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[Vyer]

Clearly you haven't asked kids on college campuses why "Macbooks are the most popular notebook on college campuses." I'm sure you'll get the same answer for why people continue to pay for iPods when there's other mobile players with more functionality for less cost. People are paying for "c(t)ool," they're paying for the Apple name.

...

And I completely get the point of OSX. It's an operating system for the average person that knows no more about computers except that they just want their browser to go to the internet and check their mail, maybe play some of their favorite songs, and arrange their pictures in a nice pretty fashion. That's great and I applaud it. It's a shame it's locked onto overpriced hardware.

:lol :lol

You're going straight into fanboy mode. So much for actual discussion. As someone who has been pretty heavily PC all their life, works with PCs, and has touched an Apple for the first time in their lives only in the last year, I can say you don't know much about what you are talking about.

 

[RevDM]

i want chinese food

 

[lunarworks]

Two comments about the ad:

1) The Mac commercials' characters are an abstract representation of the machines themselves, not the users. Devoted Mac users are just as varied, ranging from my mom to Trent Reznor.

2) The commercial says nothing about WHY PCs are better, other than "Hey dude! All these people use one! Why shouldn't you?"

 

[JzeroT1437]

I can understand how this is a subject which merits five pages of debate.

It's not a bad ad.

 

[SRG01]

The reason people bought iPods originally was because they were among the first widely spread MP3 players to play random MP3's from wherever. People keep using them because compared to something like the Creative Zen the interface is a fucking masterpiece. And the same was true of phones, people have been using ugly, shitty, slow interfaces on phones because no-one was willing to put out anything half decent until apple showed up.

You've got to be kidding me on this. PalmOS? Symbian? Windows Mobile? Android (okay, this one doesn't really count, though it was announced quite a while back)?

Oh, and the reason why some phone OSes are horribly slow is because most platforms rely on Java. I won't get into the reasons why Java was, in hindsight, one of the worst things to happen to handheld development, but its performance has gotten a lot better since a few years ago. There has been some benefits too, such as cross-chip development.

(And the iPod GUI isn't anything special. There's nothing terribly streamlined or intuitive about the interface as compared to other designs.)

 

[Rentahamster]

Har har har whoopsie daisy.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115120

 

[bionic77]

And what do you mean all the other shit? You don't need to download ANYTHING to keep your computer clean. I didn't download it, I was born with it - it's called common sense. OHGOD IM THE 1 MILLIONTH VISITOR I GOT A PRIZE I WONDER WHAT IT IS I LIKE FLASHING LIGHTS BETTER CLICK!

Newsflash, most people are incredibly stupid when it comes to computers and they will find ways to fuck their computers up with malware and viruses. Just a fact of life with XP. None of my friends and family have Vista, so I can't comment on it, but I would much rather recommend a Mac to a casual user than XP at this point.

Mainly because I am tired of having to reinstall Windows every 6 months on their computers. For me, if Macs become vulnerable to viruses they will lose a lot of their appeal. But currently, I recommend Macs to all of my computer illiterate relatives as it ends up saving me a ton of time.

 

[LCfiner]

You've got to be kidding me on this. PalmOS? Symbian? Windows Mobile? Android (okay, this one doesn't really count, though it was announced quite a while back)?

Oh, and the reason why some phone OSes are horribly slow is because most platforms rely on Java. I won't get into the reasons why Java was, in hindsight, one of the worst things to happen to handheld development, but its performance has gotten a lot better since a few years ago. There has been some benefits too, such as cross-chip development.

(And the iPod GUI isn't anything special. There's nothing terribly streamlined or intuitive about the interface as compared to other designs.)

It was pretty damn special back in 2001. So good, in fact, that it's only needed a few minor updates in 7 YEARS!

We take the clickwheel and the things built upon it, like the new zune pad, for granted, but it was pretty awesome and easy to use when it first came out. It's friggin great UI design.

and the iPhone interface is (nearly) a masterpiece. Once again, we're already starting to take for granted the innovation of gestures and the capacitive touchscreen. If other smartphones become easier to use because they borrow from the iPhone then everyone should be happy.

(with that said, I still understand that there's a market out there for phones with physical keypads. I'm not suggesting they should abandon that for all devices)

 

[optimiss]

Two comments about the ad:

1) The Mac commercials' characters are an abstract representation of the machines themselves, not the users. Devoted Mac users are just as varied, ranging from my mom to Trent Reznor.

2) The commercial says nothing about WHY PCs are better, other than "Hey dude! All these people use one! Why shouldn't you?"

Yeah, but the Apple ads were highly misleading, even false in some instances. At least the Microsoft ads don't reduce their credibility.

 

[K0NY]

Har har har whoopsie daisy.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115120

That's funny. It's almost as funny as when I called Apple tech support a couple of times and asked them what hardware they were using.

Spoiler

"Hi, I'm Mac tech support...and I'm a PC."

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Yeah, but the Apple ads were highly misleading, even false in some instances. At least the Microsoft ads don't reduce their credibility.

Out of curiosity, what did you find misleading and false? I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but the commercials are fairly short and generally lacking in any real details to really make false statements. Unless maybe I missed a few.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

That's funny. It's almost as funny as when I called Apple tech support a couple of times and asked them what hardware they were using.

Spoiler

"Hi, I'm Mac tech support...and I'm a PC."

As if they can afford to give out Macs to their tech support...

 

[optimiss]

Out of curiosity, what did you find misleading and false? I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but the commercials are fairly short and generally lacking in any real details to really make false statements. Unless maybe I missed a few.

They do stupid things like compare Mac apps like Garage Band or iPhoto to the Windows calculator. I know it is meant to be funny, but the majority of people, being tech-illiterate, are given false impressions. They could have mentioned Windows Photo Gallery, but they acted like Windows has no solution for managing pictures when in fact it does. Just kinda irks me.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

The PC guy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mac guy

 

[ManaByte]

As if they can afford to give out Macs to their tech support...

As if their tech support chimps can afford a Mac on $9 an hour.

 

[impirius]

It was pretty damn special back in 2001. So good, in fact, that it's only needed a few minor updates in 7 YEARS!

We take the clickwheel and the things built upon it, like the new zune pad, for granted, but it was pretty awesome and easy to use when it first came out. It's friggin great UI design

Nail meet hammer. MP3 players were controlled like portable CD players until the iPod arrived. (I guess they were probably closer to MiniDisc players, but that's not as common of a reference point.) There's a reason the clickwheel is so iconic.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

They do stupid things like compare Mac apps like Garage Band or iPhoto to the Windows calculator. I know it is meant to be funny, but the majority of people, being tech-illiterate, are given false impressions. They could have mentioned Windows Photo Gallery, but they acted like Windows has no solution for managing pictures when in fact it does. Just kinda irks me.

Well, to be fair, Windows Photo Gallery is not really the equivalent to iPhoto. They have some similar functionality but they both do different things as well.

I remember them comparing iLife, which comes on every Mac to a PC that generally doesn't come with that stuff unless you add separate software packages. While iPhoto at least has a similar component on Windows, comparing Windows Movie Maker to iMovie is not even a fair fight, and there are not basic, pre-installed comparisons to iDVD, iWeb, or Garage Band.

So nothing really false there.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

They do stupid things like compare Mac apps like Garage Band or iPhoto to the Windows calculator.

I just watched a bunch of them to try and find any ad that was even close to this, and it doesn't exist. Go to Apple's site and show me this ad, because for now I'm going to call your FUD on Apple's ads that you complain spread FUD about Microsoft.

And OSX is an impregnable fortress of Virus melting code? People want an open ended operating system and they also want it to be secure, and Windows is doing the best it can to provide both. Unfortunately it's hard to pull off completely. OSX is only branded with having no viruses because no one has bothered to make a debilitating one yet. Why bother when you've got the far more massive PC market at your disposal.

And what do you mean all the other shit? You don't need to download ANYTHING to keep your computer clean. I didn't download it, I was born with it - it's called common sense. OHGOD IM THE 1 MILLIONTH VISITOR I GOT A PRIZE I WONDER WHAT IT IS I LIKE FLASHING LIGHTS BETTER CLICK!

I have AVG free running, and I even keep all the passive scans off to conserve system resources. I set it to scan at 4am so it won't interrupt anything. Don't want viruses? Don't be irresponsible on the internet. And should you want to be irresponsible, there's even tools to let you safely do that. But even then, suckers are suckers. Can't help that. Seedy stuff in real life more or less translates right to seedy stuff on the internet.




Clearly you haven't asked kids on college campuses why "Macbooks are the most popular notebook on college campuses." I'm sure you'll get the same answer for why people continue to pay for iPods when there's other mobile players with more functionality for less cost. People are paying for "c(t)ool," they're paying for the Apple name.



Yeah, except there's a rather explicit difference between an Accord and an M5.
PC to Mac is a step backwards in functionality, just with a prettier face.



I wasn't referring to building your own PC literally from scratch. You can get far better deals on hardware (+ windows) from just about any vendor out there (and by that I mean HP, Dell, Gateway, etc), and better yet, you actually get to choose the hardware you want in there based on your needs, should you want to add things.

And I completely get the point of OSX. It's an operating system for the average person that knows no more about computers except that they just want their browser to go to the internet and check their mail, maybe play some of their favorite songs, and arrange their pictures in a nice pretty fashion. That's great and I applaud it. It's a shame it's locked onto overpriced hardware.

It's obvious a discussion on PC vs Mac would be impossible with you, but I'm very curious to hear your explanation on how a Mac is less functional than a Windows computer. Give us examples, because you keep saying it.

 

[optimiss]

Well, to be fair, Windows Photo Gallery is not really the equivalent to iPhoto. They have some similar functionality but they both do different things as well.

I remember them comparing iLife, which comes on every Mac to a PC that generally doesn't come with that stuff unless you add separate software packages. While iPhoto at least has a similar component on Windows, comparing Windows Movie Maker to iMovie is not even a fair fight, and there are not basic, pre-installed comparisons to iDVD, iWeb, or Garage Band.

So nothing really false there.

No, they are false and misleading. The Mac might have better versions, but the PC does have software that offers similar, if inferior, functionality. How is acting like it doesn't honest? There is software the PC has that Macs don't do as well. Media Player beats the pants off of the Quicktime Player. I just think it is dirty dishonest advertising.

I don't like the smug attitude either, heh.

Both platforms have their strengths; for PC's it is customization and variety of software, for the Mac it is ease of use and the inclusion of simple solutions for everyday tasks.

I prefer Apple products for "dumb" devices that require little tweaking or offer limited functionality (like an AppleTV or the iPhone), stuff that you want to just work. But when I want power I go for a PC or a device like an Archos media player that offers a greater range of functionality and customization.

 

[Tobor]

I just watched a bunch of them to try and find any ad that was even close to this, and it doesn't exist. Go to Apple's site and show me this ad, because for now I'm going to call your FUD on Apple's ads that you complain spread FUD about Microsoft.

Not only this, some of the Mac ads are informative. The genius bar ad comes to mind immediately. The fact that a genius will move your data from your old PC to your new Mac for free is compelling.

No, they are false and misleading. The Mac might have better versions, but the PC does have software that offers similar, if inferior, functionality. How is acting like it doesn't honest? There is software the PC has that Macs don't do as well. Media Player beats the pants off of the Quicktime Player. I just think it is dirty dishonest advertising.

I don't like the smug attitude either, heh.

Both platforms have their strengths; for PC's it is customization and variety of software, for the Mac it is ease of use and the inclusion of simple solutions for everyday tasks.

I prefer Apple products for "dumb" devices that require little tweaking or offer limited functionality (like an AppleTV or the iPhone), stuff that you want to just work. But when I want power I go for a PC or a device like an Archos media player that offers a greater range of functionality and customization.

This again, is a completely uninformed view of OSX. OSX is a power users OS, that's the true beauty of it. Simple ease of use for those that want it, and hardcore power for those that need it.

 

[optimiss]

I just watched a bunch of them to try and find any ad that was even close to this, and it doesn't exist. Go to Apple's site and show me this ad, because for now I'm going to call your FUD on Apple's ads that you complain spread FUD about Microsoft.

It's obvious a discussion on PC vs Mac would be impossible with you, but I'm very curious to hear your explanation on how a Mac is less functional than a Windows computer. Give us examples, because you keep saying it.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgzbhEc6VVo

It is the 3rd commercial in.

Edit: oops, saw that was a reply to someone else, hehe. disregard below...

I never said Mac is less functional, stop making things up. I use PC and Apple products, geez.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

No, they are false and misleading. The Mac might have better versions, but the PC does have software that offers similar, if inferior, functionality. How is acting like it doesn't honest? There is software the PC has that Macs don't do as well. Media Player beats the pants off of the Quicktime Player. I just think it is dirty dishonest advertising.

I don't like the smug attitude either, heh.

Both platforms have their strengths; for PC's it is customization and variety of software, for the Mac it is ease of use and the inclusion of simple solutions for everyday tasks.

I prefer Apple products for "dumb" devices that require little tweaking or offer limited functionality (like an AppleTV or the iPhone), stuff that you want to just work. But when I want power I go for a PC or a device like an Archos media player that offers a greater range of functionality and customization.

Their point isn't that there isn't similar software on the PC, but that it comes included on every Mac. I think you missed that part. When you buy a PC, generally speaking it does not come with an equivalent of iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, and Garageband. Their point is that you buy a Mac, you get that stuff, you take it home and you can use it. Now, it is true that Dell and others will let you add that software to your PC, but it'll cost you more to do so. They never say there isn't anything equivalent.

Not liking the "smug attitude" is a matter of personal preference. What you think is smug, others perceive as poking fun at a competitor. I'm not discounting your feelings, but it smacks a bit of a Windows user having his feelings hurt a bit.

It's obvious a discussion on PC vs Mac would be impossible with you, but I'm very curious to hear your explanation on how a Mac is less functional than a Windows computer. Give us examples, because you keep saying it.

I'm still waiting for an explanation on that one as well.

 

[optimiss]

Their point isn't that there isn't similar software on the PC, but that it comes included on every Mac. I think you missed that part. When you buy a PC, generally speaking it does not come with an equivalent of iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, and Garageband. Their point is that you buy a Mac, you get that stuff, you take it home and you can use it. Now, it is true that Dell and others will let you add that software to your PC, but it'll cost you more to do so. They never say there isn't anything equivalent.

Not liking the "smug attitude" is a matter of personal preference. What you think is smug, others perceive as poking fun at a competitor. I'm not discounting your feelings, but it smacks a bit of a Windows user having his feelings hurt a bit.



I'm still waiting for an explanation on that one as well.

OK, you win. The advertisements are not misleading at all.... (rolls eyes)

I would say you worship a little too hard at the Cult of Apple. I use Apple products. I'm just not a fanboy.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgzbhEc6VVo

It is the 3rd commercial in.

When this commercial came out, Vista wasn't out yet, and it was true that XP didn't come with Photo Gallery or all those new media features of Vista. You were still stuck with Paint and Image Preview or whatever they call that. Media Player for audio and video was pretty much it.

I also think you sort of misunderstood the message. It was more about how Mac's iLife products all work together and understand each other, and PC couldn't offer a comparable alternative, which was true at the time.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgzbhEc6VVo

It is the 3rd commercial in.

Edit: oops, saw that was a reply to someone else, hehe. disregard below...

I never said Mac is less functional, stop making things up. I use PC and Apple products, geez.

Wait! That's the ad? Seriously? They don't even hint that there isn't anything equivalent on a Windows machine. He just tells PC to check out the other iLife software, which does have great integration with one another that I haven't seen on a PC apps, such as the ability to share and import projects so easily.

Oh, and I use both Mac's and PC's. I can do the same things on either one of them. I necessarily think that one has functions the other doesn't, and I work IT for a living supporting both products. I even own Macs and PC's. So, yeah, I'm not a fanboy either.

 

[Slavik81]

Nail meet hammer. MP3 players were controlled like portable CD players until the iPod arrived. (I guess they were probably closer to MiniDisc players, but that's not as common of a reference point.) There's a reason the clickwheel is so iconic.

I still think the clickwheel is retarded. I would have much prefered to navigate menus with arrows.

What was really great about the Apple interface was the SOFTWARE. If you kept spinning the clickwheel, your cursor would accelerate. That was TREMENDOUSLY useful. But it could still have just been achieved with holding a button.

I really miss that feature. I presently use an iPod shuffle and for some reason fast forward doesn't accelerate as you hold it. It's strange.

 

[optimiss]

When this commercial came out, Vista wasn't out yet, and it was true that XP didn't come with Photo Gallery or all those new media features of Vista. You were still stuck with Paint and Image Preview or whatever they call that. Media Player for audio and video was pretty much it.

I also think you sort of misunderstood the message. It was more about how Mac's iLife products all work together and understand each other, and PC couldn't offer a comparable alternative, which was true at the time.

No, I get that that was the main point, but I think there is also the subtext that I explained which is not lost on most people, but if not consciously, most definitely subconsciously. Eh, they are good ads (very effective), just misleading in my eyes.

 

[optimiss]

Wait! That's the ad? Seriously? They don't even hint that there isn't anything equivalent on a Windows machine. He just tells PC to check out the other iLife software, which does have great integration with one another that I haven't seen on a PC apps, such as the ability to share and import projects so easily.

Oh, and I use both Mac's and PC's. I can do the same things on either one of them. I necessarily think that one has functions the other doesn't, and I work IT for a living supporting both products. I even own Macs and PC's. So, yeah, I'm not a fanboy either.

I think there are functionality differences between the two, especially when it comes to hardware, but each serve their purposes exceptionally well and there is definitely room for both. I was gonna get a Macbook till all these netbooks came out which serve my needs better. Gigabyte M912V for the win!

 

[Slavik81]

No, I get that that was the main point, but I think there is also the subtext that I explained which is not lost on most people, but if not consciously, most definitely subconsciously. Eh, they are good ads (very effective), just misleading in my eyes.

I love the one with the Mac freezing.
'Force Quit' is one of the most dangerous things you can ever try. The number of times I've had the entire system it lock up on me while trying to force quit a single crashed program...

 

[Tobor]

I still think the clickwheel is retarded. I would have much prefered to navigate menus with arrows.

What was really great about the Apple interface was the SOFTWARE. If you kept spinning the clickwheel, your cursor would accelerate. That was TREMENDOUSLY useful. But it could still have just been achieved with holding a button.

I really miss that feature. I presently use an iPod shuffle and for some reason fast forward doesn't accelerate as you hold it. It's strange.

The touch screen interface on the iPhone/Touch is the future. flicking through menus and lists, scrubbing backwards and forward in a song as fast as you want, it just destroys even the classic clickwheel interface. I give it another year or two until a touch screen Nano is released, and the clickwheel is finally retired to the UI hall of fame.

I love the one with the Mac freezing.
'Force Quit' is one of the most dangerous things you can ever try. The number of times I've had the entire system it lock up on me while trying to force quit a single crashed program...

This is sarcasm, right? The ad had a PC freezing.

 

[Slavik81]

The touch screen interface on the iPhone/Touch is the future. flicking through menus and lists, scrubbing backwards and forward in a song as fast as you want, it just destroys even the classic clickwheel interface. I give it another year or two until a touch screen Nano is released, and the clickwheel is finally retired to the UI hall of fame.

This I could definitely believe. I got my first cell phone a little over a year ago. A Samsung. The UI is atrocious.

The iPhone is way too expensive for me, but I applaud them for pushing the industry forward. It needed a giant kick in the rump. Maybe by the time I buy my next phone...

This is sarcasm, right? The ad had a PC freezing.

Which is why I found it hilarious. OSX froze up more than XP for me.

 

[Tobor]

This I could definitely believe. I got my first cell phone a little over a year ago. A Samsung. The UI is atrocious.

The iPhone is way too expensive for me, but I applaud them for pushing the industry forward. It needed a giant kick in the rump. Maybe by the time I buy my next phone...


Which is why I found it hilarious. OSX froze up as much or more than XP for me.

Ahh, ok. Well, That's not my experience at all, but everyone runs different apps.

 

[Jasoco]

It doesn't work really. If I were a Windows user, the Get a Mac ads would intrigue me because they show what it does and talk about things a lot of Windows users have dealt with. But as a Mac user, this doesn't really make me want to switch to Windows. It doesn't (Once again) even mention Windows. just "PC"'s which is ambiguous since a Mac is a PC too. These ads don't really show me anything that would convince me to switch. Isn't that what an ad is supposed to do?

haha life without walls... so where the heck do i put my windows?

:lol :lol :lol

I never thought of it that way!

everyone seems to be forgetting the whole point of computers is to look at pornagraphy. both mac and pc do it well :lol

The Mac does it safer. Since you don't need a condom.. er virus software.

I give it another year or two until a touch screen Nano is released, and the clickwheel is finally retired to the UI hall of fame.

Nah, they'll still have the iPod classic for all the touch haters. Plus the wheel can be felt without having to look. It's the one flaw with a touch screen and no buttons. You can't feel around without looking at the screen. Which is why they came out with the new headphones with the remote interface on them.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I think there are functionality differences between the two, especially when it comes to hardware, but each serve their purposes exceptionally well and there is definitely room for both. I was gonna get a Macbook till all these netbooks came out which serve my needs better. Gigabyte M912V for the win!

In regards to functionality differences, I mean that you can do the same things on either computer. I can't think of a single thing you can do on one that you can't do on the other. I do however, thing that they have things that the are better at over one another.

Yeah, the netbooks are very tempting to me too. Especially for traveling and writing/blogging. If they ever get one with a solid 12 hour plus battery life, it's going to be extremely hard for me to resist.

 

[mattiewheels]

Har har har whoopsie daisy.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115120

just saw that...but all those guys use macs, right?

 

[Thai]

someone take a screenshot of the french chick because she is the epitome of HAWT

 

[White Man]

Yeah, the netbooks are very tempting to me too. Especially for traveling and writing/blogging. If they ever get one with a solid 12 hour plus battery life, it's going to be extremely hard for me to resist.

There are new eee batteries coming out (or they might be out already in limited quantities) that claim that sort of battery life.

If I keep my brightness down to like 25% and turn off wifi, I get 6.5 hours on a charge as it is now. It's great.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

There are new eee batteries coming out (or they might be out already in limited quantities) that claim that sort of battery life.

If I keep my brightness down to like 25% and turn off wifi, I get 6.5 hours on a charge as it is now. It's great.

Brightness at 25%? That has to be pretty dim, isn't it? Regardless, these seem like the perfect travel companion when you need to go travel light, but don't want to leave your comp behind. Is there a Toughbook version yet? That with the battery life I mentioned above would pretty much be my perfect laptop. :lol

 

[TheHeretic]

You've got to be kidding me on this. PalmOS? Symbian? Windows Mobile?

All 3 of those OS's are terrible. Not to mention non smart phones come with their own flash gui's which are almost always a shitfest as well.

 

[Ariexv]

Theres nothing Windows can do that OSX can't do

Unless something has changed recently there is ALOT of games I can't play on a mac.

 

[shantyman]

I've been a big defender of Vista a an OS for a while now, but it's no secret why people hate the Windows platform. It's tailored to businesses first and consumers second.

Also: For no reason, my dual boot Mac w/ Vista business spontaneously reboots 15 seconds after logging in on the Windows side- no warning at all. Last thing I did was install Chrome, and had rebooted and used it at least one other time since. There is literally no obvious reason this occurs.

Also, these ads would not be bad if they were not engineered as a direct response to Apple. What was a nice point they are making is predictable and trite because it is a response. The fact that they are acknowledging Apple tacitly sets it up for failure.

 

[SRG01]

The touch screen interface on the iPhone/Touch is the future. flicking through menus and lists, scrubbing backwards and forward in a song as fast as you want, it just destroys even the classic clickwheel interface. I give it another year or two until a touch screen Nano is released, and the clickwheel is finally retired to the UI hall of fame.

I disagree. The touch screen interface is good for simple gestures and commands, but tactile response is the best choice for typing and text. Various Nokia, HTC, LG, and Samsung phones have realized this and have beaten the iPhone to market with a touch screen and a slide-out keyboard.

(Personally, I was more impressed with ASUS's touch implementation.)

All 3 of those OS's are terrible. Not to mention non smart phones come with their own flash gui's which are almost always a shitfest as well.

Java. And are you seriously calling PalmOS and Symbian terrible? REALLY?

 

[Juice]

Thanks guys! This thread has really helped me to flesh out my ignore list. (I won't say who earned the honors. )

Really, though, could this be any more of a meaningless FUD-fest? There's never any point in arguing "what" an OS can do, the only merit worth rating an OS is how it can be done.

OS X runs circles around Windows on that metric in many areas. It still hasn't matured in others, generally those that benefit service-driven business applications.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

There are new eee batteries coming out (or they might be out already in limited quantities) that claim that sort of battery life.

If I keep my brightness down to like 25% and turn off wifi, I get 6.5 hours on a charge as it is now. It's great.

Do you know how soon? That battery is probably going to be pretty expensive then if the 6 cells that are coming out are like 1/3 of the price of the netbook itself supposedly.

 

[pjberri]

Both platforms have their strengths; for PC's it is customization and variety of software, for the Mac it is ease of use and the inclusion of simple solutions for everyday tasks.

I prefer Apple products for "dumb" devices that require little tweaking or offer limited functionality (like an AppleTV or the iPhone), stuff that you want to just work. But when I want power I go for a PC or a device like an Archos media player that offers a greater range of functionality and customization.

You need to understand that none of this shit is true.

 

[Tobor]

I disagree. The touch screen interface is good for simple gestures and commands, but tactile response is the best choice for typing and text. Various Nokia, HTC, LG, and Samsung phones have realized this and have beaten the iPhone to market with a touch screen and a slide-out keyboard.

(Personally, I was more impressed with ASUS's touch implementation.)



Java. And are you seriously calling PalmOS and Symbian terrible? REALLY?

Physical keyboards are fine for some people, I prefer the iPhone interface. I can actually type faster on the iPhone.

That being said, it wasn't the point of my earlier comment. I was specifically referring to the touch screen interface versus the iPod clickwheel or Zune pad for music selection and control.

And read Heretic's post again, he said non-smart phones. Are you even reading what you're quoting?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I'd more impressed with Apple if I wasn't literally looking at a great big crack in my MacBook as I type this.

 

[Unlimited4s]

I've been a big defender of Vista a an OS for a while now, but it's no secret why people hate the Windows platform. It's tailored to businesses first and consumers second.

Also: For no reason, my dual boot Mac w/ Vista business spontaneously reboots 15 seconds after logging in on the Windows side- no warning at all. Last thing I did was install Chrome, and had rebooted and used it at least one other time since. There is literally no obvious reason this occurs.

Also, these ads would not be bad if they were not engineered as a direct response to Apple. What was a nice point they are making is predictable and trite because it is a response. The fact that they are acknowledging Apple tacitly sets it up for failure.

are you running vista 64bit on your mac?

 

[shantyman]

are you running vista 64bit on your mac?

Nope, 32 Bit Vista Business. I checked the system logs and nothing is showing up that jumps out at me as the cause. Safe mode works fine. I am trying to decide if I want to troubleshoot more or just start over.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Java. And are you seriously calling PalmOS and Symbian terrible? REALLY?

I won't comment on Symbian, as I've had limited experience with it. Seems very good though, but Palm OS? Are you serious? Palm OS was good, about five years ago. Since then, nothing has changed, and it now looks and feels so dated. It's kludgy and slow, and is badly in need of an overhaul. To even mention it with the more modern cell phone interfaces is just ridiculous.