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India state minister on rape: 'Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong'

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Home minister in BJP-run Madhya Pradesh state describes rape as a 'social crime' in comments playing down rapes

The political leaders of Uttar Pradesh, the state where two cousins aged 12 and 14 were raped and hanged last week, have faced criticism for failing to visit the scene and for accusing the media of hyping the story.

A regional politician from Modi's own Bharatiya Janata party (BJP), said that the crime of rape can only be considered to have been committed if it is reported to police.

"This is a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong," said Babulal Gaur, the home minister responsible for law and order in the BJP-run central state of Madhya Pradesh.

"Until there's a complaint, nothing can happen," he told reporters.

Gaur also expressed sympathy with Mulayam Singh Yadav, head of the regional Samajwadi party that runs Uttar Pradesh. In the recent election, Mulayam criticised legal changes that foresee the death penalty for gang rape, saying: "Boys commit mistakes: will they be hanged for rape?"
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The father and uncle of one of the victims said they tried to report the crime to local police but were turned away. Three men have been arrested over the killings. Two policemen have been held on suspicion of trying to cover up the crime.

Although a rape is reported in India every 21 minutes on average, law enforcement failures mean that such crimes – a symptom of pervasive sexual and caste oppression – are often not reported or properly investigated, human rights groups say.

More sex crimes have come to light in recent days. A woman in a nearby district of Uttar Pradesh was gang-raped, forced to drink acid and strangled to death. Another was shot dead in northeast India while resisting attackers, media reports said.
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I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.
 
This is a timely reminder that electing people into public office is a very serious choice. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong.
 
Kinitari said:
I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.
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I think he's literally arguing that rape is sometimes justified.

And in defense of the local politician who thinks rape (specifically, gang rape) is a "boys will be boys" right of passage.
 
I feel like I'm missing something. I read it again and it still sounds like what the fuck.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
I think he's literally arguing that rape is sometimes justified.

And in defense of the local politician who thinks rape is a "boys will be boys" right of passage.
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Ok, so I'm not trippin. How bizarre.
 
Agnostic said:
I feel the same way about political assassinations.
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duckroll said:
This is a timely reminder that electing people into public office is a very serious choice. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong.
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I can't.

Seriously, do these guys have mothers? Sisters? How the hell do you get to this point where the "legitimacy" of rape is kind of up in the air, she deserved it, she didn't, etc.

What the hell is wrong with these guys?
 
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Kinitari said:
I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.
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I think this is another way of saying that there's rape and then there's "rape rape". Ridiculous.
 
Victim - "Hello, police, I'd like to report a rape."

Police - "What kind of rape was it? Was it a good rape or a bad rape?"
 
duckroll said:
This is a timely reminder that electing people into public office is a very serious choice. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong.
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the funny thing about this is that rape is so common in india that i cant help but wonder if he'll actually get more support because of this.
 
Another win for the Rape Lobby.

I want to say how the fuck do people even think it's OK to say this stuff, let alone get into positions of authority, but seeing as the rest of the world isn't too far off with some of the awful victim blaming they pull all the time I can't really say I'm surprised.
 
Well, welcome to India, where women are 17th class citizens. And the men are all poor anyway. So, in other words, India is, in a few ways, hell on earth. Because these things are the norm. This is genuinely fucking horrible. Sorry, but rape deserves life in jail in basically every single circumstance.
 
I'm gonna need an example of when it's right because I'm blanking. I don't get how someone could read those words and be like "Oh yeah, that makes sense, yeah we're cool"
 
Kinitari said:
I can't parse this. He said it was a crime, and then said it was sometimes right? I'm trying to approach this as a mistranslation, because that happens a lot.. But I don't know how it would be one.

Maybe he meant the "sex" in this case was a crime, and sometimes sex us right and sometimes it's wrong? It's still a ridiculous thing to say in response to this incident, but it makes him a smidgen less of a monster.
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I think this means something like "She probably did something and deserved to be raped". Its not so different from how some Americans view rape over here as well.
 
Were things always that bad in India? How can this happen, you would expect politicians to have somewhat more of an education than the common street person, how can they have such views? Is it some sort of cultural thing st this point? I just can't understand.
 
Mumei said:
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Hey, those two charts are the same...oh.

God dammit, world. Does anyone still deny that misogynistic attitudes directly contribute to violence against women?

shuri said:
Were things always that bad in India? How can this happen, you would expect politicians to have somewhat more of an education than the common street person, how can they have such views? Is it some sort of cultural thing?
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I think it's more that it's only now being widely reported and protested. Kind of hard to sweep these things under the rug in the modern interconnected world.
 
Ricky Ricardo said:
I can't.

Seriously, do these guys have mothers? Sisters? How the hell do you get to this point where the "legitimacy" of rape is kind of up in the air, she deserved it, she didn't, etc.

What the hell is wrong with these guys?
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I honestly believe that they don't see women as people. They're close to people, but not there, and thus the boys are worth more.

I also suspect that they believe that the women secretly enjoyed it, which is another nasty lie that rape deniers fall back on.
 
The fact that a lot of indian officials have publicly defended rape points to the fact that this is a cultural problem in india, not just isolated incidents. Im honestly wondering how it got to this point, cause india never seemed as morally backwards as some of the middle eastern countries.
 
I....how....

Did those actual words come out of his mouth? As in, a boy makes the "mistake" of raping someone and it's shrugged off like "boys will be boys?"

I can't. I just fucking can't.
 
BeauRoger said:
The fact that a lot of indian officials have publicly defended rape points to the fact that this is a cultural problem in india, not just isolated incidents. Im honestly wondering how it got to this point, cause india never seemed as morally backwards as some of the middle eastern countries.
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Look up the Caste system.
Patryn said:
I honestly believe that they don't see women as people. They're close to people, but not there, and thus the boys are worth more.

I also suspect that they believe that the women secretly enjoyed it, which is another nasty lie that rape deniers fall back on.
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The male-selecting infanticide definitely would support that.
 
Ragav said:
Nice. People here seems to know more about India than me, i'm truly flattered
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yes india has a lot of great in it. there's a lot of cool things about the cuisine and culture, but there also appears to be a fuckton of rape, and that's what we're talking about. and yes, if people want to shit on the country as a whole while expressing their dismay of the rape problem there, then so be it, because rape is a pretty huge problem. saying "there's a lot of nice things in india but rape isnt one of them" in every indian rape thread comes off a bit strange, don't you agree?
 
Mumei said:
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That's very interesting. Had no idea Norway was ahead of Sweden.

It's also interesting that Australia and Canada, both offspring of the UK, is doing better than the mother country.

US have lots of immigrants, I wonder if that bad stats comes from them or the natives.
 
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