those look exactly the same? glad you dont get to make these decisions then.
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inFAMOUS: Second Son runs at 1080p and 30FPS
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those look exactly the same? glad you dont get to make these decisions then.
I also think that both pairs of images look exactly the same. I see what you mean though. If they're side by side I can watch that last attack closely and kind of tell. But there's a difference between a side by side comparison and noticing it when isolated. I could never play a game and actually tell if it was 60 or 30 fps. (Actually, I can't tell between 1080 and 720 either.)
I agree for fighting games. Not that I would necessarily be able to feel the difference, but just to keep with the standard time measurement units.
Mammoth Jones
Member
LOL @ "Get away with it" as if they owe us anything. They create a product. I decide if said product is worth my money.
For an open world game 30fps is fine to me. For a FPS it's not....to me.
Then you simply haven't played 60fps often enough.
Or seen 1080p often enough.
As soon as you're used to 60fps or 1080, the difference is not only noticable but pretty huge.
Where else do you accept shiney aesthetics in place of up to date performance?
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Nope, 60fps looks better but to those that are not used to the higher framerate the difference is not quite as pronounced.
Mammoth Jones
Member
To me 30fps is acceptable performance for certain genres. Open world games would be one of them. Sure if I could choose 60fps with no dips @ 1080p I would in a heartbeat. But do I feel scorned that devs may need to compromise to reach a good balance of visual fidelity vs fluidity? No. I'm not shocked and I'd play such a game. In fact I am. I'm enjoying AC4 very very much at 30fps.
Outright Villainy
Member
I agreed, this gif is a poor example for comparison (not in sync & 16fps vs 33fps). In this link show true one.
Maybe this gif might be better one: 50fps vs 25fps
This isn't a great example because it's against a black background, low framerate isn't as jarring on the eyes for character animations. When the backgrounds are rotating around you its a lot more noticeable, hence why its especially important for fps games with a constantly moving twitchy point of view instead of the looser movement of a thirdperson camera. Even then its very easy to tell apart though. A better example would be booting up DSfix, locking the framerate to 30, pan the camera around a bit and try and do some rolling (basically any quick movements), then set it to 60 and do the same, the difference is night and day.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Either your laptop has problems displaying gifs or you have some kind of vision impairment
the bottom f zero one looks smooth as glass
...Yes, "Better graphics" is the correct word, problem is going 1080p doesn't necessarily guarantee that. All it's really doing is spending a ton of resources to get you smoother edges, which could also be resolved by using a custom antialiasing technique that is less resource intensive, like what they're doing with Assassins Creed Black Flag.
Here's an example of how you can get better graphics with lower resolution. The 2 images below are likely taking up around the same amount of resources, one is at 1080p with less, the other at 720p with more going on...
Which do you prefer? which has the better "Graphics"
the 720p one isn't scaled, both are downsampled in this gif (lol)
the 1080p one doesn't have texture filtering (ahahaha)
Try harder
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I don't think it's the graphics. I think it's the CPU holding them back.
I just don't see how you can accept it as "good balance". 30fps is the hardware not coping with the level of stress the visuals are putting on it.
My point is where else do you accept hardware that tries to push itself forward at the expense of its own performance?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Jesus, are people still trying to convince themselves that less detail is clearer than more detail?
WeAreStarStuff
Member
I mean maybe it's my work PC, but I'm rocking a BBG terminal with three monitors, so I don't know. I've not gamed on a PC since my freshmen year of college in 2001. I have a laptop at home, but it's just for email/internet so I doubt it would be strong enough.
SneakyStephan
Banned
What does any of this have to do with not seeing the difference?
Sounds like you're just rationalising having to settle for 30 fps
Keihart
Member
So.... people who don't mind 30 fps are wrong because master race knows better?...right.
Time to go dump some games to the trash can, my eyes have been open.
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Time to go dump some games to the trash can, my eyes have been open.
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Since the topic it's about inFamous SS at 30 fps, sure if the game could run at 60 fps it would be nice, but saying that people who don't mid playing it at 30fps are just blind or ignorant it's an exaggeration. It's no settling, it's preference since hardware resources are limited.
Sounds reasonable. Though I hope I never get so used to it that less becomes difficult to stand, honestly. In this case ignorance is kinda bliss, considering that so many games are 30 fps sub 1080 or both. I'd have no choice but to go PC.
sono
Member
Pretty much sums up my thoughts, we want no compromises on 1080p AND 60fps
Unknown One
Member
PC is not all sparkles either. Poor optimizations is everywhere for next gen games. My pc probably could not run AC4 at 60 fps. Name one open world console game that is 60 fps.
lol anyone have the context to this gif?
I too, am a little disappointed in no 60FPS.
Edit: Read it on the last page.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Don't ask Milla certain questions.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
They said it may be my computer having a problem with the gifs, and lol at that confirmation bias. Yes my not seeing a difference is me settling. Carry on.
From the looks of it, Infamous doesn't either.
WoolyNinja
Member
The problem with the bouncing square example is they slowed down the 30fps square. If they made it travel the same distance as the 60fps square in the same amount of time it'd be harder to tell the difference.
Yes, 60fps is smoother than 30fps, and yes it does make a difference. However, I'll always prefer a higher quality/res image over 60fps.
Metalmurphy
Member
Interviewer joked about her father that was in jail or something, but it was all faked.
For singleplayer, story stuff, I will always take more visual effects at a solid 30 FPS rather than less stuff to get 60. Even for PC gaming. Obviously, with good hardware, you'll eventually max out the effects and still get a 60, which is great, but if the cycle could continue indefinitely, I would always choose to cram in better visuals at 30.
Different story for MP games.
Different story for MP games.
jim2point0
Banned
That's normal. In Need for Speed Rivals, if you make the game run at 60 FPS, the game goes much faster. Almost to the point where you can't control the car. So lowering something to 30 FPS will make it go slower.
TetraGenesis
Member
Sigh... Yep.
