.
Did you even read what I said? I think it's great that you're really hung-up on current gen games still, but apparently the majority of buyers doesn't care and buys a next-gen console for next-gen titles.
For sure I would like every console to have full BC. It's just not going to happen and that's not a huge deal because my previous consoles are not going to vanish the minute I buy a new one.
Focus on the next Xbox as a games machine?
Bring the first party thunder?
Backwards compatibility?
It's like this guy hasn't paid attention to anything Microsoft has done in the last 2 years. I mean, their first party situation is so bad that he has to bring up Alan Wake 2 as the thing that'll sell core gamers.
Sure, the list is nice as hypotheticals for a console that would be focused on gamers, but Microsoft isn't going in that direction. He should've tried to integrate at least a little bit of reality into this lsit.
Bring the first party thunder?
Backwards compatibility?
It's like this guy hasn't paid attention to anything Microsoft has done in the last 2 years. I mean, their first party situation is so bad that he has to bring up Alan Wake 2 as the thing that'll sell core gamers.
Sure, the list is nice as hypotheticals for a console that would be focused on gamers, but Microsoft isn't going in that direction. He should've tried to integrate at least a little bit of reality into this lsit.
You cant possible be using neogaf as a measuring stick for how the xbox will sell?
Have you people seen the NPDs? What casual xbox game sells game busters there? GTFO.
BruiserBear
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I don't think I stated those as expecations, but whatever.
Exactly, they didn't get geeky here at all apart from saying once that the ram was 8GB, GDDR5 and the bandwidth. It was a nice "Yo, hardcores/developers that know what this means listen up a second, we comin' for you" but not enough to leave millions confused for 20 minutes in the conference while they whittled on about it.
I'm sure they will go into much more detail later on but getting the very basics out there early hasn't done any harm to them at all, not win the way that they did it.
Saying nothing at all just gets backs up.
But see, if that is your main concern you can buy a cheap used Xbox360 and have those cheap older games available. Why would you buy a new console to play the old games? It'd be nice, I suppose, here and there, buy I don't think most people would base their decision on buying the new whiz bang tech on whether or not it can run old games. Games they more than likely already have, if the "keep their current library relevant" crowd are right.
GoddyofAus
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I hope you're trolling.
Miles Quaritch
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What were they then? Announcements you'd like to see? Announcements they need to make in your opinion?
In any case, they are wildly unrealistic and only serve to set the bar so high that you will invariably come away from the presser feeling disappointed.
SniperHunter
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All they need to do is: Show Halo 5, CoD Next, GTAV exclusive for Xbox 8 and the momentum will be on their side.
Do people even know how the services differ?
Do you all just think its as simple as party chat?
Achieve,nets that don't require manual synching, patches that don't take up to over an hour or more, no installing after downloads and of course the stuff that comes to front of mind like party chat and cross are invites.
Yeah, they really are two steps behind. Is PSN far better than it was at the start of the gen? He'll yeah. Sony has improved their service immeasurably, but that doesn't change the fact that its behind from purely a functionality/infrastructure point of view.
Miles Quaritch
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I'm finding it increasingly harder to tell. Posts mentioning sheep people, the post you quoted. It's hard to tell who is joking, who is trolling and who is deathly serious.
When I get myself a new Iphone I just delete all my old games since they're old news, right? why the hell would I wan't to keep playing good games that are outdated.
Valkyria
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You know, maybe I'm a bit crazy, but those people could wait another year and buy Ps3 or Xbox 360 for cheap they have waited 7 years.
If people buys a Ps4/Xbox 3 is for playing its games, otherwise they will go with the cheaper way of buying the old hardware low priced.