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IGN: Xbox One could hit its stride in 2015
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Sure MS "exclusives" are never playble on PC ..wait what? Are you just ignoring games like Ryse, Dead Rising 3 or Titanfall? In fact if you own a PC I see very little reason to own an Xbox.
As an xbox owner i am of two minds...i like microsoft being on the defensive because despite my love for the company they are terrible when they are winning
On the other hand i hope they don't fall too far behind, because Microsoft may decide to either divest of xbox or pull back on the spending on that side
On the other hand i hope they don't fall too far behind, because Microsoft may decide to either divest of xbox or pull back on the spending on that side
Words like "could" and "hit stride" are so wish washy and vague that it could practically mean anything.
Is Xbox One going to do better next year than 2014? Almost assuredly so, consoles do not hit sales peak during their first year, that rarely happens, due to production, pricing, software line up etc.
As for any sort of idea that they may catch up to PS4 WW, that is pure fantasy, the likes of only the most harden Xbox fans dream of. Its not a realistic scenario
Is Xbox One going to do better next year than 2014? Almost assuredly so, consoles do not hit sales peak during their first year, that rarely happens, due to production, pricing, software line up etc.
As for any sort of idea that they may catch up to PS4 WW, that is pure fantasy, the likes of only the most harden Xbox fans dream of. Its not a realistic scenario
SaucyJack
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Don't love companies, it's never reciprocated.
this was the year that microsoft needed to push their console with these 3 big exclusives coming out one after the other with a whole bunch of positive media. 2105 is the year of the playstation pretty much with it getting into stride with the order , bloodborne, uncharted, persona, rime, the last guardian reannouncement, final fantasy 7 remake ps4 exclusive announcement, crash, ratchet and clank, dragon quest, the witness, and even more that i can't remember and don't even know And this all onslaught starts off in February OH yeah can't forget my personal favorite zelda and x for wii u next year.
Why do people keep saying this when nobody is suggesting it and it's not within the context of the article?
EventHorizon
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Nobody cares about Kinect. That is why the initial $399 Kinectless console really was a price cut. Just take a look at Amazon's best selling for Sept and Oct and notice the distinct lack of an Xbox with Kinect. To highlight this even more I included the PlayStation 4 Camera and PlayStation TV in the listing. The reason Microsoft isn't offering bundles with Kinect is simple. No one would buy them.
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6 PlayStation 4 Destiny Bundle
11 PlayStation 4 Console
28 Xbox One
40 PlayStation 4 Camera
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9 PlayStation 4 Console
19 PlayStation 4 Destiny Bundle
29 PlayStation 4 Camera
34 Xbox One
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because the majority aint reading it.
TLDR the rest of the thread. Expect a redesign in 2015 that consumes far less power, user upgradable hard drives like the 360, and the TV in features to be contained in a box to be sold separately like Kinect. The 360 Slim MK1 would be the ideal size for such a redesign.
By that time the XBOX One can be considered to be a secondary console.
This is a hypothetical situation but I wouldn't be too surprised if that is the case.
By that time the XBOX One can be considered to be a secondary console.
This is a hypothetical situation but I wouldn't be too surprised if that is the case.
Please let there be a Roku Sized 360 that I can use my existing hard drive or support USB 3.0 come out in 2015.
Are you trying to police what i can and cannot say here?
publicpwnerer
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I was kinda disappointed with MS's purchase of Mojang. It just feels like Kinect all over again. By that I mean, rather than focus on the core, they keep chasing the golden goose.
I think it's an investment that'll eventually pay off...but I would've preferred more new IP / core games. I just hope in the last 2-3 years of the XBO's life, we don't see an abandonment of quality games (And the core audience) and a big focus on Minecraft / mass appeal sandbox stuff.
They've already made some missteps with things like Project Spark (What the fuck is this?), and ruining the Fable IP. I doubt there'll be a single piece of compelling content that'll make people flock to Project Spark, or take it seriously.
I'm happy that they've announced some solid (and plentiful) exclusives. Phantom Dust, from what I hear is pretty great. The problem is, reviving old IP isn't enough...you actually have to follow through. Crimson Dragon is a good example of that, and it's pitfalls.
The biggest difference for me, when comparing MS to Sony is, Sony has already proven it's quality through and through previously. MS on the other hand, they're really exciting at times, but also terrifying. Their output potential is immense, but you never know what the finished product is like. Sunset Overdrive is a great example of this (I'm aware that this is Insomniac, but it's still Microsoft). It looks fantastic, and has the ability to become one of the best / most unique titles of the generation...but it could also fall totally flat on it's ass.
At the end of the day, I hope the competitive remains fierce.
I think it's an investment that'll eventually pay off...but I would've preferred more new IP / core games. I just hope in the last 2-3 years of the XBO's life, we don't see an abandonment of quality games (And the core audience) and a big focus on Minecraft / mass appeal sandbox stuff.
They've already made some missteps with things like Project Spark (What the fuck is this?), and ruining the Fable IP. I doubt there'll be a single piece of compelling content that'll make people flock to Project Spark, or take it seriously.
I'm happy that they've announced some solid (and plentiful) exclusives. Phantom Dust, from what I hear is pretty great. The problem is, reviving old IP isn't enough...you actually have to follow through. Crimson Dragon is a good example of that, and it's pitfalls.
The biggest difference for me, when comparing MS to Sony is, Sony has already proven it's quality through and through previously. MS on the other hand, they're really exciting at times, but also terrifying. Their output potential is immense, but you never know what the finished product is like. Sunset Overdrive is a great example of this (I'm aware that this is Insomniac, but it's still Microsoft). It looks fantastic, and has the ability to become one of the best / most unique titles of the generation...but it could also fall totally flat on it's ass.
At the end of the day, I hope the competitive remains fierce.
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_/¯Lol wut!? what do you mean by core? People spend thousands of hours on Minecraft isn't that hard-core enough? It has also consistently being one of the most played xbox live games for a long time by now, They just reacting to the data.
If by core you mean fringe franchises they re doing Phantom Dust (doesn't get any weirder than that).
bigboss370
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I don't see anything big for MS in 2015 outside of holidays, not sure how they will be hitting their stride if thats their plan.
^ if thats their general attitude, i don't think 2015 will be much different than the current status quo.
also, there is a real threat of being overshadowed by Sony's games lineup for next year. Once the ball starts rolling one way there's chance of a big snowball effect. Not only does Sony have big exclusives coming early starting with Bloodborne and The Order 1886, and then likely Uncharted 4 for holidays, but they've got the in-between multiplats in their favor too.
When MS makes marketing deals with something like Dragon Age, but then the game performs better on PS4 anyways, its not helping MS. And then there will be PS favored games as well like Batman or Battlefield, and maybe Metal Gear (which is huge).
Couple that with some big indies coming in 2015, as well as a few F2P games for PS4 slated to release. The December event is likely to give them some momentum going into 2015 too.
MCC will give X1 a boost this year (not sure by how much), although with the void after that i'm not sure how MS gains momentum enough to "hit its stride."
^ if thats their general attitude, i don't think 2015 will be much different than the current status quo.
also, there is a real threat of being overshadowed by Sony's games lineup for next year. Once the ball starts rolling one way there's chance of a big snowball effect. Not only does Sony have big exclusives coming early starting with Bloodborne and The Order 1886, and then likely Uncharted 4 for holidays, but they've got the in-between multiplats in their favor too.
When MS makes marketing deals with something like Dragon Age, but then the game performs better on PS4 anyways, its not helping MS. And then there will be PS favored games as well like Batman or Battlefield, and maybe Metal Gear (which is huge).
Couple that with some big indies coming in 2015, as well as a few F2P games for PS4 slated to release. The December event is likely to give them some momentum going into 2015 too.
MCC will give X1 a boost this year (not sure by how much), although with the void after that i'm not sure how MS gains momentum enough to "hit its stride."
I asked a question to understand where people are coming from.
Policing would have been trying to enforce something on you and clearly I'm not doing anything of the sort.
No, he's wondering where a comment like this came from because no one here said it would outsell the PS4. Nor did the article suggest that it would.
Again, it's not my intention to be combative or aggressive -- but you are dealing with my area of expertise, and I will question how any and all articles approach data, statistics and economics. It's not of my concern how the original draft looked. You've made a mistake in editing it to include faulty and incomplete data analysis. The very first thing that should have been added to that paragraph is at the very least a reference to the fact that the poll is representative of the US, and not the world.
As an analysis of the Xbox One's first year compared to the 360, it also makes the fundamental mistake, as pointed out throughout this thread, of confusing stock and flow variables and referencing cumulative sales as "pace".
Guardian Monkey
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I think people take this PlayStation vs Xbox way too far, I think they both have their pros and cons. Yes the PlayStation does have better video hardware but the hardware also sounds like a jet engine compared to the Xbox one. On the other side of things they Xbox ones OS is far beyond better than what the PlayStation currently has not to mention that this sound for game chat from PlayStation is atrocious. I think it is too early to tell which system will be the better, even though the PlayStation has the current lead it's not completely unimaginable that the Xbox catches up eventually, if it has better first party games. Most people really can't tell the difference between 900 P and 1080 P anyhow. I just buy most of the games that I have on PS4 for that or multiplayer because all my friends have PS4s now. But for multiplatform single player games I may just get those on the Xbox one because I like but OS better at this point.
I don't see anything big for MS in 2015 outside of holidays, not sure how they will be hitting their stride if thats their plan.
^ if thats their general attitude, i don't think 2015 will be much different than the current status quo.
also, there is a real threat of being overshadowed by Sony's games lineup for next year. Once the ball starts rolling one way there's chance of a big snowball effect. Not only does Sony have big exclusives coming early starting with Bloodborne and The Order 1886, and then likely Uncharted 4 for holidays, but they've got the in-between multiplats in their favor too.
When MS makes marketing deals with something like Dragon Age, but then the game performs better on PS4 anyways, its not helping MS. And then there will be PS favored games as well like Batman or Battlefield, and maybe Metal Gear (which is huge).
Couple that with some big indies coming in 2015, as well as a few F2P games for PS4 slated to release. The December event is likely to give them some momentum going into 2015 too.
MCC will give X1 a boost this year (not sure by how much), although with the void after that i'm not sure how MS gains momentum enough to "hit its stride."
... But sales outside of the holidays actually do go towards your global install base, unlike preseason that doesn't actually mean anything. That is a horrible analogy.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Who said it was going to outsell the PS4 here?
Where did i claim that anyone said it would outsell the PS4? Did i quote anyone here who made that remark?
The piece clearly puts emphasis on Xbox One's competition with PS4:
Seems that mentioning this is topical, they claim its a "big problem" so what is the issue? Do you just not like that i even said it? Are you going to debate the point i made or what?
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Read.
I don't see anything big for MS in 2015 outside of holidays, not sure how they will be hitting their stride if thats their plan.
^ if thats their general attitude, i don't think 2015 will be much different than the current status quo.
also, there is a real threat of being overshadowed by Sony's games lineup for next year. Once the ball starts rolling one way there's chance of a big snowball effect. Not only does Sony have big exclusives coming early starting with Bloodborne and The Order 1886, and then likely Uncharted 4 for holidays, but they've got the in-between multiplats in their favor too.
When MS makes marketing deals with something like Dragon Age, but then the game performs better on PS4 anyways, its not helping MS. And then there will be PS favored games as well like Batman or Battlefield, and maybe Metal Gear (which is huge).
Couple that with some big indies coming in 2015, as well as a few F2P games for PS4 slated to release. The December event is likely to give them some momentum going into 2015 too.
MCC will give X1 a boost this year (not sure by how much), although with the void after that i'm not sure how MS gains momentum enough to "hit its stride."
I have to disagree. I think they'll have a much stronger 2015 than 14. Sony and ms philosophies differ. ms has stacked their holiday with big game after big game while sonny spreads there releases out. you may think that's better but come next holiday when MS has marketing deals with the division, COD and games wxclusive( for a time period) halo, tomb raider quantum break( and most likely another Forza) were going to have the same situation as this year
also ms has much more indies coming in 2015 that they have locked up for a timed period. spac engineers just did really well on the PC space and its only gonna be on Xbox. I'm not saying one game is going to turn the tide but you brought up indies.
same goes for the f2p space. they have 2 big f2p games launching in the beginning of the year.
I'm not saying that Xbox will magically beat ps4, but the article is right. they are hitting their stride
There is a huge power gap between the two, it isn't just about the resolution.
I'm sure Uncharted 4 and many other 1st party games will highlight the gap quite well moving forward.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
If you look at it from a sales curve it's already too late. If you break it down to: innovators, early adopters and early majority you can see that the innovators have bailed. They prefered PS4. The early adopters, the fans, were already sold on the product and keep insisting they're innovators that despite the poor word of mouth upon release is a console that's worth owning.
There is nowhere to go from here. They'll sell some to the early majority and some of the late majority perhaps but the product is more or less dead despite the rigerous beating of this perticular horse. But why shouldn't Microsoft be allowed to make a buck out of their investment?
There is nowhere to go from here. They'll sell some to the early majority and some of the late majority perhaps but the product is more or less dead despite the rigerous beating of this perticular horse. But why shouldn't Microsoft be allowed to make a buck out of their investment?
Thats why I dont get why there are some threads with people dissatisfied that PS4 firmware updates aren't coming out as fast as X1. I figure because they probably dont have any urgency to do so. Its not like anyone is going to trade in their PS4 cuz it does'nt get updates in a timely manner. They already have their ace which is everlasting...... Game performance.
Let's avoid a derail and just call it what it was, a throw away comment that had nothing to do with the article's point or anything someone said.
Walt_Clyde
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Both consoles should hit their strides in 2015 but, based solely on what has already been released (I have both consoles), I have had a much better experience with the XB1.
Sales are mentioned 14 times in the article
PS4 is mentioned 35 times in the article
The piece is clearly comparing the two, thus talking about sales seems topical and on point.
<-- What i basically said, thus agreeing with that part of the article
The only derailing is done by you, you are asking a question, that i answered. My post was absolutely on point, you just did not like what i had say, since you seem not to have a reply ready.
a Master Ninja
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I really don't know how optimistic you can be about the Xbox One in 2015. PS4 had much weaker exclusives in 2014 and still blew the Xbox One and Wii U out of the water. What happens to the Xbox One in 2015 when the PS4 gets good exclusives? The PS4 might not just maintain its momentum, it might gain a bunch.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
That's what you said, it's not in the article. No one here said it, so are you just trolling?
Who are the hardened xbox fans who's fantastical unrealistic dreams you are referring?
AnthonypUK
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Kutch?
You of all people do not get to call anyone a troll. Lets make that very clear here.
That is a piece of the article, you did not read it properly since you claimed it isent, it mentions PS4 and word "sales" several times.
publicpwnerer
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Lol wut!? what do you mean by core? People spend thousands of hours on Minecraft isn't that hard-core enough? It has also consistently being one of the most played xbox live games for a long time by now, They just reacting to the data.
If by core you mean fringe franchises they re doing Phantom Dust (doesn't get any weirder than that).
I can't really answer the definition of core without ruffling some feathers...as everyone has their own interpretation. I have no issue with Minecraft as a game, or it's popularity. What concerns me is Minecraft and various iterations dominating the console in the years to come, and Microsoft chasing the Minecraft money, whilst letting their quality output wittle away.
Essentially, I don't want to see Minecraft become the 360's Kinect all over again.
EDIT: People also spend thousands of dollars / hours on cheap puzzle games or simple tap / swipe dexterity games on the mobile platform....yet that doesn't make them any more desirable to me.
If it hits its stride in Fall 2015, then that is still 2015 and the title is fine.
Guardian Monkey
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Isn't it just a 6950 vs a 7950 more or less. I get it that the 1st party games will look better. But also looking at like Ryse vs Infamous. I couldn't say one was leagues better than the other. The only thing we have seen from uncharted is a cutscene which even though looks great in realtime it is still a cutscene.
Shhhh let him dream
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The article makes a lot of good points. MS has a distance to go but they are doing OK now with the XB1.
They won't outsell the PS4 bit it can be a successful console in its own right.
They won't outsell the PS4 bit it can be a successful console in its own right.
The problem with taking such an attitude is that I only ever turn on my ps4 to play games. Whenever I turn on my Xbox I can play games or do a number of other things that I like to do. I didn't buy either for the OS(though the TV thing really enticed me towards the Xbox) but I sure helps me enjoy them.
The idea of the Xbox hitting its stride has nothing to do with outselling the PS4 in the context of the article. Your original post was on point until that last sentence. It still doesn't make sense why you or anyone else would need to include it as part of a thought here.
First "big" exclusive is probably Bloodborne and then the Order immediately after. Going to be really interesting to see how much they propel the PS4 in February.
Personally, that's what I'm waiting for before I upgrade.
Well games is the PS4s main focus though as they clearly marketed it to be right?
You missed the point of the article completely.
Guardian Monkey
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I still don't understand where Microsoft says they're going to recoup the money for that bit. I mean I love Minecraft I'll probably put well over 100 hours into the game and probably could put another hundred hours more into it but it seems like that game already pretty much peaked. I don't know where they're going to get $2 billion out of it, but hey what other big videogame investment from Microsoft is ever worked out well in the past? Now it's sort of their trend just put down a huge barrel cash for the hip thing at the time and it kind of just then falls off the face of the planet. Notch wins!
TheGameChanger
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Face it, you weren't going to buy it either way.
My main problem with the xbox one now is that multiplayer behind the paywall. The PS4 does this too and I can't afford to pay for multiplayer for 2 systems at the same time. Well I can, but I don't want to. If they really want to turn things around and even have a chance to beat Sony as far as sales are considered, they should make multiplayer free and market this a lot. I highly doubt they will ever do that though.
Not seeing the software for the Xbone to be "hitting it's stride", at least compared to the PS4 next year. The only first party game they have that matters next year is Halo 5. Pretty sure Crackdown is 2016.
2016 they have Gears and Crackdown, maybe Scalebound too. They will also definitely be at $299 by then so I think 2016 is the better year for Xbone.
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Plus there could be some huge multiplats in 2016 - maybe Mass Effect, Fallout, Red Dead, etc.
2016 they have Gears and Crackdown, maybe Scalebound too. They will also definitely be at $299 by then so I think 2016 is the better year for Xbone.
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Plus there could be some huge multiplats in 2016 - maybe Mass Effect, Fallout, Red Dead, etc.
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