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[Amir0x]

He's not saying it isn't a fair price for the goods rendered. He's saying it isn't a fair price for the parts that make up that device. That's totally different, because with nearly identical "parts" you could two very different machines depending on things like who's supporting the console, how it plays, what type of games are going to be on it, and a ton of other factors. For somebody who is not going to enjoy the Wii controller at all, no price is a good value because they won't get their money's worth. For somebody who does believe they would enjoy it, the value depends on how much enjoyment they will get out of it. That's how it works, that's how everything else works too.

So, where is the cut off line for the value then? Would you pay $600 for Wii? Would you pay $800? I mean, you and I are both going to get enjoyment out of it. At that price, It'd be a pain in the ass in our wallets, but we're still gonna play games that are fun right?

 

[cvxfreak]

I find $230 a price of value because there's a Resident Evil game coming out for it.

Guess that makes me a moron.

 

[Amir0x]

I find $230 a price of value because there's a Resident Evil game coming out for it.

Guess that makes me a moron.

it makes you insane, yes. but collecting 60 versions of RE1 didn't exactly make you sane in the first place

 

[datruth29]

So, where is the cut off line for the value then? Would you pay $600 for Wii? Would you pay $800? I mean, you and I are both going to get enjoyment out of it. At that price, It'd be a pain in the ass in our wallets, but we're still gonna play games that are fun right?

It depends on how much you value it. Why do you think there are idoits who payed $1000+ for the 360. Literally, there are some people who would buy a PS3 at almost any price point. Its the crazy world we live in.

 

[Chris Remo]

So, where is the cut off line for the value then? Would you pay $600 for Wii? Would you pay $800? I mean, you and I are both going to get enjoyment out of it. It'd be a pain in the ass in our wallets, but we're gonna play games that are fun right?

No, I definitely wouldn't. I've never bought a console at launch of my own accord, and I doubt I'd buy this one at launch either if I didn't have a game journalism job. There isn't really a cutoff. In this system's case it depends a lot on the launch lineup. If it actually turns out amazing, sure I'd pay $229 for it. If the only titles worth playing are the first party ones and there aren't very many of them, I'd wait (although again my circumstances are a bit different now) and play Zelda on my Cube.

EDIT: For me personally, a lot of it also depends on how many of my friends buy a given system. That's why I bought an Xbox, and it increased the value greatly for me because I don't enjoy playing multiplayer games with random people.

 

[Amir0x]

It depends on how much you value it. Why do you think there are idoits who payed $1000+ for the 360. Literally, there are some people who would buy a PS3 at almost any price point. Its the crazy world we live in.

Exactly though! We know there are idiots that would pay anything. Why do we care about them? It's still a bad value if the PS3 was priced $1000, even if there are idiots willing to pay for it. Now, this is all overblown since the Wii is in no such position... $230 is not a RIP off, per say.

 

[Polari]

Exactly though! We know their are idiots that would pay anything. Why do we care about them? It's still a bad value if the PS3 was priced $1000, even if there are idiots willing to pay for it. Now, this is all overblown since the Wii is in no such position... $230 is not a RIP off, per say.

It's bad value to you (and every other sane person). It's clearly of some value to them. Value isn't universal. You're buying a Wii, because at $230, it's of more value to you than all the other things you could spend that $230 on. It's worth more than $230 to you. Meanwhile, I expect my mother would much rather spend her $230 on a couple of cushions than a Wii, because to her, Wii has no value.

 

[cvxfreak]

it makes you insane, yes. but collecting 60 versions of RE1 didn't exactly make you sane in the first place

But that's really what it comes down to.

Graphics never guaranteed a good RE game, so in that respect, the Wii is worth it by virtue of getting an RE game rather than the console's power. It's true that I want more out of the system's hardware, but it's still worth it.

 

[neojubei]

5.5 million shipped, no need to preorder one. Wii could catch 360 sell through by the end of the year?

especially in Japan. lol:lol

I am buying both colors/.

 

[datruth29]

Exactly though! We know their are idiots that would pay anything. Why do we care about them? It's still a bad value if the PS3 was priced $1000, even if there are idiots willing to pay for it. Now, this is all overblown since the Wii is in no such position... $230 is not a RIP off, per say.

Oh yes, its a bad value for me. I would never pay that price for any system, and if I do, shoot me because I just lost my mind. But for some people, not only is it worth it, its probably a steal for them! Thats why value cant have a definite property. I mean, look at paintings. How much does it cost for the parts? Your only using paint, something to paint with, and the canvas your painting on. That probably doesnt cost more then $100, and I'm probably over marking it at that price. But there are paintings that are worth millions and millions of dollars. Why the hell is that valued so high when the cost is so low? Why the hell do people keep on buying ****ing ipods?? (I'm serious about that last question by the way)

 

[koam]

Guys, it's okay, the console is $129.99. Remember, according to microsoft and sony, a wifi adapter is $100.

 

[Amir0x]

But that's really what it comes down to.

Graphics never guaranteed a good RE game, so in that respect, the Wii is worth it by virtue of getting an RE game rather than the console's power. It's true that I want more out of the system's hardware, but it's still worth it.

There are people who enjoy getting ripped off, and they will regardless if something pops out for them. Naturally, this will always be true. It still doesn't make a compelling case for value in any systems life, of course, how insane people determine their system purchases

 

[SyNapSe]

I think the $229 with 2 controllers and Wii Sports makes perfect sense. It makes sure everyone uses the Wii revoluationary features. A bit like MS giving away free Live subscriptions all the time with games, etc.

I'd say Nintendo is going to make enough off the extra hardware that they'll be fine. Controllers and 8000 accessories like the NES/SNES days where you are buying guns/bazooka's/robot guy-things & now classic controllers also + revenue from the VC.

I can't imagine they expect to charge full price for Wii sports. It seems like some mini-games built just to tout the multiplayer/wiimote fun factor of the Wii.

 

[mug]

$229

WiFi
Built in memory for saving and downloading
SD expansion slot

I'm satisfied - gimme some free virtual console games and the classic controller and I'll go reserve asap.

 

[datruth29]

Guys, it's okay, the console is $129.99. Remember, according to microsoft and sony, a wifi adapter is $100.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Chris Remo]

There are people who enjoy getting ripped off, and they will regardless if something pops out for them. Naturally, this will always be true. It still doesn't make a compelling case for value in any systems life, of course, how insane people determine their system purchases

Please don't assume I was trying to make an argument that the system is necessarily worth $239.99. I wasn't. I don't know what it'll be worth yet.

Also, it's worth bearing in mind that somebody's relative income has a big impact on this too. Some millionaire spending $800 on a console is nothing remarkable. I mean I suspect there are a lot of people in this world that could look at YOU and say you have no sense of value because of the hundreds or thousands of dollars you spend on video games. Again, none of this is absolute.

 

[cvxfreak]

There are people who enjoy getting ripped off, and they will regardless if something pops out for them. Naturally, this will always be true. It still doesn't make a compelling case for value in any systems life, of course, how insane people determine their system purchases

$229 for a 9.8 RE Wii >>> $99 for a 6.5 REX

 

[Amir0x]

Please don't assume I was trying to make an argument that the system is necessarily worth $239.99. I wasn't. I don't know what it'll be worth yet.

And on that same note, please don't assume I'm saying Wii is a rip off at $229.99. I think it's a tad more than it should be priced, but only as an annoyance... it's still cheap enough that it's not worth complaining about.

$229 for a 9.8 RE Wii >>> $99 for a 6.5 REX

I am contacting Capcom to make the Resident Evil console right now. 9.8 REs across the board, 24 hours a day 7 days a week!

 

[Mrbob]

I think an above $200 pricepoint goes against Nintendo's value stance though. Sure, it is cheaper than a PS3/360, but the system is more comparable to the PS2. If someone wants a cheap system they'll buy a $129 PS2.

 

[koam]

I have a question, what's "year end". Is that December 31st or is it March 31st? I remember they originally referred to "year end" as their fiscal year.

 

[cvxfreak]

I am contacting Capcom to make the Resident Evil console right now. 9.8 REs across the board, 24 hours a day 7 days a week!

Well on that note I spent $230 on the PAL RE4 GC pak last week!

 

[sprsk]

amirox is totally wrong about value.

also i will still get the wii at 229 but im im not gonna be happy about it!

just a bit of speculation though, if the pricing was the one thing they didnt remove then most likely its the least concrete of all the info, and probably whats likely the least true. So yeah, i wouldnt go out droppin another 30 on your preorder just yet there.

 

[datruth29]

I have a question, what's "year end". Is that December 31st or is it March 31st? I remember they originally referred to "year end" as their fiscal year.

If its fiscal, more then likely its March 31st.

 

[Silent_Echo]

I can't believe people are saying 199 is fine but 229 is rediculous. If 30 dollars is going to put you in that much of a financial bind, you shouldn't be spending 200 dollars on a video game system to begin with. Spend that money on something more worthwhile l.ike groceries.


And it's pretty stupid to assume you know what the Wii costs to manufacture in relation to what it costs. Depending on what is included, my guess being 2 controllers and Wii Sports, I wouldn't be surprised at 229 they would only be making 30 bucks a sale, if that.

Ami, if you put that much thought into how much money the manufacturer has in its product in relation to the amount of markup, you better never buy new furniture, any new jewelry, or even eat out at most restaurants, because at a minumum you are paying upwards of a 60% markup, and up to as much as 110% markup.

So I really don't consider 15-20% markup for a video game console to be out of line. And that is most likely high, because a large unknown is what the box will come packed with.

 

[koam]

If its fiscal, more then likely its March 31st.

That's pretty much my question, are they talking fiscal or year end here. 5.5 year end seems.. high.

 

[Chris Remo]

That's pretty much my question, are they talking fiscal or year end here. 5.5 year end seems.. high.

It can't be fiscal, because that would be a lowered expectation. Nintendo already set a goal of 6M units by fiscal year end.

 

[datruth29]

That's pretty much my question, are they talking fiscal or year end here. 5.5 year end seems.. high.

Usually if they talk about fiscal years, they usually would tell the reader their basing it on a fiscal year. I could be mistaken though.

 

[Amir0x]

It can't be fiscal, because that would be a lowered expectation. Nintendo already set a goal of 6M units by fiscal year end.

So did Sony... 6 million units by the end of FY2006 Worldwide.

5.5mil by the end of 2005 for Wii worldwide seems very obtainable.

 

[Y2Kev]

It can't be fiscal, because that would be a lowered expectation. Nintendo already set a goal of 6M units by fiscal year end.

The minute I read this sentence I thought of this :lol :lol

 

[koam]

It can't be fiscal, because that would be a lowered expectation. Nintendo already set a goal of 6M units by fiscal year end.

Awesome thanks, i thought they had said 5 mil by fiscal end. That means they'll probably ship 7 million by march 31st.

 

[TazedSoul]

I just wanted to clear up any confusion, as I saw someone mentioned AMN in this thread.

IGN and AMN both spoke to the same exact source at about the same time. We both ran our stories at about the same time, too.

Likewise, we were both asked to pull our stories for the same reasons.

Anyway, it seems that late October or early November is when we can expect Wii.

Phil

 

[Memles]

For me, $30 is not even close to a deal breaker; tech be damned, I'm interesting in owning the system and I'm not going to stress over $30.

However, at this price point, I am expecting $269 MAX Nintendo of Canada. If you attempt to push $279, you're just getting greedy. I'm not asking for the close to 90 cents...that would be asking too much. $269 puts us in at about 83 cents...it won't be below that anytime soon. It's safe, it's reliable. If they try to gouge us to $300? Well, it'll be equal to GCN's opening price, at least, but still not the least bit comforting.

$229 for System and 2 Controllers and a loaded demo of Wii Sports (Tennis only). Make it happen.

 

[koam]

For me, $30 is not even close to a deal breaker; tech be damned, I'm interesting in owning the system and I'm not going to stress over $30.

However, at this price point, I am expecting $269 MAX Nintendo of Canada. If you attempt to push $279, you're just getting greedy. I'm not asking for the close to 90 cents...that would be asking too much. $269 puts us in at about 83 cents...it won't be below that anytime soon. It's safe, it's reliable. If they try to gouge us to $300? Well, it'll be equal to GCN's opening price, at least, but still not the least bit comforting.

$229 for System and 2 Controllers and a loaded demo of Wii Sports (Tennis only). Make it happen.

Actually, Nintendo is pretty generous with exchange rates. You'll probably see it at $249 with some stores selling it for more. The cube was selling at $99 at a 1:1 exchange for the longest time.

 

[pilonv1]

I think an above $200 pricepoint goes against Nintendo's value stance though. Sure, it is cheaper than a PS3/360, but the system is more comparable to the PS2. If someone wants a cheap system they'll buy a $129 PS2.

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to raise this point. They're stuck in the middle between overpriced last gen hardware that will never compete with the PS2 library, and underpowered current gen hardware with a fancy controller. Of course if they add some value to the $229 pack then it looks better, but it does go against their usual stance.

 

[Johnas]

I just wanted to clear up any confusion, as I saw someone mentioned AMN in this thread.

IGN and AMN both spoke to the same exact source at about the same time. We both ran our stories at about the same time, too.

Likewise, we were both asked to pull our stories for the same reasons.

Anyway, it seems that late October or early November is when we can expect Wii.

Phil

And Zelda. *sigh*

 

[gjb-sensei]

Guys, it's okay, the console is $129.99. Remember, according to microsoft and sony, a wifi adapter is $100.

Exactly, finally someone who actually applies logic and sanity to this situation.

 

[gjb-sensei]

Anyway, it seems that late October or early November is when we can expect Wii.

It's about what I expect, really. They don't want to launch too close to the PLAYSTATION 3.

 

[AirBrian]

$30 is definitely not a deal-breaker, but slightly disappointing nonetheless...unless of course it comes with a second controller (wiimote or standard controller).

 

[Memles]

Actually, Nintendo is pretty generous with exchange rates. You'll probably see it at $249 with some stores selling it for more. The cube was selling at $99 at a 1:1 exchange for the longest time.

I don't see this continuing. There's $20 on the DS Lite (When it should be $13 or so), so I kind of just extrapolated that figure when deciding the exchange rate. I DEFINITELY do not see them pushing $250...no way $100 of difference is not going to net a greater price difference.

 

[Dimmuxx]

Why the hell do people keep on buying ****ing ipods?? (I'm serious about that last question by the way)

Because the design is really nice and the user interface is awesome compared to crappy creative players.

Btw, I'm gonna use 6000:- ~826$ to buy wii, wiimotes and games at launch so I don't care if the price is 200$, 229$, 249$ or 300$. We in Europe will get screwed anyways.

 

[Mrbob]

Exactly, finally someone who actually applies logic and sanity to this situation.

Not quite. Is the Wii coming with HDMI and a 40 GIG hdd?

 

[Ristamar]

I was hoping for $200 (which may still happen, like the N64 launch). However, if it's not a barebones package, it still might be of good value.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

So... I'm getting a system with souped up GCN specs, a brand new controller, a system with 512MB of memory built in, WiFi built in, likely free online and download services, and a bunch of great games at launch with the promise of many more to come, and it will cost me only $230? So sold it's not even funny.

Oh, and what if it comes with an extra controller (regular or Classic)? Or Wii Sports packaged in? Or some free VC downloads?

 

[Chopper_dave]

Article removed, so this is probably for real.

[/url]http://wii.ign.com/articles/723/723894p1.html

pulled?

 

[japtor]

The information about the 750CL is gone to.
http://homepage.mac.com/shinichi777/computer/index.html

never knew the 750 even had a suffix back then. i have that powerbook in my kitchen though!

if that gx successor line is true at all, the cl could be a typo. there is a 750gl:

The PowerPC 750GL die, functionality, timing, AC and DC electrical specifications, mechanical specifications, and errata are identical to those of the PowerPC 750GX dd1.2. The only differences from the PowerPC 750GX are in part number, application conditions, speed grade, power dissipation, and consumer grade reliability. The PowerPC 750GL is available only in a RoHS-compatible, reduced lead package.

i was too lazy to look through the pdfs, so this is the only other thing i could find that might be worth noting:

The new IBM PowerPC 750GL microprocessor is now available in limited sampling. The 750GL features lower price and power consumption than the 750GX; versions aimed at consumer applications will be available in 800MHz and 933MHz speed grades.

...but thats from june 2005.

 

[gjb-sensei]

Not quite. Is the Wii coming with HDMI and a 40 GIG hdd?

I was being sarcastic. No need to take everything so seriously.

 

[LM4sure]

$229 is a fantastic price. I'm there day one!!!

 

[.dmc]

Nintendo is probably selling the console at pretty close to cost, just because there is an industry culture of loss leading doesn't make that any poorer value. Besides, which is better value? $400 for a new console with 3+ games or $400 for a console + no games? Or $500 for a gimped console with no games? Which initial investment of $400 do you think will give you the more enjoyment?

 

[Moneyhats2k5]

Exactly, finally someone who actually applies logic and sanity to this situation.

How much for the ethernet adapter though haters? :lol :lol :lol

Last time I checked, Wired > Wifi in terms of popularity. Not everyone has Wifi, but everyone has a wired connection of some kind.

 

[ironichaos]

Jump to conclusions mat! :lol

Sersiously, how can you guys make final judgements based on 'rumors'.

This also considering we don't yet know the extent of peripherals that will or will not be bundled with Wii...your perspective of whether it's worth the price (the confirmed one) will change!

*sigh*