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Inafune: "I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyones making awful games"
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Japanese games as a whole are only really worse than Western games in one respect right now: online play. In general, Japanese online games are clunkier and have fewer features than online games from the West. Take two months off, go play some Halo, Modern Warfare, and Team Fortress 2, maybe some World of Warcraft or something I don't know.
Other than that, the only differences are stylistic ones, and the only real failures have been when Japanese devs have tried too hard to make their games appeal to the West. When they do this, they never go far enough to get it "right" and they only end up alienating both the Japanese and Western audiences.
Other than that, the only differences are stylistic ones, and the only real failures have been when Japanese devs have tried too hard to make their games appeal to the West. When they do this, they never go far enough to get it "right" and they only end up alienating both the Japanese and Western audiences.
cosmicblizzard
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Yu Suzuki'd, eh? How ironic considering Platinum.
Solid warrior
Banned
I think Western gamers are behind the reason that Japanese publishers are able expand their business worldwide, there are a lot of Japanese games fans in the west, and they are eager for more Japanese titles.seady said:
The western media bias or whatever you're talking about is certainly a matter of subjectivity. sorry, but you're making it look like that there is some kind of a secret society that is controlling the media, I'm sure you realize that there are a lot of video games websites, blogs, message boards and magazines in the west.
Last, I think that Western developers have been trying their best to be as innovative as possible on different game genres. you name it, RPG, Shooters, Simulation, etc.. and there has been a lot of successful western titles that are not shooters. but the fact still stands that the western market tends to like 'shootan gaems' more.
As much as I'd personally like to disagree with Inafune, he's right. When I look at my library, for the most part, it is nothing but Western titles. All of the past generations, my titles have almost been exclusively Japanese. Most of the significant titles that come to mind this generation are Western. We do have a few standout Japanese titles, but other than something like The Last Guardian, GT5 or MGS, there's not been all that much that has really caught my eye. You do have interesting niche titles here and there like 3d Dot Heroes though, but overall, Japan doesn't seem to be the gaming powerhouse on this current gen like they were for the previous ones.
Maybe he saw this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T24w8clnzA&feature=player_embedded
ShockingAlberto
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Solid warrior said:
*hides cloak*
cosmicblizzard
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kevm3 said:
When I look at my library, I say that he's wrong. Funny how our tastes define where we stand in this whole debate, right?
Fimbulvetr
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ULTROS! said:Maybe Inafune can go to Platinum Games when he leaves.
They better get a restraining order before he taints them.
Then they can spread the word to Mikami.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Jin34 said:
Transformers is Japanese actually. It just happened to become more popular in the west because transforming robots are kind of awesome.
Solid warrior
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Jew?ULTROS! said:
j/k
cosmicblizzard
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Fimbulvetr said:
It's technically both.
PopcornMegaphone
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cosmicblizzard said:
Well, sales figures quoted in the article state your library is in the minority. I think that's what Inafune is really getting at.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Not really, I've seen worse by obscure western developers.Atomski said:
cosmicblizzard
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PopcornMegaphone said:
Now that's a better argument. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to say "what I have determines what's popular". I'm guessing PC only gamers from 10 years ago or so didn't have many Japanese games.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I have no idea if I am allowed to name porn games produced by America, but there are some fairly high-budget ones.Atomski said:
Not Assassin's Creed high budget or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same amount of money went in to producing Galgun as did...uh, ____Town.
This is a real shame, no wonder the big names left to Platinum Games and wanted control to make what they wanted. All the people left in Capcom keep on thinking about how to 'please' western audiences, when all they should be doing is trying to create a game that is great.
Seriously, copying western developers is not going to help the Japanese game industry.
Seriously, copying western developers is not going to help the Japanese game industry.
ShockingAlberto
Member
But Platinum games are about appealing to the west, they just don't do it at the sacrifice of their own style.AngelComa said:
PepsimanVsJoe
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InfiniteNine said:
And I've seen worse by obscure eastern...oh wait.
What's the point of this now?
I'm disappointed by every country in the world.
Pureauthor
Member
Atomski said:
something something Skittles something something
ShockingAlberto
Member
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Because that's pretty much a death sentence on consoles, not that they do well on PCs either.Atomski said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
If we're talking actual porn games, they can't be on consoles because the manufacturers would not approve them.Atomski said:
If we're talking about stuff that is creepy as shit, we have things like The Guy Game.
Fimbulvetr
Member
PopcornMegaphone said:
That has more to do with appealing to tastes than quality.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Which ended up being stealth child porn!ShockingAlberto said:
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I dunno it at least looks playable. That's more than I can say about quite a few games.ShockingAlberto said:
The West have a contradicting expectation from Japanese games.
Side A. The Western hardcore gamers wants them to make games with the "Japanese flavor" - weird, quirky, and in some way ridiculous. It's a problematic stereotypical Western view of the Japanese community. When they see crazy stuffs like Bayonetta or No More Heroes they will say that's awesome and it's Japanese. The problem with this is that these games do not sell in millions in the West and will always be a niche. When they don't sell people will say they are not keeping up.
Side B. To counter this, Japanese developer have no choice but to add more "Western flavor" into their games. However, when they do this, people will say their games being too Westernized and lost their Japanese characteristic, complaints everywhere and no one want their games.
This contradicting expectation from the West is just going to push the Japanese development into a dead end, and eventually their whole market will shrink and become a niche.
Side A. The Western hardcore gamers wants them to make games with the "Japanese flavor" - weird, quirky, and in some way ridiculous. It's a problematic stereotypical Western view of the Japanese community. When they see crazy stuffs like Bayonetta or No More Heroes they will say that's awesome and it's Japanese. The problem with this is that these games do not sell in millions in the West and will always be a niche. When they don't sell people will say they are not keeping up.
Side B. To counter this, Japanese developer have no choice but to add more "Western flavor" into their games. However, when they do this, people will say their games being too Westernized and lost their Japanese characteristic, complaints everywhere and no one want their games.
This contradicting expectation from the West is just going to push the Japanese development into a dead end, and eventually their whole market will shrink and become a niche.
PopcornMegaphone
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Fimbulvetr said:
If you read his quotes he's clearly referring to tastes. He's concerned about the decline of Japanese games in the marketplace.
Timekiller
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No matter who he is and does, he's right, Itagaki and Mikami's announced games are so stupid and flat, it's just embarassing for the japanese industry, and embarassing for the western one too as they're totally resonating with the same stuff.
The "wild, creative" side of their industry should be identified with the bullshit ridiculousness of Hollywoodish guns and martial arts against demons? Oh god.
At least a few developers are making stuff worth experiencing, from From Software to Ueda's to Atlus to...
The "wild, creative" side of their industry should be identified with the bullshit ridiculousness of Hollywoodish guns and martial arts against demons? Oh god.
At least a few developers are making stuff worth experiencing, from From Software to Ueda's to Atlus to...
Fimbulvetr
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PopcornMegaphone said:
"everyone's making awful games."
charlequin
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I want to pick on something from the article for a second here.
That is so insane. It's like using morbidly obese people as healthy-living models because they've stored up so many more rainy-day calories than anyone else.
Platinum's too good for him. He can work for, like, Tin Games.
That is so insane. It's like using morbidly obese people as healthy-living models because they've stored up so many more rainy-day calories than anyone else.
ULTROS! said:
Platinum's too good for him. He can work for, like, Tin Games.
PopcornMegaphone
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Fimbulvetr said:
Awful wasn't have to mean low quality. It can mean "not appealing to a mass market". Read the whole quote:
I think he's a business man worried about the viability of his company.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Inafune getting fired from Capcom and working for Tose would be like one of those sad twilight zone episodes where the protagonist is stuck putting coins in a vending machine forever because he can't help it, then the machine falls on him and the last thing he does is try to put in another coin.
Pureauthor
Member
PopcornMegaphone said:
If he's worried about the viability of his company, the last place he should be taking influences from is the west.
ShockingAlberto
Member
But the best selling games this generation from his company were all made in-house.PopcornMegaphone said:
The worst selling ones were outsourced to western developers!