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[Aaronrules380]

I never claimed or in any way inferred that sales data would turn around in a day, nor did I say anything to even remotely indicate a belief that games would be released at E3.

Your response has absolutely no relation to what I wrote, and even taken on its own is nothing but platitudes.

Well then what "quantifiable data" is there? Of course there's not quantifiable data for this type of stuff. There are so many confounding factors that quantifiable data would be hard to gather in the first place. We can only make assumptions based on our own observations and vague numbers like this because even when actual market research does occur it's pretty much guaranteed to be done internally by companies and not really released to the public.

 

[AniHawk]

However, it was an open poll for all to partake.

this is just like when obama won only because more people voted for him

i just don't get the complaint. you say it's an open vote so then why couldn't sony fans show up in droves? sony won the same poll last year with 59% of the vote. ign has sections dedicated to each major platform so it's not like they inherently favor one hardware developer over the other, unless peer schneider's putting in subliminal messages or something.

 

[Tookay]

.....

Which was my point. I don't know IGN's biases but I doubt it was leaning towards Nintendo. However, it was an open poll for all to partake.

I'd argue the site's biases mirrors its readership.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Let's see if it translates to hardware unit sales.

Why does that matter? The show was amazing and at least us dedicated gamers know it.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Those other people don't even watch E3 either way lol. This is just a poll showing that people on IGN really liked what Nintendo did so it obviously isn't going to reflect a large amount of the gaming community or sales.

I agree, which is why I was disagreeing with the comments that I quoted which seemed to argue otherwise.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

this is just like when obama won only because more people voted for him

or like that time GWB won when mo

wait


shit

 

[Ansatz]

Nice to see that people responded to Nintendo's down to earth, let's please fans of our style of games and have fun attitude. They communicated that perfectly, it was like zoning out for awhile feeling content, not aware of anything going on outside the bubble. The other conferences had good moments but in between kept reminding me of the bad shit happening that placed me back into the depressing reality, for example fake audience cheering, announcing new games without showing gameplay and exclusive content.

 

[Windom Earle]

It's quite amusing how the importance of sales on this forum has shifted since the Wii era between the different console supporter camps...

Anyway, I agree with the poll, Nintendo had the best showing. Of course we can't take away too much from it, but it's another positive sign for Nintendo. They are doing the right thing with the Wii U and the machine is a beast in terms of exclusives. For me it's the perfect addition to my PC.

 

[orochi91]

Well deserved. Nintendo was amazing this year.

In fact, I would prefer Sony do a digital event rather than the frustrating staged
shows like this year's. That way you won't get ridiculous segments like Powers
and CEO back story.

Also, companies should attempt to imitate that Treehouse coverage.

 

[Mysterious]

What were the categories? Sorry, I can't check the video out yet.



Why? Not everything is about sales, you know.

Without sales, Nintendo will by default have a smaller budget to produce hardware and software. Eventually, if sales decline, they will become bankrupt. So sales are absolutely important.

 

[Sylverstone14]

Most of Nintendo's showing looks like quantity over quality. All of their new franchises were C-tier at best, most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price, and their game reveal method was awkward and annoying (a 45 minute Direct followed by a 30 minute hunt of find the news, with one reveal or two the next day max).

Here we go again with this "eShop games aren't real games" mentality.

 

[Kageshinzo]

Haha, Nintendo and its fans will take any kind of "win" at this point, I suppose.

And Nintendo detractors will always find a way to put the system down. Now you tell me, which is more pathetic?

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Well then what "quantifiable data" is there? Of course there's not quantifiable data for this type of stuff. There are so many confounding factors that quantifiable data would be hard to gather in the first place. We can only make assumptions based on our own observations and vague numbers like this because even when actual market research does occur it's pretty much guaranteed to be done internally by companies and not really released to the public.

Sales is the quantifiable data. If you are arguing that sales do not reflect the public perception of a product, then we simply have different views on reality.

 

[Shockhog]

As usual, any shred of positivity regarding Nintendo leads to unrelated, meaningless discussion of sales.

IGN readers liked Nintendo's showing. That's all that can be gathered from this. I'm happy to see positive reactions because it's clear that the folks at NoA put some real effort into their showing this year.

 

[Askherserenity]

It's quite amusing how the importance of sales on this forum has shifted since the Wii era between the different console supporter camps...

Anyway, I agree with the poll, Nintendo had the best showing. Of course we can't take away too much from it, but it's another positive sign for Nintendo. They are doing the right thing with the Wii U and the machine is a beast in terms of exclusives. For me it's the perfect addition to my PC.

I know. Love that combo.

#blessed

 

[Replicant]

this is just like when obama won only because more people voted for him

Did you just compare Obama's election (aka USA presidential election), which requires people to formally register and be citizen of US to vote, to an online poll which doesn't require you to do anything but vote?

I'd argue the site's biases mirrors its readership.

Well....in that case you may want to read up some of the boards to see the biases in question. There have been some similar polls conducted in its board:

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/poll-who-won-e3.454042713/
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/the-official-who-won-e3-2014-poll-big-three-edition.454043299/

I mean, it's probably not indicative of its population but there seems to be large Nintendo fans over there.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Eh. People who think Nintendo stole the show outright or changed E3 forever are on the Kool Aid a bit. They might have had the best showing, but it's more because Sony screwed up their presentation than Nintendo had a crazy great one. What Sony actually had to show, in my opinion, was at least as interesting to me as what Nintendo had to show.

Most of Nintendo's showing looks like quantity over quality. All of their new franchises were C-tier at best, most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price, and their game reveal method was awkward and annoying (a 45 minute Direct followed by a 30 minute hunt of find the news, with one reveal or two the next day max). They didn't commit to pushing all of their announcements all at once, and they didn't commit to spreading them all out -- they had an bad in-between.

The Treehouse thing was good, but people saying this is a revolutionary event to change E3 forever are on drugs. The press conference is going to die in the next few years regardless of what Nintendo does, and although they had the best stream, they were far from the only company with an all day stream. This just shows they had the best head start.

It's the other way around.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Sales is the quantifiable data. If you are arguing that sales do not reflect the public perception of a product, then we simply have different views on reality.

Sales tells us very little about what the effects of E3's press conference were because those effects
1. Aren't immediate
2. Can be counteracted by later occurences
3. Are confounded with a shit ton of other things

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

Meanwhile, with the press

In Kyle we trust

 

[foxuzamaki]

That's awesome.

 

[dragonknight337]

this is just like when obama won only because more people voted for him

i just don't get the complaint. you say it's an open vote so then why couldn't sony fans show up in droves? sony won the same poll last year with 59% of the vote. ign has sections dedicated to each major platform so it's not like they inherently favor one hardware developer over the other, unless peer schneider's putting in subliminal messages or something.

Well, CLEARLY Wii U owners have nothing else to do but hang out online stuffing polls!


But in reality, a nice case of "I'm-mad-this-poll-didn't-go-my-way-itis"

Nintendo had a fun conference, and the Treehouse was the best part of e3 as far as company presentations. It'll be okay, bro.

 

[Tookay]

Well....in that case you may want to read up some of the boards to see the biases in question. There have been some similar polls conducted in its board:

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/poll-who-won-e3.454042713/
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/the-official-who-won-e3-2014-poll-big-three-edition.454043299/

I mean, it's probably not indicative of its population but there seems to be large Nintendo fans over there.

Don't really feel like two polls sampling 35 users is enough to get a feel for where IGN readers usually stand on the console wars.

 

[culafia]

You couldn't understand the obvious sarcasm despite it being spoilered and with a heart (<3) at the end? Which was only said because you compared anyone who thought Nintendo did better than Sony or Microsoft at E3 to a group that committed murder-suicide just because this poll disagreed with your opinion?

Because that seems like the opposite of mild to me.



PS4's still doing worse, and the Xbox One hasn't even been released there, so that's kind of pointless.

Calm down and stop being sensationalist. It's a commonly used phrase for someone being drastically unreasonable in their praise of something (which you can see in the very Wikipedia link you posted), which I believe is the case. And no, I wasn't referring to people who simply thought Nintendo did better at E3 -- something I admitted immediately after if you read what I had to say. I was saying that people who thought Nintendo stole the show with no room for debate are being drastically unreasonable in their praise, and used a well-known, now mild figure of speech to state that.

And yes, mild exaggerated sarcasm can be used to respond to mild exaggerated sarcasm.

I'll stop now since this is a little too off topic, but nothing I said was unreasonable and nothing I said merits any actual offense.

 

[Mysterious]

Sales tells us very little about what the effects of E3's press conference were because those effects
1. Aren't immediate
2. Can be counteracted by later occurences
3. Are confounded with a shit ton of other things

Yup. The people who buy a console based on a E3 presentation is very small, almost unquantifiable. The sales will come much later, when the software showcased is released.... in 2015 for all three consoles.

 

[AniHawk]

Well deserved. Nintendo was amazing this year.

In fact, I would prefer Sony do a digital event rather than the frustrating staged
shows like this year's. That way you won't get ridiculous segments like Powers
and CEO back story.

Also, companies should attempt to imitate that Treehouse coverage.

sony needs to decide if they're going to make a movie or have a press conference.

if they're going to make a press conference that's great. just stream it to nerds like me and make it 1.5 hours long with lots of rad sales data cut up with a few trailers of video games or just general information that can be relayed back to me by the super cool dudes in the auditorium.

if they're going to make a movie that's great. show it in theaters and don't make it longer than the land before time because i have the attention span of a small child. but like the land before time, have things like pacing and stuff happen that i actually care about and get a kickass score from james horner.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Sorry if it read that way. But I meant a change in some of the public perception of Nintendo. Nothing else.

That seems quite reasonable. I agree with you in so much as they were able to change the manner in which they were being discussed in the video game media. They fired out a bunch of game announcements that were generally very well received.

I think most of that comes from their conference firing up their fan base more so than bringing in more fans, but its certainly the case that at least here on GAF Nintendo has become a much bigger presence since E3.

Similarly, I think this poll reflects a Nintendo base that is more engaged than they were a few months ago.

 

[Sandfox]

Sales is the quantifiable data. If you are arguing that sales do not reflect the public perception of a product, then we simply have different views on reality.

People could like the conference the most, but still prefer the overall packages of the other consoles more, so in this instance I think you could make an argument for both sides.

Without sales, Nintendo will by default have a smaller budget to produce hardware and software. Eventually, if sales decline, they will become bankrupt. So sales are absolutely important.

The conference introduced a decent amount of new stuff so there will probably be a positive effect on sales even if it ends up not being all that big. Either way this is just an IGN poll asking which conference people liked the most so...

 

[Nintendojitsu]

Good for them.

 

[Mysterious]

The conference introduced a decent amount of new stuff so there will probably be a positive effect on sales even if it ends up not being all that big. Either way this is just an IGN poll asking which conference people liked the most so...

Meh. All I commented on was that it would be interesting to see if this stuff will save Wii U, so that I can continue to get games like Super Mario Galaxy 3 and other big budget games from Nintendo.

 

[AniHawk]

Did you just compare Obama's election (aka USA presidential election), which requires people to formally register and be citizen of US to vote, to an online poll which doesn't require you to do anything but vote?

yes, and it was done to great comedic effect. thank you for noticing.

Well....in that case you may want to read up some of the boards to see the biases in question. There have been some similar polls conducted in its board:

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/poll-who-won-e3.454042713/
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/the-official-who-won-e3-2014-poll-big-three-edition.454043299/

I mean, it's probably not indicative of its population but there seems to be large Nintendo fans over there.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/15/who-is-winning-e3

i mean i only stopped taking math classes at calculus a, but i think 300,000 > 41. the crocodile eats the bigger number because he's hungry. or was it alligator. shit maybe i'm not that good at this.

 

[Ansatz]

Without sales, Nintendo will by default have a smaller budget to produce hardware and software. Eventually, if sales decline, they will become bankrupt. So sales are absolutely important.

Nintendo will probably attain a sustainable sweetspot with a single software platform and multiple form factors that sells maybe 50m units per cycle. Games will be budgeted accordingly which means less 3D Adventure games with high production values, and the way they are structured and sold will probably change as well. Basically they will strike a balance that allows them to get by but investors won't be happy about that due to the lack of significant growth, but that's why projects like QoL exist.

 

[Replicant]

Don't really feel like two polls sampling 35 users is enough to get a feel for where IGN readers usually stand on the console wars.

Of course not, which is why I said it's probably not a representation of its population. But you did insinuate the site's biases mirror its readership and I was only pointing out examples of the kind of bias exist in the message board. It shows that more Nintendo fans seem to exist OR they seem more willing to vote for that kind of poll.

Either way, enjoy this for what it's worth. Sorry if I seem to rain on the parade.

yes, and it was done to great comedic effect. thank you for noticing.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/15/who-is-winning-e3

i mean i only stopped taking math classes at calculus a, but i think 300,000 > 41. the crocodile eats the bigger number because he's hungry. or was it alligator. shit maybe i'm not that good at this.

Honestly? You're not really good at comedy (it just ends up being confusing/awkward) but I take your point.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

I think I agree. Not that other showings were bad. Sony showing off Bloodborne and No Man's Sky (which is apparently a console exclusive for now) as well as the Grim Fandango announcement were enough to put them in a solid 2nd place.

But this felt nearly like a return to form for Nintendo. They showed off a lot of games and *gasp* even a new IP as their headliner. I want to see if this was a fluke or if they can do the same thing next year.

The console market is a business built upon momentum, not single victories. Nintendo needs to keep pushing forward. I honestly believe the Wii U could match the sales of the N64 if they keep the train moving forward. Unfortunately, Zelda U is probably the last big game on Wii U, or perhaps Metroid. I think Nintendo will run out of steam too quickly for the momentum to keep going.

 

[illmatic22]

IGN is now Nintendoland eh? Okay goodnight. I'm good.

 

[Interceptor]

Eh. People who think Nintendo stole the show outright or changed E3 forever are on the Kool Aid a bit. They might have had the best showing, but it's more because Sony screwed up their presentation than Nintendo had a crazy great one. What Sony actually had to show, in my opinion, was at least as interesting to me as what Nintendo had to show.

Most of Nintendo's showing looks like quantity over quality. All of their new franchises were C-tier at best, most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price, and their game reveal method was awkward and annoying (a 45 minute Direct followed by a 30 minute hunt of find the news, with one reveal or two the next day max). They didn't commit to pushing all of their announcements all at once, and they didn't commit to spreading them all out -- they had an bad in-between.

The Treehouse thing was good, but people saying this is a revolutionary event to change E3 forever are on drugs. The press conference is going to die in the next few years regardless of what Nintendo does, and although they had the best stream, they were far from the only company with an all day stream. This just shows they had the best head start.

 

[AniHawk]

(it just ends up being confusing)

at least the voices still laugh.

 

[PlumCantaloupe]

Eh. People who think Nintendo stole the show outright or changed E3 forever are on the Kool Aid a bit. They might have had the best showing, but it's more because Sony screwed up their presentation than Nintendo had a crazy great one. What Sony actually had to show, in my opinion, was at least as interesting to me as what Nintendo had to show.

Most of Nintendo's showing looks like quantity over quality. All of their new franchises were C-tier at best, most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price, and their game reveal method was awkward and annoying (a 45 minute Direct followed by a 30 minute hunt of find the news, with one reveal or two the next day max). They didn't commit to pushing all of their announcements all at once, and they didn't commit to spreading them all out -- they had an bad in-between.

The Treehouse thing was good, but people saying this is a revolutionary event to change E3 forever are on drugs. The press conference is going to die in the next few years regardless of what Nintendo does, and although they had the best stream, they were far from the only company with an all day stream. This just shows they had the best head start.

Did someone's brain just blow up?

Spoiler

Oh, just mine ... wow time to leave

 

[casiopao]

Meh. All I commented on was that it would be interesting to see if this stuff will save Wii U, so that I can continue to get games like Super Mario Galaxy 3 and other big budget games from Nintendo.

U do know, Ninty just announced, new open world Legend of Zelda for Wii U right? And Smash Bros? Hell even 3D world just come out right???

Here we go again with this "eShop games aren't real games" mentality.

And these people are also people who claimed that the hypest game on E3 is No Man Sky..... Indie games???

 

[FloweryMarston]

People being this salty over a poll. Damn gaf, stop being silly. More sales, more games. Nintendo did a lot for me in this E3, they never bored me, i had the stream on for 3 consecutive days. Meanwhile the other two had great E3, but their event ended monday. So yeah, nintendo winning is great for the other companies look at what they did right and make an E3 more accessible to everyone. I don't see why nintendo having good press to them at e3 is bad for anyone that loves games.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Sales tells us very little about what the effects of E3's press conference were because those effects
1. Aren't immediate
2. Can be counteracted by later occurences
3. Are confounded with a shit ton of other things

I absolutely agree, which is why I think this is a misunderstanding that could be cleared up with a quick review of my first comment and those comments that I was quoting and responding to.

Maybe the next NPD will indicate a big turn around for Nintendo, I don't know, but that was not what I was commenting on. I was replying specifically to the comments I quoted which either implied or insisted that things had already drastically changed for Nintendo.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

It's still only an internet poll on a dedicated gaming website.

 

[JDSN]

Also, statistically speaking a 100k+ sample is pretty good.

Here we go again with this "eShop games aren't real games" mentality.

He seems to be saying Splatoon and Captain Toad are not games, which is actually funnier.

 

[AdanVC]

Totally well desserved. Doing a pre-recorded presentation and 3 consecutive days of broadcast was such an excellent concept. It was fresh, it was fast-paced, it was entertaining and more importantly, it had the games. After this I really consider Press Conferences a thing of the past. Congrats, Nintendo

 

[Cbajd5]

Calm down and stop being sensationalist. It's a commonly used phrase for someone being drastically unreasonable in their praise of something (which you can see in the very Wikipedia link you posted), which I believe is the case. And no, I wasn't referring to people who simply thought Nintendo did better at E3 -- something I admitted immediately after if you read what I had to say. I was saying that people who thought Nintendo stole the show with no room for debate are being drastically unreasonable in their praise, and used a well-known, now mild figure of speech to state that.

And yes, mild exaggerated sarcasm can be used to respond to mild exaggerated sarcasm.

I'll stop now since this is a little too off topic, but nothing I said was unreasonable and nothing I said merits any actual offense.

But nothing in this poll suggests that Nintendo "stole the show with no room for debate", only that they did better than Microsoft and Sony. And you compared those people to a group that committed murder-suicide for having a perfectly normal opinion based on most reactions. They aren't being unreasonable in saying that Nintendo did better than Sony or Microsoft, which is why such a saying is entirely inappropriate as well, especially since you opened your original post with it and doubled down on it afterwards.

If your first thought to praise for Nintendo is that anyone who agrees with it is willing to kill others and themselves over it then there's something seriously wrong with you. And pointing out what you did isn't being sensationalist.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Why? Not everything is about sales, you know.

Being a successful videogame console maker requires successful hardware sales at least from any business perspective

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Well it's a poll for people who didn't go to E3.

I definitely felt that Nintendo's area wasn't that great as it lacked variety.

 

[AniHawk]

Well it's a poll for people who didn't go to E3.

I definitely felt that Nintendo's area wasn't that great as it lacked variety.

one thing i thought it was lacking was some smash bros. kiosks. there was room where captain toad, yoshi, and mario maker was being shown where they could have put in some of those.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Nintendo E3 and the World Cup made June one hell of a month. A great distraction while studying for the bar

 

[Lothars]

I don't feel nintendo had the best e3 but the conference and tree house were a good idea that worked. I also don't think the sales will make much difference.

 

[catmario]

But most important thing than this thing is sales data.

Nintendo takes handheld sales, but losing everything on Wii U and 3DS is not that being big success.

Sony takes console sales, but losing everything on VITA.

That's interesting.