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[Oblivion]

:lol

And they rocked, too.

Hey, there. Will you guys be able to post those vids? Or at the very least, more vids of the previous ones you played? And you saw more suits you say?

 

[fernoca]

Polygons aren't transmitted over the net. Button presses are.

I know, but elaborate more...so I can understand..it..
There's the whole issue with lag..latency..some simpler 3D games suffer from this problems...

And I was talking about the example that was used..
If they said something like Small Arms [for the Xbox 360] (3d models, 4 players at the same time, dynamic backgrounds) instead of Jump Ultimate..then it could make more sense...

 

[ZealousD]

I know, but elaborate more...so I can understand..it..
There's the whole issue with lag..latency..some simpler 3D games suffer from this problems...

And I was talking about the example that was used..
If they said something like Small Arms [for the Xbox 360] (3d models, 4 players at the same time, dynamic backgrounds) instead of Jump Ultimate..then it could make more sense...

The reader asking the question brought up Jump Ultimate. Not Matt or Bozon.

 

[Gahiggidy]

Polygons aren't transmitted over the net. Button presses are.

Oh wow, but is the info from Waggle+wiipointer mayeby a bit too much data for online play?

 

[ZealousD]

Oh wow, but is the info from Waggle+wiipointer mayeby a bit too much data for online play?

Even if this was remotely an issue (it's not), Smash doesn't even use waggle.

 

[fernoca]

The reader asking the question brought up Jump Ultimate. Not Matt or Bozon.

Now it makes more sense..
You should change that in the original post, because it makes them sound idiotic... :lol

 

[Gahiggidy]

Even if this was remotely an issue (it's not), Smash doesn't even use waggle.

Yeah, but I'm a little worried about other types of games... games that use the motion-sensors constantly. I've gotta assume the controler setup on Wii has much more data info going back and forth than there is on traditional pads.

 

[jesusraz]

That Factor 5 talk has to be related to the Turrican VC listings that recently appeared on the ESRB site...Hopefully they do something for WiiWare as well, to 'test the water' on Wii.

 

[later]

Yeah, but I'm a little worried about other types of games... games that use the motion-sensors constantly. I've gotta assume the controler setup on Wii has much more data info going back and forth than there is on traditional pads.

Err.. it's not like they will be sending the raw wiimote data over the net, that would be stupid. They will translate it into the specific movements that the character needs to do and send that.

 

[CaVaYeRo]

well, some games at Leipzig, some at Tokyo, it's logical.

- Fishing Master is visually crap. However, some smart Wiimote implementation. Every time you cast, you catch a fish. "Kinda cool, but super basic". Cool for a kid's game or a rental.

Hey, guys, do you know that Hooked! Real Motion Fishing is going to have online multiplayer on Wii?

• The only fishing game on the Wii with online multiplayer!
Challenge the best virtual fishermen around the world via online Wi-Fi play.

"Armchair anglers and casual gamers into sport fishing will have a lot to look forward to in Hooked! Real Motion Fishing, with its intuitive controls and accessible gameplay,” said Akibo Shieh, President, Aksys Games. Once you’ve mastered the single player modes, you’ll be able to take your game online and prove once and for all, who’s the world’s best virtual fisherman.

:lol :lol


I think including online multiplayer is not developer's fault anymore.

EDIT: Also, I can confirm DBZBT3, which my partners say is pretty fast and impressive, will use f***ing friend codes.

 

[JDSN]

For those that missed the new videos:

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748588/vids_1.html

 

[1-D_FTW]

Are you an insider?

As a non-insider, all I can get to stream are the crappy movie trailers.

I can't believe Nintendo wouldn't make that shit widely known. Hey, it's the one game hardcore gamers are drooling over, let's make sure only IGN gets the coverage. Wouldn't wanna have that readily available in high quality to non-Rupert Murdoch supporters.

 

[ziran]

Great show, lots of info (though it would have been nice to have Jessica there, they make a good team).

Mario and Metroid both look and sound phenomenal!!

And the new Mario videos are just incredible!! Every time I see the game I'm more blown away than the last time! The way Matt and Mark talk about it is making the wait unbearable!! :lol

At least Metroid is soon(er).

From Matt's faux pas, it sounds like the Nintendo franchise being brought back from a long time ago for hardcore gamers is being developed by a 3rd party. Hmm... Still don't have much of an idea what it could be beyond Kid Icarus or Pilotwings.

 

[ziran]

This one was a good listen I thought. Even if Nintendo is now prioritizing casuals, which may mean a variety of things, at least we have confirmation that the resurrected franchise will be a "hardcore" game. I do hope this means Kid Icarus. I'm a bit shocked that Miyamoto feels that Nintendo's future exciting hardcore offerings will come from acquired studios. That's a bit depressing. Perhaps his definition of core is stricter than what I am used to. I wonder how the resurrected Nintendo franchise factors into his views.

Super Mario Galaxy sounds even more impressive now. I hope Matt is right about Brawl online. I'm not much of an online gamer but that is one game where I am interested in playing over the network.

I guess the idea that Nintendo is, at least, deprioritizing their core franchises has some grounding in reality. Thank goodness the console is poised to become the overwhelming market leader. I'm not sure what Nintendo's 1st party offerings post 2007 will look like but everything seems to indicate that third parties are going to put more effort into the system.

I've gone back and watched the interview, and Matt's recollection of it isn't entirely accurate. In fact it paints a distorted picture of what Miyamoto said. He was asked:

Are you excited about any games in development specifically designed for the hardcore gamer?

To which he replied:

Well I can't say anything, talk about anything in particular right now, but of course recently Nintendo has aquired another company or two, and we've built relationships with some other companies that are particulary good at making games geared towards the hardcore, so I do have some hopes we'll have something very positive come out of those relationships.

This was a key part Matt forgot about. Miyamoto was saying he couldn't talk about any new hardcore gamer games at the moment, and from the way he said it, it's far more likely he means they have some in the works but can't talk about them just yet.

When he referenced acquired studios and 3rd party relationships he was probably talking about Disaster and Battalion Wars. Nintendo was primarily focused on its up coming line-up.

The hardcore/current gamer market is big, and a huge source of profits for them, so they will cater to them. Not to the extent PS3 and 360 are, but I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing more internally developed games for the core gamers from studios like EAD, Int Sys and Retro. I mean, they announced Mario Kart Wii, which is played by a huge amount of the hardcore.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Super Paper Mario is also on track tos ell more than the other Paper Marios in Japan. And we all know that what sells in Japan is what Nintendo will likely do and Nintendo likes making money.

 

[ComputerNerd]

Err.. it's not like they will be sending the raw wiimote data over the net, that would be stupid. They will translate it into the specific movements that the character needs to do and send that.

Pretty much. They send character actions, and that's pretty much it. Just send the useful data.

 

[Rancid Mildew]

I've gone back and watched the interview, and Matt's recollection of it isn't entirely accurate. In fact it paints a distorted picture of what Miyamoto said. He was asked:

To which he replied:

This was a key part Matt forgot about. Miyamoto was saying he couldn't talk about any new hardcore gamer games at the moment, and from the way he said it, it's far more likely he means they have some in the works but can't talk about them just yet.

When he referenced acquired studios and 3rd party relationships he was probably talking about Disaster and Battalion Wars. Nintendo was primarily focused on its up coming line-up.

The hardcore/current gamer market is big, and a huge source of profits for them, so they will cater to them. Not to the extent PS3 and 360 are, but I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing more internally developed games for the core gamers from studios like EAD, Int Sys and Retro. I mean, they announced Mario Kart Wii, which is played by a huge amount of the hardcore.

Well, Miyamoto's statement can be interepreted in several different ways after reading through it several times but I suppose you're probably more likely to be right than Matt. Everything Miyamoto has been saying in other interviews, like the kotaku ones, are contrary to what the podcast seemed to imply. And like I said, if IGN is right and Nintendo on the verge of resurrecting an old franchise in the form of a core game, Nintendo is still very much cognizant of the importance of our existence.

I especially agree with you that internally developed core games are still highly profitable and successful for Nintendo. Even if they don't earn a higher profit than games like Brain Age and WiiFit, it's still important for Nintendo to consistently pump out their staple franchises even if it's only for the sake of reputation and appearance. Nintendo isn't and won't be the pre-eminent first party entity with brain games.

Good catch.

 

[Hollywood_mIRC]

:lol @ IGN owning 1up. That is a legit point - complaining about repeating stuff - in a demo?! Oh 1up ...

As for the other stuff, there's definitely going to be an 08 blowout of Wii stuff. Nintendo announced nothing outside of Mario Kart for 08 - so next year its pretty much assured there will be blowouts on a lot of unannounced games. Animal Crossing, Pikmin 3, Pilotwings, all will probably be out next year.

 

[Scribble]

Yeah, what IGN said about not judging the whole game from the demo makes all the people who put down the game, i.e. 1UP, look quite idiotic. You can't capture the essence of a Metroid game in just a few minutes...that kind of goes against the nature of the series, being exploration focused and all.

 

[ZealousD]

Yeah, what IGN said about not judging the whole game from the demo makes all the people who put down the game, i.e. 1UP, look quite idiotic. You can't capture the essence of a Metroid game in just a few minutes...that kind of goes against the nature of the series, being exploration focused and all.

Exactly. 1UP was being silly. I still have that MP2 demo disc and it's completely linear and it even skips areas that were in the game. It goes straight from Samus's ship to the first part of that desert area (the name escapes me) to inside the installation and then to the dark world

Further, even in the Prime 3 demo, you can see a spider-ball track during the ball maze portion of the demo, despite not having the spider-ball available in said demo. You can even see some extra doorways on the minimap that aren't available to get to within the demo. It should be fairly obvious to anybody who's played Metroid Prime demos before and is paying attention that the core Metroid gameplay is still there.

 

[Terrell]

I think Matt and Bozon have the right idea... there are a LOT of events to show their games at even within this year, such as Leipzig and TGS, but I think Nintendo might try to turn the E For All Expo in October into a sort of North American Space World. Neither Sony or Microsoft are on-board for that, so that gives Nintendo every opportunity to steal that show which is aimed at CONSUMERS and not trying to wow the hardcore gaming press, which has a growing irrelevance in the decision-making process of game purchases.

So yeah, I predict that Nintendo will roll out its hardcore content announcements at E For All and get all the press at that show, impress the actual consumers attending the show and leave Sony and Microsoft with attempting their own avenues to get consumers hyped up for their content just before this extremely integral holiday shopping season.

 

[USC-fan]

whoever is an ign insider needs to tell matt to fix the rss feed. Took me like 5 times before i could get it to download.

 

[Rancid Mildew]

I think Matt and Bozon have the right idea... there are a LOT of events to show their games at even within this year, such as Leipzig and TGS, but I think Nintendo might try to turn the E For All Expo in October into a sort of North American Space World. Neither Sony or Microsoft are on-board for that, so that gives Nintendo every opportunity to steal that show which is aimed at CONSUMERS and not trying to wow the hardcore gaming press, which has a growing irrelevance in the decision-making process of game purchases.

So yeah, I predict that Nintendo will roll out its hardcore content announcements at E For All and get all the press at that show, impress the actual consumers attending the show and leave Sony and Microsoft with attempting their own avenues to get consumers hyped up for their content just before this extremely integral holiday shopping season.

Sony isn't attending? I swear I read somewhere that Sony has a "large presence" planned for the show.

 

[Grecco]

One of the Many Reasons why i was disapointed with the Nintendo Press Conference was because of Matts overhyping of this dead franchise. So much for that. Its still coming? Pfttt.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Matt swore up and down that Kirby would be at E3.

At this point, either he's lying or Nintendo's just messing with him to make him embarrass himself on the podcast.

 

[Rlan]

They don't mention it here, but did anyone at E3 attempt to download demos via their PSP or DS? I haven't heard a single person try it out this year..

 

[BrodiemanTTR]

I think Matt and Bozon have the right idea... there are a LOT of events to show their games at even within this year, such as Leipzig and TGS, but I think Nintendo might try to turn the E For All Expo in October into a sort of North American Space World. Neither Sony or Microsoft are on-board for that, so that gives Nintendo every opportunity to steal that show which is aimed at CONSUMERS and not trying to wow the hardcore gaming press, which has a growing irrelevance in the decision-making process of game purchases.

Maybe. Frankly I'm getting a little tired of playing "Okay THIS is when Nintendo will roll out all the games they're working on!"

 

[Terrell]

Sony isn't attending? I swear I read somewhere that Sony has a "large presence" planned for the show.

Oh, my apologies, didn't see them in the exhibitor list on their website, but it's showing that Sony will have a presence there according to Gamasutra, although Nintendo is also noted as being a "flagship" or "anchor" exhibitor, so it's likely they will have the largest presence at E For All being the first of the 3 manufacturers to sign up. So I stand corrected, they won't be alone, but I do believe that this is where they're going to drive Wii interest with both the casual and the hardcore, since it's right before a major shopping season.

 

[Rancid Mildew]

Oh, my apologies, didn't see them in the exhibitor list on their website, but it's showing that Sony will have a presence there according to Gamasutra, although Nintendo is also noted as being a "flagship" or "anchor" exhibitor, so it's likely they will have the largest presence at E For All being the first of the 3 manufacturers to sign up. So I stand corrected, they won't be alone, but I do believe that this is where they're going to drive Wii interest with both the casual and the hardcore, since it's right before a major shopping season.

Cool. I'm attending E for All and no Sony presence would be a big let down for me. I agree with your point though. At least I hope you're right. Nintendo should take this opportunity and make everyone amazed. Do you know if there will be a pre-event conference in the style of E3?

 

[USC-fan]

Matt swore up and down that Kirby would be at E3.

At this point, either he's lying or Nintendo's just messing with him to make him embarrass himself on the podcast.

i don't think matt has his close contacts at nintendo any more.

 

[Terrell]

Cool. I'm attending E for All and no Sony presence would be a big let down for me. I agree with your point though. At least I hope you're right. Nintendo should take this opportunity and make everyone amazed. Do you know if there will be a pre-event conference in the style of E3?

No clue, it really depends on what they do with TGS, I think, since this is essentially their first time attending that show and they might take the chance to drop their bombs there to make a big ruckus at what has essentially been "Sony's Show" and just give us a whole bunch of playable demos and stuff for E For All. What I do know is that E For All is going to be Nintendo's last opportunity to show off a playable Smash Bros. before the holiday season, so you can at least be guaranteed to be playing that.

 

[ruffles]

Wow, they trashed the MGS4 trailer.

 

[Rancid Mildew]

No clue, it really depends on what they do with TGS, I think, since this is essentially their first time attending that show and they might take the chance to drop their bombs there to make a big ruckus at what has essentially been "Sony's Show" and just give us a whole bunch of playable demos and stuff for E For All. What I do know is that E For All is going to be Nintendo's last opportunity to show off a playable Smash Bros. before the holiday season, so you can at least be guaranteed to be playing that.

Okay. I think TGS will be a huge event for Nintendo too. I've learned to lower my expectations for Nintendo news at their events ever since E3 06 but I think Sony will demolish Nintendo at TGS if Nintendo doesn't reveal everything they've been hiding. I'd like to think that Nintendo would not be so willing to concede the show by showing off WiiMelody.

I'm hoping E for All is a venue to show off all the playable demos I think Nintendo will release at TGS.

 

[nightside]

last year nintendo showed strikers and BWII in Leipzig. probably they would show some "nonwiifit" games next august (BWII for example...videos, online..ect ect)...

 

[rakka]

Wow, they trashed the MGS4 trailer.

I didn't like the second part. Very weird.

First half was ok though.

 

[NotWii]

Some journos have made comments about how the Metroid design was watered down (I think 1UP did this?). Matt says that such comments are stupid because it's a demo, and the MP3 demo was structured similarly to the MP1 and MP2 demos.

This is what I've been saying!
Stupid Jeremy Parish!

- Two hidden demo leves in the Mario Galaxy E3 demo...NO ONE BESIDES THESE TWO FATSO KNEW!

:lol They were shown off at a smaller roundtable conference thingo the next day.