LOL there are no words.
Sure there are, like, "what the fuck" and "what the hell is wrong with this guy" and "fucking game journalists"
LOL there are no words.
You're so good it's almost scary.You're supposed to be concerned. Between this and the way BF4 looks on PS4 maybe it isn't such a good idea to get one at launch after all? Oh and by the way, have you heard Titanfall makes other next-gen FPSs look quaint? Only available on Xbox One
You are completely right.
I'll post it again because I love this.
Here is the guy from the OP. IGN's Scott Lowe, getting this exact thing explained to him by Mark Cerny himself.
You're supposed to be concerned. Between this and the way BF4 looks on PS4 maybe it isn't such a good idea to get one at launch after all? Oh and by the way, have you heard Titanfall makes other next-gen FPSs look quaint? Only available on Xbox One™
IGN... Lol.
LOL there are no words.
IGN... Lol.
Sony's PS4 dev kits are basically the same hardware as a retail PS4, only with dev and debug tools, and OS etc. The PCs Microsoft claimed were dev kits were not similar to the Xbox One's hardware at all, and we're instead much much more powerful than final hardware. GTX 780s and Titans etc.
This. It looked like even Cerny was tempted to say something like "Well the Playstation Vita was designed as a penis pump originally. We were surprised to learn it even plays games." Just to see if he'd say "of course" and nod his head like glass-eyed robot.lol, he seems like not even listening what cerny is telling him... so no wonder he is so confused... so funny.
This. It looked like even Cerny was tempted to say something like "Well the Playstation Vita was designed as a penis pump originally. We were surprised to learn it even plays games." Just to see if he'd say "of course" and nod his head like glass-eyed robot.
Are these the same dev kits with 2.75Ghz cpu?
You're supposed to be concerned. Between this and the way BF4 looks on PS4 maybe it isn't such a good idea to get one at launch after all? Oh and by the way, have you heard Titanfall makes other next-gen FPSs look quaint? Only available on Xbox One
So did Penello just confirm that XB1 were also running on devkit?
... And, you know, PC.
Thank you for your post.With so many people questioning what I meant around near final at Gamescom, I want to clarify my own comments (typically I wouldnt chime in on a Sony thread, since I cant speak to what Sony is doing), but since I cant start a new thread, Im adding my comments here. So before this starts Im not here to bash Sony.
At E3, you saw Xbox One games running in a couple of environments:
Development PCs (these were our early Alpha kits specd similarly to HW targets)
Development Kits (these are the white and black consoles that look like retail units)
Other PCs (in these cases, like the drama around the PC with the nvidia GPU), we asked developers to make sure what they were showing was reflective of what could be achieved on Xbox One.
I think we were pretty open about it. Some may disagree, but I dont recall us trying to be particularly cagey about this since its typical for this point in the console to have game development being scattered.
At this point, just about everything is running on near final Hardware. Whats unique about our program this time is that Dev Kits and Retail Kits are exactly the same.
Despite the belief, our Dev Kits DO NOT have 12gb of ram. They have 8gb, just like shipping units. So anything you see running on a black Xbox One console is the same unit were going to ship.
Now, the reason I say near final is because you guys like us to be precise. Anyone that knows HW development understands that millions of units dont come flying off the assembly line by just flipping a switch (see what I did there?)
You have many, many units that are run on the factory production line before final product starts as youre testing quality, tweaking the manufacturing process, etc. But all these consoles youre seeing are coming off factory production lines. Thats why I caveat near final because, before you start full production, you go through many test runs.
So again to clarify we have real, retail consoles running real code. Every time you see a black box running software, its the real thing. I had almost 300 people see the dash demo at Gamescom, and people were free to inspect the HW I was demoing on.
What's he trying to imply anyway? The PS4 will have lower than advertised specs? It will YLOD? I would think both Sony and MS learned from their mistakes this gen, so I'm baffled by the tweets
This, Albert has been very open with us and I appreciate that.
He said at E3 the PCs we saw were alpha dev kits or PC setups a from developers to run games looking representative of how they expect their game to look finished . The machines at Gamescom were running off actually retail hardware.
It'll be a very similar situation for Sony, except there has been no evidence of Sony having retail hardware available for use yet.
He said at E3 the PCs we saw were alpha dev kits or PC setups a from developers to run games looking representative of how they expect their game to look finished . The machines at Gamescom were running off actually retail hardware.
It'll be a very similar situation for Sony, except there has been no evidence of Sony having retail hardware available for use yet.
Are these the same dev kits with 2.75Ghz cpu?
You're supposed to be concerned. Between this and the way BF4 looks on PS4 maybe it isn't such a good idea to get one at launch after all? Oh and by the way, have you heard Titanfall makes other next-gen FPSs look quaint? Only available on Xbox One™
Are these the same dev kits with 2.75Ghz cpu?
Is this what Demonite calls the "test kit"?
It's a PS4 but different from retail final model.
And the dude from IGN doesn't think this looks like a retail unit?
Are these the same dev kits with 2.75Ghz cpu?
The way I understood this was that the uproar about XBOX One a few months ago was because they were using high-spec, Windows-based PC's, playing games with the XBOX Controller while Sony was showing stuff off on DevKits.
Am I wrong here? I would hope that, at this point, everything is running on DevKits at a minimum. I'm not that concerned if either of them aren't running on final hardware yet.
He doesn't usually write about games, he's their tech editor...
Sure there are, like, "what the fuck" and "what the hell is wrong with this guy" and "fucking game journalists"
Not misleading. He's using his twitter account which identifies him as executive editor, so he is in effect representing IGN every time he posts anything.Title is miss leading. This was not IGN, but an individual who works for IGN. He made the statement in an unofficial way.
IGN is really fucking up on Twitter in a big way lately. Last week another IGN staffer was live tweeting that Sony developer roundtable from Gamescom. And he was misquoting everyone left and right.
David Cage quote: "I'm dreaming of games that talk about social issues like homosexuality..."
IGN tweet: Cage spews nonsense, "I'm tired of games that talk about homosexuality."
Like how do you misquote someone and then go off on that person for saying something they never said? IGN, that's how.
If you click on the link to twitter, it shows that he was contrasting it with the Xbox One where he claimed it was running on "Xbox One units"
He changed his argument from "PCs" to "PS4 devkits" 11 hours later, but the initial comparison was between Sony using PCs to demo their games at their own booth and Microsoft using "Xbox One units."
What's the distinction between Xbox One units and PS4 devkits that caused him to write any of his posts?
Given that there is no way to visually differentiate a Xbox One devkit and a Xbox One consumer model. Especially not at trade-shows where physical access is restricted.
To me it's the same then. If you're charitable you can say it's because he is concerned about the thermal profile of the PS4.
But he already asked this question to lead architect Mark Cerny and got an answer in an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsl6zmPMje4&t=6m45s
IGN is really fucking up on Twitter in a big way lately. Last week another IGN staffer was live tweeting that Sony developer roundtable from Gamescom. And he was misquoting everyone left and right.
David Cage quote: "I'm dreaming of games that talk about social issues like homosexuality..."
IGN tweet: Cage spews nonsense, "I'm tired of games that talk about homosexuality."
Like how do you misquote someone and then go off on that person for saying something they never said? IGN, that's how.
IGN is really fucking up on Twitter in a big way lately. Last week another IGN staffer was live tweeting that Sony developer roundtable from Gamescom. And he was misquoting everyone left and right.
David Cage quote: "I'm dreaming of games that talk about social issues like homosexuality..."
IGN tweet: Cage spews nonsense, "I'm tired of games that talk about homosexuality."
Like how do you misquote someone and then go off on that person for saying something they never said? IGN, that's how.
IGN is really fucking up on Twitter in a big way lately. Last week another IGN staffer was live tweeting that Sony developer roundtable from Gamescom. And he was misquoting everyone left and right.
David Cage quote: "I'm dreaming of games that talk about social issues like homosexuality..."
IGN tweet: Cage spews nonsense, "I'm tired of games that talk about homosexuality."
Like how do you misquote someone and then go off on that person for saying something they never said? IGN, that's how.
The questions that get asked sometimes really baffles me. Do some bloody research, first for fuck's sake.
I had the same feeling when I read Vlad Savov's interview with Cerny. He went on blabbering about why Cerny didn't design the PS4 with different colours, instead of black.
Dude, it's been known since E3 that Cerny doesn't know how the hardware looked like because he only worked on the internals, and didn't have any input on how the hardware looked like. (aside from knowing it's smaller due to smaller power consumption ) And yet he's ignorant and went in thinking Cerny was somehow the industrial designer or whatnot.
And if it's already smaller than the PS3 in the market... There is this thing called Super Slim in the market, you know. 'Journalist'.
Is this what Demonite calls the "test kit"?
It's a PS4 but different from retail final model.
And the dude from IGN doesn't think this looks like a retail unit?
I watched that live stream and cage was certainly talking about how he wanted to deal with social issues such as homosexuality, he made other suggestions too all of which would make for rather intense themes for games and would be a good way to help inform people of themes that often go unsaid in mainstream media.
Can't believe IGN would hit the exact opposite line...
You're supposed to be concerned. Between this and the way BF4 looks on PS4 maybe it isn't such a good idea to get one at launch after all? Oh and by the way, have you heard Titanfall makes other next-gen FPSs look quaint? Only available on Xbox One
That was probably my favourite tweet ever.Sorry but the Xbox One Edition is exclusive to the Xbox One.
"Embarrassingly stupid" springs to my mind. It certainly was not Scott Lowes perception skills and logical deduction skills that made him an executive editor at IGN.Sure there are, like, "what the fuck" and "what the hell is wrong with this guy" and "fucking game journalists"
Wow that's terrible damnIGN is really fucking up on Twitter in a big way lately. Last week another IGN staffer was live tweeting that Sony developer roundtable from Gamescom. And he was misquoting everyone left and right.
David Cage quote: "I'm dreaming of games that talk about social issues like homosexuality..."
IGN tweet: Cage spews nonsense, "I'm tired of games that talk about homosexuality."
Like how do you misquote someone and then go off on that person for saying something they never said? IGN, that's how.
Any new updates from this blowhard regarding this?
From what I've seen, he hasn't responded to anything since the initial tweets. He just dropped his FUD turds and hid.
Very Giesian.
And the size of the dev kits shouldn't be a concern, because it's simply much easier to throw the hardware in any case that can be properly ventilated, as long as the hardware inside is representative of what's going to be in the actual system. Why waste money for some super special and custom design for cases that are more or less just a means to an end so development can go forward unhindered?
So, I don't think anyone thinks Sony is secretly running stuff on more powerful PCs, but you would think after the reveal of the PS4 design, that you would see something resembling a PS4 retail unit at least once since both E3 and Gamescom running a single PS4 game.
And what's your contribution to society?Go home, Albert. You're drunk.
This isn't about you.
It seems he is making the distinction that this is bad, because Xbox One games were shown on the retail device.
No idea how they can tell that, because according to Albert Penello the Xbox One devkit and retail kit are the same.