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IGN: Why Are Some IGN Readers Passing on Xbox One?
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Zatoichi's Cane
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Why I chose PS4 in no particular order:
- No idiotic Kinnect requirement (I can't stress this enough)
- A console that focuses on gaming!
- No half assed media box, that can't even control a DVR (how is it supposed to be your primary media box?!?!?!)
- I Don't trust Microsoft, no always-on Camera/Mic in my living room!!!
- Price (I would have gladly paid $500, so this is a bonus)
- Redesigned controller
- PS + value (playing Battlefield 3, Saints Row 3, Uncharted 3 for free as we speak!)
- PS3 games
- Ability to watch friends game, play his game....
Under a rock (work/school). I missed E3 so some of these things are still new to me.
I don't think many expected that MS's new console would be the expensive one. I certainly didn't. Even though they removed the DRM I still see no reason to buy the Xbone over the PS4. Specially at that price.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
lol, ok then. Vote with your wallet sir.
I'm grabbing both consoles. I think they both have pros and cons and I like some of what MS is doing on the TV side (as much as people make fun of it). We'll see which I play more when games come out.
Well it's nice to know I don't have to take your opinion serious going forward.
At least this thread is good for sorting out those with legit concerns/issues and those who are just filled with hate and shouldn't be taken serious.
Surprisingly I'm actually having a bit of a hard time talking my friends into getting a PS4 instead of the Xbone and the games are the number one reason why.
DaveTheSnake
Member
http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/16/why-are-some-ign-readers-passing-on-xbox-one
UPDATE:
Since IGN have presented the stats in a way that's not so obvious to compare here's the comparison with PS4.
Will purchase at launch or within the first year:
PS4 = 80%
XBOX One = 39%
There is no way that this article is true. IGN does not have 30,000 readers.
Edit: I will purchase PS4 before Xbone, not sure if in the first year though.
Interesting. Aren't the launch titles practically the same aside from an exclusive or two?
I work in market research and we recently surveyed over 6000 gamers in Europe and the result was pretty interesting around the purchase of next gen consoles.
Let me put it this way, there are more 360 owners who plan to buy the PS4 rather than the next Xbox! Even more surprising was that this is also the case in the UK.
And we didn't necessary recruit "hardcore" gamers either.
Let me put it this way, there are more 360 owners who plan to buy the PS4 rather than the next Xbox! Even more surprising was that this is also the case in the UK.
And we didn't necessary recruit "hardcore" gamers either.
SwiftDeath
Member
But doesn't this argument conflict with what you said earlier?
So I guess your argument is the difference in strategy between Nintendo and Microsoft?
That the X1 is an all-in-one entertainment system and thus better suited to casuals?
I was under the impression that the Wii U actually had a pretty good TV functionality? (Remote control etc.)
As well as a lot of the top streaming services etc. as per usual
My problem was Nintendo had terrible marketing over the course of the Wii U's life
As I've said elsewhere I have yet to see truly impressive advertising by MS but it's still early (I have seen X1 commercials but don't think they do a good job of appealing to the masses)
Sony has done very well advertising to hard cores and early adopters, not sure on the masses for them either
Lordwindowlicker
Member
Because I still don't trust it.
Interesting. Did you also gather what the primary reason cited for people choosing the PS4 over the Xbone and vice versa?
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
So Price is the biggest concern? So we can expect the Xbox One to start selling like hot cakes whenever it gets a price drop.
I wonder how this will translate to the average family during the Holidays, curious to see how it plays out, I still firmly expect Sony to sell more systems, because it is $100 cheaper, but I'm curious to see if people will be willing to drop $500 on an Xbox One instead.
I really don't see Microsoft being boned with the Xbox One, if they're being honest when they say they aren't competing with Sony, Microsoft probably knows and expect to not beat Sony this year, or next year. Microsoft is just going to try their best to not pull a Wii U, and at this rate, it's not a bad attempt. They'll have, if we want to use this poll as hard facts, 50% the size of Sony's fanbase, and we can expect it to rise if they keep doing what they're doing. Next year when the Xbox One drops in price (which, is apparently the main concern), and Halo is released, and CoD is released (Most likely being Next Gen only at this point?) having exclusive DLC, well... I'm 100% sure Xbox One sales will sky rocket.
I also haven't seen the marketing going behind these systems yet, I honestly expect Microsoft to throw away more money for marketing and advertising then Sony, Microsoft is going to try their best to make it seem like the Xbox One is the ONLY next gen console.
I wonder how this will translate to the average family during the Holidays, curious to see how it plays out, I still firmly expect Sony to sell more systems, because it is $100 cheaper, but I'm curious to see if people will be willing to drop $500 on an Xbox One instead.
I really don't see Microsoft being boned with the Xbox One, if they're being honest when they say they aren't competing with Sony, Microsoft probably knows and expect to not beat Sony this year, or next year. Microsoft is just going to try their best to not pull a Wii U, and at this rate, it's not a bad attempt. They'll have, if we want to use this poll as hard facts, 50% the size of Sony's fanbase, and we can expect it to rise if they keep doing what they're doing. Next year when the Xbox One drops in price (which, is apparently the main concern), and Halo is released, and CoD is released (Most likely being Next Gen only at this point?) having exclusive DLC, well... I'm 100% sure Xbox One sales will sky rocket.
I also haven't seen the marketing going behind these systems yet, I honestly expect Microsoft to throw away more money for marketing and advertising then Sony, Microsoft is going to try their best to make it seem like the Xbox One is the ONLY next gen console.
krypt0nian
Banned
I think a lot of people are going to be surprised on how this all will turn out for the first year unless Microsoft (who is seeing this trend, believe me) does some serious community repair work.
Oh yeah, Wii U is doing miserably. No doubt about that. The hardcore is not the end all be all. But that said, part of Wii U's problem is that it -isn't- want the hardcore want. It's yet again a generation behind its competitor; it again has virtually no meaningful third party support outside of Platinum Games and Sonic. It is again a system defined by gimmicks.
I think if Nintendo would have taken the time to listen to the hardcore a little more, they wouldn't be in a situation as dire as they currently are re: Wii U. They'd still probably be in trouble, but they wouldn't be in a 'holy shit this is basically unprecedentedly bad' situation
Well here is my E3 2013 Summary Topic if you want to get at least moderately caught up. It's a pretty good resource. Obviously it's impossible for me to find every shred of news, but it's the bulk of the big stuff. (Although all of this was before the DRM reversal, so take that into account)
UV-6 said:
Would love to see the break down of that survey T_T
Yeah from what we know so far. The games they keep on mentioning are Dead Rising 3 and Killer Instinct, along with the ability to still play games like BF4 at 60fps. I was able to talk most of them into getting PS3, though some were really late this gen, but I'm usually at odds with them when discussing PS3 exclusives. I'm loving TLoU for example but they certainly don't feel the same. I think it's this difference in opinions of exclusives that is affecting their next gen decision. They don't have any interest in the Second Son or KZ:SF. I've never been invested in the Infamous series, though I own part 1 and plan to get part 2 before the launch of the PS4, so I can't really argue with their opinion there. KZ2 hasn't been popular with my friends even though I enjoyed the game. The laggy controls and linear level design is the most common complaints and I can't really argue with either of them even if I wasn't bothered by these design choices.
On top of the software preference, they prefer Live to PSN. I tried to tell them that things could be different next gen, where both services are closer in parity, but they are playing a wait and see on this. On the plus side (no pun intended) they do think PSN+ is a great value =p
Honestly, I can see why anyone would prefer either console, they both offer enough for gamers to be happy IMO. It's just a matter of preference and priorities. I want a PS4 first because I know it'll receive the best version of multi-platform titles and it's $100 cheaper. Unfortunately most of my friends may be going in the opposite direction.
Unfortunately I'm under NDA so I can't reveal too much but the main reasons were a general preference of the console (look, features - a lot of people were clued in about PS4 having better specs) and of course the price.
SwiftDeath
Member
I don't suppose you could give any more information who the survey was done for or why?
That's likely under NDA too.......
CouldBeWorse
Member
After Microsoft's policy change, the two systems did get a lot closer in feature sets, but it's not fair to say there's no differentiating points that might matter to some people (they just don't matter to you so you act as if they don't exist). If there weren't any differentiating factors, it would be an objective decision and everyone would just get a PS4.
That's clearly not happening, so you have to look at why (note that this doesn't include launch lineups, which we'll agree to disagree about being a wash):
1. Kinect - Most of us don't care about it but some people might. Since it's built in to every system, it will get a hell of a lot more use than Sony's DOA Eye. At the very least, the voice commands have the potential to be useful.
2. Services - Microsoft has a broader range of apps today, but that gap will mostly narrow next generation with a few notable exceptions. It remains to be seen whether Microsoft will match the value of PS+ (or whether Sony will reduce the value going forward), but most betting men would bet on Sony having more bang for the buck. However, Microsoft's actual online functionality has always been stronger and more full-featured than Sony's, and it only gets better with the dedicated servers (that Sony might or might not match). And presumably, someone out there could actually care about the TV/ESPN/Fantasy stuff, though in its current state, it's borderline useless to most people. Gaikai is a wild card but no one really knows about it outside of the core and it's not coming until some point in 2014.
3. Account Carryover - Some people could prefer to carry over their profile/achievements/trophies/friends within the same ecosystem.
4. Post-Launch Known Exclusives - Halo is still huge. Titanfall has a ton of buzz. Most of the other exclusives we know about are untested or fairly middle of the road (sales-wise, that is). Indies are nice for Sony but Microsoft still has THE indie game to rule all indie games.
5. Future Unknown Exclusives - This is where Sony has the assumed edge, though Microsoft's big investments could get them closer to having some kind of parity with Sony, though I wouldn't hold my breath.
flyinpiranha
Member
I think MS really ruined the good faith they had with the gaming community. They wanted that Apple pie where they could take a cut of all the used games and monitor/control what was going into our system and how we got it. It's going to eventually happen I think, but you can't do it when you're the ONLY one doing it.
I was a pretty big MS fan this generation. Live was everything I could hoped it would be and was easily worth it, not so much during the last 2 years because the competition caught up but I was already entrenched in a marketplace at that point and it was still worth it. But I haven't had it for months at this point.
Moving forward, since nobody gives a fuck about how much money I spent on their DD games and services, I'm choosing based on no past loyalties. Clean slate for both (even though I love Halo and Forza) and the PS4 comes out in front for price, features, hardware, and as a huge 3rd party fan for games, the exclusives aren't what usually sells me on a system.
There definitely is a 'vibe' and the NSA releases isn't helping. I don't know if it will eventually rebound. I imagine any amount of marketing can sway public opinion but will it be too late? PS4 is building momentum, we have honestly only had the $5/month/PS+ for MP as the only 'bad' news. While MS has backtracked, misinformed, and have been shown to be a willing participant in NSA dealings all while trying to sell us a camera that is always on.
I just want a fucking game machine. Sony seems to be making that. I will wait out the XB1 to see what happens because after what they've shown, it's like a dog that growls and barks at you and then the owner says "nah, he's totally cool, go ahead and pet him!" and you slowly reach out your hand to pet him, wondering if he'll bite you at every moment.
I was a pretty big MS fan this generation. Live was everything I could hoped it would be and was easily worth it, not so much during the last 2 years because the competition caught up but I was already entrenched in a marketplace at that point and it was still worth it. But I haven't had it for months at this point.
Moving forward, since nobody gives a fuck about how much money I spent on their DD games and services, I'm choosing based on no past loyalties. Clean slate for both (even though I love Halo and Forza) and the PS4 comes out in front for price, features, hardware, and as a huge 3rd party fan for games, the exclusives aren't what usually sells me on a system.
There definitely is a 'vibe' and the NSA releases isn't helping. I don't know if it will eventually rebound. I imagine any amount of marketing can sway public opinion but will it be too late? PS4 is building momentum, we have honestly only had the $5/month/PS+ for MP as the only 'bad' news. While MS has backtracked, misinformed, and have been shown to be a willing participant in NSA dealings all while trying to sell us a camera that is always on.
I just want a fucking game machine. Sony seems to be making that. I will wait out the XB1 to see what happens because after what they've shown, it's like a dog that growls and barks at you and then the owner says "nah, he's totally cool, go ahead and pet him!" and you slowly reach out your hand to pet him, wondering if he'll bite you at every moment.
Yeah, goes to show how few people on this poll know what they're talking about.
Microsoft said that they would receive no money from used games dealings, even on games they publish (which would have no restrictions). It was only for other publishers, so that online passes and other such nonsense wouldn't be needed and would be a direct part of the system software.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sure, the XBO has some negative press, but if the exclusive games like Halo ONE (or whatever its called) gets great reviews and so does Titanfall, etc. they'll be just fine.
They're taking a calculated risk on Kinect technology that may or may not pan out, but unlike the Wii U, they've also got the underlying hardware in the box to compete with the PS4 on multiplats even if the Kinect strategy doesn't pan out.
They're taking a calculated risk on Kinect technology that may or may not pan out, but unlike the Wii U, they've also got the underlying hardware in the box to compete with the PS4 on multiplats even if the Kinect strategy doesn't pan out.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
- No idiotic Kinect requirement (I can't stress this enough)
Fair.
- A console that focuses on gaming!
Somebody missed E3.
- No half assed media box, that can't even control a DVR (how is it supposed to be your primary media box?!?!?!)
And the PS4 can? It's not that Microsoft can't do DVR, it's that Microsoft needs permission from cable providers to do so. The Xbox One is not meant to replace your existing cable box.
- I Don't trust Microsoft, no always-on Camera/Mic in my living room!!!
Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind. People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time.
- Price (I would have gladly paid $500, so this is a bonus)
Fair. Personally I believe the Xbox One is a better value, but I'm actually looking forward to the Kinect functionality. For someone who isn't, they'd just be wasting money.
- Redesigned controller
Fair, though I would disagree and say Xbox One's controller is still better designed.
- PS + value (playing Battlefield 3, Saints Row 3, Uncharted 3 for free as we speak!)
Fair. PlayStation Plus games are a great deal. I really should subscribe.
- PS3 games
You mean the ones PS4 can't play? Gaikai could pull something off, but neither next-gen console is backwards compatible with your existing collection.
- Ability to watch friends game, play his game....
Xbox One can do the first part too. Second part is a fair reason, though I don't personally see much value in being able to commandeer a friend's game. Most games feature co-op. If the trend catches on, it shouldn't be too hard for the Xbox One games to implement the feature. Microsoft has the power of the cloud too.
Both consoles are extremely similar.
Games should be your deciding factor, and that's why I'm getting both. There's games on both consoles I want to play.
NightAntilli
Banned
Digital Download Speed as a reason... Lolwut?
SymbolicGamer
Banned
You know how hard it is to get internet reception in a freaking submarine? This is a major issue.
This is a great post, though I think it's too early to judge either controller until I've used them on various games.
Honestly anyone who still thinks MS doesn't have a focus on games after E3 is only believing what they want to believe.
SwiftDeath
Member
Definitely, both controllers have been changed quite a bit, Dualshock obviously more so
Anyone who uses controller as a complaint now without having tried both DS4 and X1 controller are talking too soon imo
MS has A focus on gaming but not sure its their primary focus
That worries me a little but will wait and see on that
Sony has been very upfront about their priorities
Both consoles really aren't that similar, though. Everything from little nuances on the individual controllers to big picture items, there are a vast number of genuinely big differences between the system that make forming a preference extremely easy.
● Kinect 2.0 mandatory vs. PS Camera Optional
● No Self-Publishing vs. Self-Publishing
● "Intentionally didn't target the highest end specs" vs. As powerful as money allowed
● Haptic Feedback Triggers vs. PS4 Touch Pad
● Asymmetric Analog Sticks vs. Symmetric Analog Sticks
● New Improved D-Pad vs. Light Indicator (Health, Etc) and Controller Speaker
● No Headset Packed-in vs. Headset Packed-in
● $499.99 vs. $399.99
● Snap/HBO Go/Tried-and-True Online infrastructure vs. PS+ value; critical integration of Share feature
● "Power of Cloud" for dedicated servers, some low level enhancements for games vs. "Power of Cloud" for streaming PS1, PS2 or PS3 games
● All-in-One-Entertainment Device vs. "A system for the gamers, by the gamers."
● Does not allow previous gen peripherals; proprietary set up forces reset vs. 98% of your peripherals from last-gen should work
● Paywall for basically everything vs. Paywall for multiplayer only; free-to-play and all apps remain free for all.
● 15 Exclusives in First Year, 8 new IP and ??? total in development vs. 20 Exclusives in First year, 12 new IP and 30 total in development.
● SmartGlass integration vs. PS Vita integration
I can go on and on. Even if you think a few of these are "reaching", there's no doubt there are a ton of things that make each system distinctive.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
Definition of similar (adj)
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sim·i·lar [ símmələr ]
alike: sharing some qualities, but not identical
Bing Dictionary
sim·i·lar [ símmələr ]
alike: sharing some qualities, but not identical
The differences are quite clear. I'll say that first comparison I bolded is an odd one. Also, PS4 has it's own smartglass type solution for tablets and phones.
You said "extremely similar". He is replying to what that implies.
Sony seems to have their sights set on poaching MS customers. They have PS3 owners locked up tight for PS4. They're already doing everything right that PS3 owners enjoy so that's a done deal, so they don't need to focus as hard on trying to keep their current marketshare. They're appealing to the set of MS gamers that used to buy Xbox consoles as their primary console because it simply was the most powerful box out there. OG Xbox was the most powerful, 360 was arguably the most powerful because you needed to be a magician to squeeze "beyond-360" power out of the PS3, XBO is not. Sony for once in its life has the most powerful console of a generation.
Microsoft doesn't have a compelling set of features to poach any PS3 owners to their side really, unless you absolutely must have Fantasy Football snap-ins to your TV (which I admit sounds pretty cool, but only appeals to Americans). So their goal is to try to keep their 360 marketshare from jumping ship. Their secondary goal will be to get the XBO down to a price that will actually make non-gamers want to pick one up for their "entertainment box" instead of a $100 Apple TV.
Then you have the problem Microsoft faces in that it's possible that they may never be able to reach price parity with Sony's PS4. Sony's design seems to be straight forward and should easily see their BOM dropping just as fast as MS.
Microsoft doesn't have a compelling set of features to poach any PS3 owners to their side really, unless you absolutely must have Fantasy Football snap-ins to your TV (which I admit sounds pretty cool, but only appeals to Americans). So their goal is to try to keep their 360 marketshare from jumping ship. Their secondary goal will be to get the XBO down to a price that will actually make non-gamers want to pick one up for their "entertainment box" instead of a $100 Apple TV.
Then you have the problem Microsoft faces in that it's possible that they may never be able to reach price parity with Sony's PS4. Sony's design seems to be straight forward and should easily see their BOM dropping just as fast as MS.
CitizenCope
Member
Hell I'm not getting it because of their stu... oh wait I'm getting it day one. Nice launch line up MS.
For me it's pretty simple. I only have time and/or money for one of these new consoles. So naturally I'm going for the cheaper one. Throw in the fact that the PS4's launch lineup is a bit more appealing to me, that I really enjoyed the last few years of the PS3, and it's a no-brainer.
I plan to own both consoles eventually, though.
I plan to own both consoles eventually, though.
krypt0nian
Banned
Aren't that similar. And he's right. Stand down.
Devilgunman
Member
The only reason I don't buy Xbone because I don't trust MS no more. I admit that there're games I want to play on Xbone (Fantasia and Crimson Dragon) but it's not eanough to convince me to spend $500.
People always whip out the dictionary like that means everybody gets to ignore context
hello, you said "extremely similar"! A more astute observation would be that they 'share some similarities', with the conclusion being that, as you can see, they are not even remotely 'extremely similar'.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
A lot of the differences he posted are completely negligible or irrelevant.
Like what does PS4 being packaged with a cheap mono headset have to do with the it being different from Xbox One? The Xbox One has headsets. He's describing differences in the bundles, not the console.
Both Xbox One and PS4 have a lot of the same features and functionality. The specifics are different, but that's why I said the consoles are extremely similar, not identical.
Xbox One and PS4 both
- Play the same next generation games (Aside from exclusive titles)
- Are Blu-ray players.
- Have entertainment apps for streaming music, shows and movies
- Focus heavily on a digital marketplace.
- Have paid subscription services. Required if you want to play online.
- Are integrating social networking features.
- Have cloud integration.
- Use a camera with gesture recognition to supplement gameplay.
- Use second screen to supplement gameplay.
- Feature the ability to record, and broadcast live gameplay.
Both consoles are going to do things better than the other sure, but when it comes down to it, it's not like one is going to be the absolute best choice. People should buy a console because it has the games they want to play, not because "playstation comes bundled with a crappy headset and xbox doesn't" or some other stupid reason.
DrFaustPhD
Member
When I got back into PC gaming my xbox 360 became almost immediately redundant, and it looks like it's going to be a similar situation next generation. Microsoft just doesn't have that many exclusives that I feel I need. The vast majority of games I had on my 360 were multiplats, because they were usually more stable on 360 than ps3, but it doesn't look like were going to have that kind of situation on the next go around.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Ya man, these people have a vendetta or something at this point. IMO, xbox easily beat out Sony in terms of interesting exclusive games at e3, and yet they don't have enough exclusive games? Haters gonna hate.
graywolf323
Member
80% plan to buy a PS4 at launch/in the first year so you were horribly wrong
Like everything I posted, and what the conversation is about, it's about why someone chooses a specific system over another. These are distinct differences in the base value you receive.
And the headset in particular is important: packing in a headset was one of the big factors in making Xbox Live a distinctive and active online community. This go around, PS4 has the headset, while Microsoft forces users to utilize the awkward Kinect microphone out-of-the-box. This means this go around it is the PS4 more optimally geared toward the online multiplayer experience out-of-the-box. However small you think that is, however minor you feel the $20-$30 it'll be to get an official Microsoft proprietary headset is, it's now something many people have to calculate on top of what they have to buy. Same as PS4 owners will now have to calculate a PS+ subscription if they want to use multiplayer.
But they're not "extremely similar". Unless the word "extremely" has received a new definition, when you add that in front of a word like similar, it heavily implies they're similar in more ways than they're not. Since this is not remotely true, I took issue with it. If you want to play semantics instead of just admitting you probably simply used the wrong word to describe something, that's fine
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Deleted member 752119
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Why I choose PS4 (despite 360 being my most played console overall this gen--though PS3 has taken over since getting one in 2012) in rough order of importance.
1. No camera. I hate motion control crap (and voice control for that matter) and won't buy a console that forces it in as I don't want to support that trend. If Sony had put the Eye in every PS4, I'd have just quit console gaming and built a gaming PC finally.
2. The DRM debacle. It went away, but there was no way I could abide by it as I sell all my games after being done with them. I don't replay games. I'm not a collector of anything. Other than art/decorations, if something isn't serving an active purpose, I have no use for it cluttering my home.
3. The price. $500 is just too much for a console for someone like me who's lucky to get 5-10 hours a week in. $400 for a PS4 is even pushing it, and I'm still debating whether to keep my preorder since the launch lineup isn't great and I have plenty on PS3 to keep me busy for a long while yet.
4. Exclusives. MS had the best/most for me the first half of the generation. But many ended up just timed exclusives (Bioshock, Mass Effect etc.). And exclusives really dried up the past 2-3 years as they focused so much on Kinect and just relied on 3rd party games and that people would want to play them with friends on Live instead of PSN. Really nothing other than Gears 3 and Halo 4 that I liked in terms of exclusives the past few years.
Sony just has a much more varied line up of exclusives due to better japanese and indie dev support. I'll miss Gears and Halo a bit, but I'm pretty tired of those series anyway. And Uncharted on the PS side. Really hoping for some great new IPs next gen, and I have much more faith Sony will deliver them while MS mostly focuses on shooters, racers etc.
5. PS+. It's been a great service for me. With my limited gaming time I'm always missing out on playing things anywhere near launch. PS+ will give me a cheap way to catch up on things I missed as the generation goes on.
1. No camera. I hate motion control crap (and voice control for that matter) and won't buy a console that forces it in as I don't want to support that trend. If Sony had put the Eye in every PS4, I'd have just quit console gaming and built a gaming PC finally.
2. The DRM debacle. It went away, but there was no way I could abide by it as I sell all my games after being done with them. I don't replay games. I'm not a collector of anything. Other than art/decorations, if something isn't serving an active purpose, I have no use for it cluttering my home.
3. The price. $500 is just too much for a console for someone like me who's lucky to get 5-10 hours a week in. $400 for a PS4 is even pushing it, and I'm still debating whether to keep my preorder since the launch lineup isn't great and I have plenty on PS3 to keep me busy for a long while yet.
4. Exclusives. MS had the best/most for me the first half of the generation. But many ended up just timed exclusives (Bioshock, Mass Effect etc.). And exclusives really dried up the past 2-3 years as they focused so much on Kinect and just relied on 3rd party games and that people would want to play them with friends on Live instead of PSN. Really nothing other than Gears 3 and Halo 4 that I liked in terms of exclusives the past few years.
Sony just has a much more varied line up of exclusives due to better japanese and indie dev support. I'll miss Gears and Halo a bit, but I'm pretty tired of those series anyway. And Uncharted on the PS side. Really hoping for some great new IPs next gen, and I have much more faith Sony will deliver them while MS mostly focuses on shooters, racers etc.
5. PS+. It's been a great service for me. With my limited gaming time I'm always missing out on playing things anywhere near launch. PS+ will give me a cheap way to catch up on things I missed as the generation goes on.
CouldBeWorse
Member
This is one of the bigger mistakes that Microsoft is still making. The COGS for the headset can't be more than a couple of bucks. Surely they can squeeze it into the $500 SKU. I'm sure that Kinect is improved and while the tests they've shown are impressive, it still won't beat what a headset delivers with close proximity to the microphone and a delivery mechanism for other voices that doesn't interrupt the game sound. Not making it standard will ensure that adoption is relatively low, which makes the experience worse for everyone.
For shame, Microsoft. For shame.
flyinpiranha
Member
But they would control the "who" in the equation which could only mean partners. They even said through approved retailers. How do you get approved. My guess is licensing which would have probably cost money.
Plus, we honestly have no idea what any of their overall plans were, they reported it terribly then before any details they took it all back. It seems like they had this "vision" where the consumer was the only one not benefiting.
Some of the ideas were good, I won't lie ... But it came with too many restrictions.
Good thing I didn't say that then, yes? I said not enough differentiating factors to compensate for the $100 difference. And I'm talking near-term: the first year essentially. Most of the factors you go on to list don't seem to be playing a significant role until well into 2014, exclusives and services in particular. Most people just aren't going to plan their 2013 purchases based on what might happen towards the end of 2014.
Kinect basically has to start from scratch because of the lack of BC and there's been very little announced in the way of Kinect 2.0 support that suggests particularly robust support. Again, I just keep seeing Kinect Sports whenever someone wants to make the Kinect support case. Do you think Sony can't scare up a Sports Champions 3? And their "DOA" Eye will have the Playroom at launch, which amounts to about as much software support as the "Alive and Kicking" Kinect seems to be getting. They have everything they need in place to ramp up if the motion gaming market picks up again in any worthwhile way.
DukeTogo1300
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PS4 has made a fantastic impression so far, plus all the other stuff.
SwiftDeath
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Fairly certain this may be another indirect way Microsoft is pushing kinect usage
Try to make gamers use the kinect more by not giving the free headset like last go round
Kinect better be all its cracked up to be otherwise they're going to have some rather irate individuals
I think some on here would be surprised by how many gamers (both causal and hardcore) won't ever go out and buy a headset but will use the free one even if its crap
It really does make a difference in usage/adoption etc.
Not sure how the kinect will play but personally think MS is playing a pretty big risk on it
Silly.Mikey
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You kidding? They've done nothing. They just stood back and let MS shoot themselves in the foot......repeatedly.
CouldBeWorse
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The $100 was implied as I was responding directly to you and I'm surprised to read that you don't think most people are planning their 2013 purchases around 2014 and beyond. While we live in a country (and world) where people tend to prioritize today over tomorrow, I don't think people would solely make a $400 or $500 purchasing decision based entirely on a snapshot in time.
Sony can scare up whatever they want for the Eye and people will continue to not buy it, like they didn't buy it or Move last time, and that was when the motion market was on fire with Wii and Kinect selling crazy numbers. Early adopters don't care and Sony didn't make it a priority. From that decision point on, it will be too late for it to be anything but DOA. Do you honestly think they can "ramp up" if it becomes a thing again?
Regardless of whether there is support RIGHT NOW for Kinect 2, the fact is that it will be in every box so there is a built-in market who could conceivably support it, which will lead to games. The only question is if they'll still mostly suck.
They have done all the right things so far in designing their console. I don't see how that is "nothing".