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[BigDug13]

Here is the thing: All these polls are targeting early adopters and hardcore gamers. Clearly Sony took that into consideration in their strategy. What many of you fail to realize is that with Microsoft, remember the kinect sold more than 10 million units and few were hardcore gamers, hardcore gamers make up a small percentage of the gaming industry. Microsoft will sell very well. especially this Xmas. It is a shame we cant love a product without bashing the other, as if it is justification for liking the other product. Either way, when the first numbers come out and the sales are closer than you expected , dont be surprised. All these articles are called page hits. It feeds on your views and they get paid for it. that makes you puppets. Appreciate innovation and the fact that we are finally done with this generation and onto the next. Being a fanboy doesn't make you cool, it makes you sound ignorant.

And before being flamed, i have already preordered both because A. i can afford it. B. i dont care about the companies other than the experience my money pays them to give me.

Yeah but the people who were first enamored by Kinect also have it currently collecting massive quantities of dust in their entertainment center. I found my mom's 360+Kinect behind her entertainment center (connected to the TV with composite cables...sigh) and I asked her when was the last time she played it. She said last time I was home. So 1 year ago.

How many of these 10 million Kinect buyers are wanting Kinect still?

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

 

[KageMaru]

The poll results really aren't that surprising. I'm getting the PS4 at launch and will likely wait on the Xbone. The cheaper price and better specs definitely played a role in my decision.

I think the Xbone will be a fine system, but MS has done a horrible job marketing it so far.

 

[mocoworm]

*mark laughs*

 

[HiredN00bs]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

Did you ever play the Wii or Kinect? Do you like video games? There is no reason to think Kinect 2 will make experiences any richer other than blind optimism. It's just an iteration on a concept that has proven to be mostly vapid. Even if compelling software is made for it (an assumption for which we don't have any evidence yet), why force every single customer to buy something they don't need or want? Why design the system so it needs it to function?

It's all so fucking stupid.

That may be true, but consider the fact that it is better now. The same people who have it collecting dust will go out and buy the system, but this time they "technically" dont have to pay for it. It come with the experience. I am not saying it was the greatest product ever, What i am saying is that, if you make it part of the experience, many people will buy and give it a shot. Early adopters and hardcore gamers will write it off, but it will sell like hotcakes because the rest of the world will buy it. This xbone is doomed nonsense is unnecessary, some people on here should take a business class or two.

Nobody is saying it's doomed in any serious analysis. There is just a whole lot of negative attitude towards Microsoft and for good cause. People WANTED to buy Xbox One. I was one of them. They're alienating what would have been loyal customers who are going to take their friends and families with them over to the competition.

 

[3rdamention]

I think MS's strategy is a sound one in terms of pricing. Launch at the holidays for $499 and get the hardcore/early adopters, and then drop price once demand slows by which time the BoM for the console would have reduced which protects their margins and will hopefully minimise losses in the early part of the console cycle.

Opinions I guess. That sounds like an awful strategy in my opinion considering the competition is cheaper and more powerful..

 

[Amir0x]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

it's not really interesting at all. You could increase Kinect's power five trillion times over and it would still not fix the actual central problem with the tech as it relates the most genres.

The problem is it lacks tactile feedback.

These other issues are merely minor quibbles compared to how much that lack of tactile feedback fucks up the possibilities in the majority of genres. As such, minus that, it'll always be incalculably inferior as a primary control scheme compared to the controller, which inherently limits its potential and possibilities. Unless you're making a really supremely shallow gaming experience, it's just not going to be usable over the course of a substantive, deep game. You can use it the way most devs are using it - as forgettable 'game enhancers' that nobody mentions outside of the five minutes it takes to try it out - but the reason people remain cold to Kinect is because it lacks tactile feedback.

And that's never, ever going to change without a completely different approach to the technology. Kinect technology simply cannot overcome that barrier.

With this in mind, you'll see it's not confusing at all why people remain cold to Kinect 2.0. And that's before we even deal with the rest of the comparatively minor flaws Kinect has that make it frustrating versus traditional controls, or the fact that people made the same claims about the Wiimote (a controller that actually IS usable for most genres, by the way), and to date we still received only the smallest fraction of new creative ideas. If wiimote could only inspire such a tiny amount of new ideas, Kinect certainly is going to have trouble justifying it's $100 enhanced inclusion.

 

[Uno Venova]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

I don't think they have even tried to show how it's going to enhance core games beyond features the Kinect has already been doing.

 

[KAL2006]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

Cool so which Kinect game excites you the most

 

[Delusibeta]

Umm I don't know where you live but in the US there are tons of dads who wouldn't understand the first thing about hardware specs in a console. There are also tons of dads who would and do want to play Mario Kart. Once again, please stop projecting your views upon millions of other people. They aren't the same...

There's also tons of dads that understands that the $399 box is cheaper than the $499 box.

 

[kingofkingz30]

Yeah but the people who were first enamored by Kinect also have it currently collecting massive quantities of dust in their entertainment center. I found my mom's 360+Kinect behind her entertainment center (connected to the TV with composite cables...sigh) and I asked her when was the last time she played it. She said last time I was home. So 1 year ago.

How many of these 10 million Kinect buyers are wanting Kinect still?

That may be true, but consider the fact that it is better now. The same people who have it collecting dust will go out and buy the system, but this time they "technically" dont have to pay for it. It come with the experience. I am not saying it was the greatest product ever, What i am saying is that, if you make it part of the experience, many people will buy and give it a shot. Early adopters and hardcore gamers will write it off, but it will sell like hotcakes because the rest of the world will buy it. This xbone is doomed nonsense is unnecessary, some people on here should take a business class or two.

 

[Amir0x]

That may be true, but consider the fact that it is better now. The same people who have it collecting dust will go out and buy the system, but this time they "technically" dont have to pay for it. It come with the experience. I am not saying it was the greatest product ever, What i am saying is that, if you make it part of the experience, many people will buy and give it a shot.

They do have to pay for it. That's why Xbox One is $100 more expensive. Even when it starts dropping in price, it's still going to be comparatively more expensive than PS4. So most consumers are going to naturally understand that it's not free, it's actually $100.

 

[BigDug13]

Opinions I guess. That sounds like an awful strategy in my opinion considering the competition is cheaper and more powerful..

Yeah I don't understand the people who say a price drop 6 months after release is a sound strategy to protect your margins. I mean it certainly didn't piss off early adopters when Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS right?

 

[beast786]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

I wonder why Ryse went from Kinect 1 to regular controls. Instead of Kinect 1 to Kinect 2, especially with the great improvements.

The motion control has limitation and people have tried being creative since PSeye to wii and kinect. And everytime we hear same crap.." but now with better sensor developers will make cool stuff".. PS move had thread about tech demo every other week. And guess what ...

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I won't be giving Microsoft any of my money.

I just simply do not like the way they operate and they've really rubbed me the wrong way.

Xbox One. Well I don't want an all in one system. I want a powerful game system.

 

[Raymo]

That may be true, but consider the fact that it is better now. The same people who have it collecting dust will go out and buy the system, but this time they "technically" dont have to pay for it. It come with the experience. I am not saying it was the greatest product ever, What i am saying is that, if you make it part of the experience, many people will buy and give it a shot. Early adopters and hardcore gamers will write it off, but it will sell like hotcakes because the rest of the world will buy it. This xbone is doomed nonsense is unnecessary, some people on here should take a business class or two.

Since when do people buy $500 products just to give them a shot? Why is the current kinect (writen off by the harcore) not flying off shelves if the rest of the world is going to buy the Xbox One regardless? Wouldn't they be buying the current kinect regardless?

 

[Amir0x]

Early adopters and hardcore gamers will write it off, but it will sell like hotcakes because the rest of the world will buy it. This xbone is doomed nonsense is unnecessary, some people on here should take a business class or two.

What? The REST of the world is a complete lost cause for Xbox One. Xbox 360 did poor almost everywhere outside the UK and the USA. The reaction to the Xbox One was far more violent in Europe than it was even in the states; and it's launching at a price in the UK - one of the most price sensitive territories - that is even more than PS3 was! So if you take away success in UK and just give them the USA - which they're going to build up to success much slower in thanks to its price tag - they're already on dangerous waters trying to replicate the success of 360. They're already off to a near impossible start. And this time they also don't have a year headstart OR the best versions of most multiplatform games!

And that's before we consider that pre-order numbers actually DO reflect the negativity the Xbox One received and the praise PS4 received; pre-orders for PS4 dominated the XBO, even though the PS4 had far more allotment, it was still sold out earlier.

 

[NIGHT-]

Both consoles have pretty poor lineups.. Don't see how anyone can get excited for Ryse or Knack.. Exactly while I'm waiting a year for good software.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Did you ever play the Wii or Kinect? Do you like video games? There is no reason to think Kinect 2 will make experiences any richer other than blind optimism. It's just an iteration on a concept that has proven to be mostly vapid.

I use my Kinect quite often. I've played Wii as well, I just like Kinect better because it's an add-on and has other functions. I use Kinect now for workouts and voice commands mainly. I think 2 can improve on both those areas.

I don't think they have even tried to show how it's going to enhance core games beyond features the Kinect has already been doing.

True, but I think this is due to the fact that they knew everyone would lose their shit if they spent any time on Kinect 2 at any press event, especially after the reveal event that got chastised so much for the TV stuff.

it's not really interesting at all. You could increase Kinect's power five trillion times over and it would still not fix the actual central problem with the tech as it relates the most genres.

The problem is it lacks tactile feedback.

These other issues are merely minor quibbles compared to how much that lack of tactile feedback fucks up the possibilities in the majority of genres. As such, minus that, it'll always be incalculably inferior as a primary control scheme compared to the controller, which inherently limits its potential and possibilities. Unless you're making a really supremely shallow gaming experience, it's just not going to be usable over the course of a substantive, deep game. You can use it the way most devs are using it - as forgettable 'game enhancers' that nobody mentions outside of the five minutes it takes to try it out - but the reason people remain cold to Kinect is because it lacks tactile feedback.

And that's never, ever going to change without a completely different approach to the technology. Kinect technology simply cannot overcome that barrier.

With this in mind, you'll see it's not confusing at all why people remain cold to Kinect 2.0.

The tactile feedback argument is perfectly valid and I'd love to have some form of it in the future, but I don't think that necessarily makes Kinect useless without it. A lot of why people hated Kinect 1 games (aside from what you note) is that they tried a few, the Kinect was very unresponsive and the experience wasn't very good, and they gave up (with just cause). This is where I think Kinect 2 can win some folks back, the games will actually work this time.

Of course, it's going to take someone making something we have never seen before with Kinect 2 for it to explode for hardcore gamers and those who are very optimistic, but I think the additional power of the new Kinect makes that much more likely to happen instead of gamers giving up on it because it didn't work well which in turn lead to developers giving up on it because the games didn't sell. If devs see it now as a viable market they would be more likely to develop for it and possibly come up with something amazing we never thought of (or a way to supplement existing games that actually works well).

It'd be cool if MS would allow more Indie support for Kinect games (and even applications) as I think the indie devs could really come up with some crazy stuff for it (see Kinect PC). Not sure that will happen though.

I don't know, I just kind of want something awesome to come around for Kinect 2. I think it's cool tech and could have cool uses that aren't bothersome in controller-based games (hell, using it with Oculus Rift would be awesome), so I hope it does well this gen and works a lot better.

 

[NIGHT-]

I won't be giving Microsoft any of my money.

I just simply do not like the way they operate and they've really rubbed me the wrong way.

Xbox One. Well I don't want an all in one system. I want a powerful game system.

Do you own a gaming PC? You should

 

[Bgamer90]

Yeah I don't understand the people who say a price drop 6 months after release is a sound strategy to protect your margins. I mean it certainly didn't piss off early adopters when Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS right?

This gen was really the first gen in which console prices didn't drop by really that much at all.

If you look at any other gen, you'll see that console prices dropped not even half way into the generation.

Overall, early adopters for both consoles just want new next gen games. I doubt any of them will care much if either of the systems get a price drop one year or so after release. If they do, then they really shouldn't buy a console (or any other tech device for that matter) during its launch period.

 

[LogicStep]

I would imagine that the Titanfall developers are looking at this and preoders as an indicator of whether or not they should port to the PS4. They already said its possible and evidence like this suggests it will remain likely. Microsoft better tie up their partners fast because they are going to be looking around and gamers have given them plenty of reason to.

"Have you seen Titanfall ... lose its exclusivity?" may become a NEOGAF meme before it is all through.

That would be great as that's the only game besides KI that interest me from that side.

I didn't know Titanfall would come to PC. How long will it be exclusive to XB1?

 

[Uno Venova]

True, but I think this is due to the fact that they knew everyone would lose their shit if they spent any time on Kinect 2 at any press event, especially after the reveal event that got chastised so much for the TV stuff.

I think they don't have anything interesting to show, if they were avoiding it at an event they could have shown in to the press behind closed doors instead of heartbeat sensors and night vision. They could have shown something real happening with the technology. It's there more for the integration with media features.

 

[Naked Lunch]

While I will eventually get a PS4 in the next 5 years or so I chose XB1 first. For these reasons:

-Live is better than PSN, period. As mainly an online gamer - ive had years to compare the 2 services and its not even close. Live will only improve as well.

-A large amount of games on XB1 are already confirmed to be running on dedicated servers. This cannot be understated how important this is. Peer 2 peer needed to die years ago.

-XB controller better than Dual Shock, period.

-Halo, Forza, Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon, Titan Fall over any PS exclusive - not even Last Guardian can sway this.

-Recent exclusive pick ups like Wargaming.net's World of Tanks greatly appeals to me - and I have no doubts they will continue on to the XB1.

-60 fps is confirmed for a good bit of games already - so power is not an issue in the area that matters most. I could give a damn about pretty textures as long as the gameplay is smooth. If launch games are hitting 60fps easily - they arent going to bog down as the years pass - devs get better with hardware experience, not worse. For example: if Halo 5 is 60fps - there is no way in hell Halo 6 will revert to 30.

-Carrying over my XBL account name, achievements, and friends list Ive had for nearly a decade.

 

[Amir0x]

The tactile feedback argument is perfectly valid and I'd love to have some form of it in the future, but I don't think that necessarily makes Kinect useless without it. A lot of why people hated Kinect 1 games (aside from what you note) is that they tried a few, the Kinect was very unresponsive and the experience wasn't very good, and they gave up (with just cause). This is where I think Kinect 2 can win some folks back, the games will actually work this time.

I didn't mean to imply people didn't also have significant issues with that too; I know that was another huge problem I personally had. I'm just saying that if you fixed all that and made it 100% reliable and responsive, you'd still have to deal with the looming head that is actually limiting most genre usefulness... tactile feedback.

Without it, it doesn't render Kinect useless... but it certainly renders its potential applications and functionality to a very limited plane. And that limited value is, as far as I can evaluate it, no where near enough to justify raising the price $100 for everyone. That is why they should have made it an option... because now you're forcing everyone to pay for a technology that is only really useful for a handful of genres. Even if you really are into those genres, it simply does not have enough flexible applications to be worth risking your marketshare.

I hate to say it, but Sony's touch pad thing on the Dual Shock - which I could not care one iota about - has more potential useful applications for the average game. And so I believe Microsoft is totally justified in trying to find new ways to play, but they simply fucked up on the proposition value. They chose a technology that is too limited to be worth forcing on consumers. If the thing was going to raise the system by maybe $20 or something, maybe. But now it forced Microsoft to price themselves out of the competition for at least a year.

Of course, it's going to take someone making something we have never seen before with Kinect 2 for it to explode for hardcore gamers and those who are very optimistic, but I think the additional power of the new Kinect makes that much more likely to happen instead of gamers giving up on it because it didn't work well which in turn lead to developers giving up on it because the games didn't sell. If devs see it now as a viable market they would be more likely to develop for it and possibly come up with something amazing we never thought of (or a way to supplement existing games that actually works well).

It'd be cool if MS would allow more Indie support for Kinect games (and even applications) as I think the indie devs could really come up with some crazy stuff for it (see Kinect PC). Not sure that will happen though.

I don't know, I just kind of want something awesome to come around for Kinect 2. I think it's cool tech and could have cool uses that aren't bothersome in controller-based games (hell, using it with Oculus Rift would be awesome), so I hope it does well this gen and works a lot better.

Welp, I guess we'll see. I still think the proof is in the pudding. Developers could have made some really unique experiences on Kinect 1.0, and simply didn't. Judging by what we see so far for Xbox One, the same thing is happening. But unique or not, the problems with major sticking point for the technology won't change without using an entirely different type of technology.

 

[Chaostar]

While I will eventually get a PS4 in the next 5 years or so I chose XB1 first. For these reasons:

-Live is better than PSN, period. As mainly an online gamer - ive had years to compare the 2 services and its not even close. Live will only improve as well.

-A large amount of games on XB1 are already confirmed to be running on dedicated servers. This cannot be understated how important this is. Peer 2 peer needed to die years ago.

-XB controller better than Dual Shock, period.

-Halo, Forza, Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon, Titan Fall over any PS exclusive - not even Last Guardian can sway this.

-Recent exclusive pick ups like Wargaming.net's World of Tanks greatly appeals to me - and I have no doubts they will continue on to the XB1.

-60 fps is confirmed for a good bit of games already - so power is not an issue in the area that matters most. I could give a damn about pretty textures as long as the gameplay is smooth. If launch games are hitting 60fps easily - they arent going to bog down as the years pass - devs get better with hardware experience, not worse. For example: if Halo 5 is 60fps - there is no way in hell Halo 6 will revert to 30.

-Carrying over my XBL account name, achievements, and friends list Ive had for nearly a decade.

I respect your opinion but putting "period" at the end of it doesn't make it a fact.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

Probably lives in the world where most people won't be spending $900 on console hardware in one shopping season, so it will come down to a choice where $100 potentially saved with no compromise in doing so will certainly be a significant deciding factor.

And let's leave Apple out of this. They're selling to a different kind of market where status is a selling factor. That doesn't have much bearing here - consoles aren't a status product.

I fully agree that most people will have to choose one or the other because they aren't idiots like me. However, I'm arguing that $100 one way or another isn't more powerful than content, services, "buzz," keeping up with the Joneses, etc.

Price isn't nearly as important as these other factors AS LONG AS IT'S COMPARABLE. Some might argue that $100 (or 20-25%, depending on how you do the math) is not comparable but I would disagree, especially when it comes to early adopters.

And Apple is selling to EVERYONE these days. I think it's a very valid comparison, but even if it's not, you ignored my Gamecube comparison which I would think you'd agree is valid.

 

[3rdamention]

Interesting how people keep brushing off Kinect 2 when it looks far more powerful than the first. Everyone knows Kinect 1 was chopped to hell to get it out at a solid price, 2 looks to beat it by a good margin. I think the new fidelity in control it should offer will make the concept of Kinect games, and games where Kinect gets used as a secondary input much more feasible and far less frustrating to the user. In short, it should show us what Kinect should have been like at launch.

I'm excited for it.

Which games are you getting for Kinect 2? I would love to know which games and experiences will make the best use of the new fidelity in controls. Is there a launch game that is going to really show off the power of Kinect 2? Or is it simply the "concept of Kinect games" that has you excited?

 

[TheGreyHulk]

price is the biggest factor for me followed with the fact that it has less gpu power.

$100 more just for kinect? no thank you for now. maybe when a couple years from now, but not at $500.

 

[beast786]

price is the biggest factor for me followed with the fact that it has less gpu power.

$100 more just for kinect? no thank you for now. maybe when a couple years from now, but not at $500.

It has to be more than 100$ for kinect. Spec wise XB1 is technical inferior hardware. So the cost of XB1 without kinect technically would have been lower than PS4

 

[KageMaru]

Cool so which Kinect game excites you the most

It's almost as if him keeping an open mind about Kinect 2 bothers you for some reason...

It has to be more than 100$ for kinect. Spec wise XB1 is technical inferior hardware. So the cost of XB1 without kinect technically would have been lower than PS4

Considering how MS has built a Frankenstein architecture, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was as much as the PS4, if not more.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

price is the biggest factor for me followed with the fact that it has less gpu power.

$100 more just for kinect? no thank you for now. maybe when a couple years from now, but not at $500.

If the PS4 was $500 and the Xbone w/Kinect was $400, which one would you pick?

If the Xbone didn't come with Kinect and was $400 like the PS4, which one would you pick?

For most people and most scenarios, their answer wouldn't change.

 

[3rdamention]

While I will eventually get a PS4 in the next 5 years or so I chose XB1 first. For these reasons:

-Live is better than PSN, period. As mainly an online gamer - ive had years to compare the 2 services and its not even close. Live will only improve as well.

-A large amount of games on XB1 are already confirmed to be running on dedicated servers. This cannot be understated how important this is. Peer 2 peer needed to die years ago.

-XB controller better than Dual Shock, period.

-Halo, Forza, Killer Instinct, Crimson Dragon, Titan Fall over any PS exclusive - not even Last Guardian can sway this.

-Recent exclusive pick ups like Wargaming.net's World of Tanks greatly appeals to me - and I have no doubts they will continue on to the XB1.

-60 fps is confirmed for a good bit of games already - so power is not an issue in the area that matters most. I could give a damn about pretty textures as long as the gameplay is smooth. If launch games are hitting 60fps easily - they arent going to bog down as the years pass - devs get better with hardware experience, not worse. For example: if Halo 5 is 60fps - there is no way in hell Halo 6 will revert to 30.

-Carrying over my XBL account name, achievements, and friends list Ive had for nearly a decade.

I respect your opinion but 3 of the exclusives you claim are better than ANY PS exclusives haven't been released and you haven't played them. That is a huge disservice to the PS exclusives that haven't been announced and you also haven't played. It comes off extremely fanboyish.

Your other statements are valid points that I can respect.

 

[SmokedMeat]

What many of you fail to realize is that with Microsoft, remember the kinect sold more than 10 million units and few were hardcore gamers, hardcore gamers make up a small percentage of the gaming industry.

And what you're forgetting to mention is that it nosedived right after the big launch as consumers realized it was a hunk of junk loaded with crappy games.

 

[Amir0x]

And what you're forgetting to mention is that it nosedived right after the big launch as consumers realized it was a hunk of junk loaded with crappy games.

This isn't true. It continued to prop up the 360 all throughout the following year giving it impressive YOY gains and making it dominate its rivals.

I believe the fad has run its course, though. Microsoft would have been better served introducing the tech for the first time alongside the Xbox One so that potential consumers could have been tricked into thinking it had potential.

 

[kingofkingz30]

They do have to pay for it. That's why Xbox One is $100 more expensive. Even when it starts dropping in price, it's still going to be comparatively more expensive than PS4. So most consumers are going to naturally understand that it's not free, it's actually $100.

Wow SOME of you are so trivial. You will go out and but a $500 dollar one dimensional ipad. But complain about a game system that offers rich features plus true HD gaming. Um ok i guess

 

[meta4]

I fully agree that most people will have to choose one or the other because they aren't idiots like me. However, I'm arguing that $100 one way or another isn't more powerful than content, services, "buzz," keeping up with the Joneses, etc.

Price isn't nearly as important as these other factors AS LONG AS IT'S COMPARABLE. Some might argue that $100 (or 20-25%, depending on how you do the math) is not comparable but I would disagree, especially when it comes to early adopters.

And Apple is selling to EVERYONE these days. I think it's a very valid comparison, but even if it's not, you ignored my Gamecube comparison which I would think you'd agree is valid.

The price difference is even more massive in Europe so no... price is going to matter a lot.

 

[Naked Lunch]

I respect your opinion but 3 of the exclusives you claim are better than ANY PS exclusives haven't been released and you haven't played them. That is a huge disservice to the PS exclusives that haven't been announced and you also haven't played. It comes off extremely fanboyish.

Whats so wrong about preferring a particular game over another? The Killzones, Uncharteds, Infamous dont do it for me. Gaming these days for me is 95% 3rd party offerings anyways but Ill take my list over what Ive seen from Sony's camp. Thats not being a fanboy, its called having a preference - especially considering Ive always owned nearly every system.

 

[kingofkingz30]

And what you're forgetting to mention is that it nosedived right after the big launch as consumers realized it was a hunk of junk loaded with crappy games.

And what consumer electronics doesnt normally take a nosedive after the novelty wears off. The thing is, this time around xbone was built with kinect in mind. Not as an after thought answer to the wii.

 

[kingofkingz30]

What? The REST of the world is a complete lost cause for Xbox One. Xbox 360 did poor almost everywhere outside the UK and the USA. The reaction to the Xbox One was far more violent in Europe than it was even in the states; and it's launching at a price in the UK - one of the most price sensitive territories - that is even more than PS3 was! So if you take away success in UK and just give them the USA - which they're going to build up to success much slower in thanks to its price tag - they're already on dangerous waters trying to replicate the success of 360. They're already off to a near impossible start. And this time they also don't have a year headstart OR the best versions of most multiplatform games!

And that's before we consider that pre-order numbers actually DO reflect the negativity the Xbox One received and the praise PS4 received; pre-orders for PS4 dominated the XBO, even though the PS4 had far more allotment, it was still sold out earlier.

Understood and great points but again. Violent reactions? by whom? hardcore gamers, early adopters, how many of us are there in the world. Thing about this in a business sense. A company like microsoft can afford to lose a million EA and HG but in return get 20 million casual and semi hardcore players, plus brand loyalists and those who wanna check out the system, plus those who are getting both systems, so again whats the loss? Why are some of you taking this so personal? Sony doesnt CARE about you either, they care about your walet. get real

 

[Uno Venova]

Betting on the casuals flocking in and not pleasing the core customers does sound like the right way to go.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

The price difference is even more massive in Europe so no... price is going to matter a lot.

An extra $20? That matters to early adopters?

Wow SOME of you are so trivial. You will go out and but a $500 dollar one dimensional ipad. But complain about a game system that offers rich features plus true HD gaming. Um ok i guess

Do you understand how many uses an iPad has and why calling it 1-dimensional makes zero sense?

 

[RedNumberFive]

Betting on the casuals flocking in and not pleasing the core customers does sound like the right way to go.

Abandoning the mavens and brand ambassadors has generally been a winning strategy.

 

[benny_a]

Why are some of you taking this so personal? Sony doesnt CARE about you either, they care about your walet. get real

Who are you addressing here?

Sony and I currently share an alignment in interest just like Microsoft and I shared an alignment in interest in the past and Nintendo and I did before either of those two.

 

[Amir0x]

Wow SOME of you are so trivial. You will go out and but a $500 dollar one dimensional ipad. But complain about a game system that offers rich features plus true HD gaming. Um ok i guess

Aim your ire at whomever you want, but it doesn't help to generalize large groups of people. Nor is it going to change consumer behavior. People are justifiably angry over what Microsoft did with Xbox One. And people are certainly allowed to believe that Kinect trash is not worth $100 additional dollars.

It is possible that some people think a $500 iPad - which you can take with you and functions for pretty much every use known to man - is a better value than a system that is primarily for games no matter how much Microsoft wishes otherwise.

Of course, I will never spend any money on an Apple device. I just think Kinect is a piece of shit and that the fact that I have to help subsidize that garbage just to get an Xbox One is a real problem. And I'm sure there are a million others who have different reasons for thinking the Kinect or the Xbox One altogether is not worth it.

Understood and great points but again. Violent reactions? by whom? hardcore gamers, early adopters, how many of us are there in the world. Thing about this in a business sense. A company like microsoft can afford to lose a million EA and HG but in return get 20 million casual and semi hardcore players, plus brand loyalists and those who wanna check out the system, plus those who are getting both systems, so again whats the loss? Why are some of you taking this so personal? Sony doesnt CARE about you either, they care about your walet. get real

Saying 'it's the hardcore, the hardcore' may help you sleep at night, but there is already plenty of evidence that this shit seeped into the mainstream. Almost anyone who is asked about the original Xbox One plan was negative about it. Consumers did not want what they were offering. A major newspaper in the UK, for example, did a poll of its readers, and the same thing happened - super overwhelmingly in Sony's favor on PS4. Jimmy Fallon called out Microsoft's plan and gave it a lot of unwanted attention. And pre-order numbers immediately began reflecting how negative people were about the system. And hardcore fans DO drive a systems early life, and are likely to inform casuals what is a better purchase. All of this just builds and builds until it becomes a real problem. In Germany, whole news segments and articles in papers were dedicated to criticizing the always-on Kinect feature.

Everyone knows it is a real problem for everyone, not just hardcore gamers, and that is why even Microsoft eventually was forced to accept this. They saw the news, the reactions, the pre-order sales and said "shit, maybe it isn't just sad forum nerds. Maybe everyone really is pissed at the Xbox One!"

 

[Kalm]

I was one of the 30,000 polled and, considering it took some time to fill out the damn thing, I'm a little disappointed that the resulting articles are so one-note. It's IGN so I wasn't really expecting them to be more than inflammatory fanboy fodder but it would've been nice to see some of the other data. There definitely seems to be a PS4 slant at IGN these days but I guess that's just good business when a large portion of your userbase is currently anti-Microsoft.

Also, reading through this thread...holy crap people are taking this "console war" thing seriously.

It seems like every time a thread goes up that's even remotely related to MS or the X1, the same 100 people pop in, completely ignore the OP and drop canned "I'm not buying an Xbox One for these reasons..." posts as if they have them constantly queued up for easy Ctrl+V action. I can understand having a preferred system but sh*tting on the other one at every opportunity seems immature and unnecessary.

I honestly haven't seen a community so split and vitriolic for no reason.

 

[kingofkingz30]

Betting on the casuals flocking in and not pleasing the core customers does sound like the right way to go.

Like a true American, feels like you owe them something smh. again, dont buy, but instead, you wont buy, yet complain and moan because you arent getting what you want. by the way, not america bashing , i am one. #justsaying

 

[alterego]

Where did this image come from!? Never seen that before...

Not sure - saw it on Twitter.

I think it might be from here: http://www.gamechup.com/ps4-and-xbox-one-gpu-compared-startling-difference-between-the-two/

 

[SmokedMeat]

And what consumer electronics doesnt normally take a nosedive after the novelty wears off. The thing is, this time around xbone was built with kinect in mind. Not as an after thought answer to the wii.

Only the novelty wore off after a month or two when you realized you were duped into buying a plastic camera to play Kinect Sports and a couple dancing games. The games were flat out garbage.

 

[kingofkingz30]

An extra $20? That matters to early adopters?



Do you understand how many uses an iPad has and why calling it 1-dimensional makes zero sense?

enlighten me.

Other than portability, what does ipad have over ps4 and xbone? even ps3 and xbox?