The great appeal of Haswell is not overclocking, it's battery life for mobile devices. THAT is relevant information.
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Intel Haswell reviews embargo lifted
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The great appeal of Haswell is not overclocking, it's battery life for mobile devices. THAT is relevant information.
Yes - pretending like enthusiasts here only care about raw desktop performance and not gaming laptops, tablets, convertibles, etc. is being awfully narrow-minded. There isn't a focus on a desktop performance because it's pretty much unnecessary for 99% of tasks.
I thought the overclock issues were related to the TIM. Which was just a cost cutting measure. No reason they couldn't have spent the extra couple of pennies on the K desktop models and passed the cost onto the customer. Everyone wins.
I don't think anyone claimed that it's not a good update for laptops, or that the graphics improvements aren't intriguing (there is even a separate thread about that).
None of that changes the fact that it's a disappointing desktop CPU. The fact that Intel clearly didn't focus on desktop performance when designing the chip does not change this, it merely explains it.
Then for who is the i7-4770K created?
josecitoxnyo
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Looks like buying that 3770K really cheap 2 months ago was the best choice to make. I need 8 more gigs of ram and bring on Nvidia 7xx 
opticalmace
Member
Ditto. I am fine with my Sandy desktop, but my Merom laptop needs an upgrade!
30% faster for twice the price is running laps?
I'd actually like to see AMD go back to their small die strategy like the HD4000/GTX200 days. Cheap GPUs that made nVidia drop their ridiculous prices.
Intel already did that with Sandy Bridge. Sure you can still overclock, if you buy the k version and don't care about virtualisation.
fluffydelusions
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When can we actually order/ buy them? Next week?
Core 2 Duo E8400 here
Honestly as outdated as shit my CPU is, garbage updates like this (for desktop parts) still make it hard to justify an upgrade...somehow.
Visualante2
Member
Well more that the desktop market is in decline and Intel is making sure their chips remain relevant to consumer trends. Not just the alleged 1% you cite.
The reason why Nvidia isn't offering sharper prices, because AMD isn't a threat. Their driver support is still pretty lacking as well when it comes to sli/xfire, Lightboost, etc.
Core 2 Duo E8400 here
Best CPU ever along with P2-400
longdi
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Core 2 Duo E8400 here
Honestly as outdated as shit my CPU is, garbage updates like this (for desktop parts) still make it hard to justify an upgrade...somehow.
i7 4770k will still run circles around you c2d bro...
If you only care about halo products.
Shalashaska161
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It's disappointing that it's been 3 years now and I haven't been the slightest bit tempted to move off my i7-930. On the plus side I'm really getting my moneys worth out of it.
i7 4770k will still run circles around you c2d bro...
Well obviously, but it just seems like a poor value for money proposition regardless given that you would expect there to be more significant performance increases by now.
What?
My second computer still has an e8400 too. Although any CPU intensive games for example Crysis and battlefield runs like shit. Haswell, ivy and Sandy will run rings around it. My main PC has Ivy and when I use the other one, lol. It's no comparison. A lot of games still work though!Core 2 Duo E8400 here
Honestly as outdated as shit my CPU is, garbage updates like this (for desktop parts) still make it hard to justify an upgrade...somehow.
RibbedHero
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Another step down in OC potential from Intel, goddamn it. Also, what's up with the cheap thermal paste they seem to be using? I'm not yet comfortable with delidding.
There are plenty of price points where AMD is competitive. Not everyone is willing to shell out $1000 for a GPU.
Visualante2
Member
How many people is that really appealing to? The real battlefield for GPUs is single card users. Niche of a niche. /OT
InsertCredit
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Indeed. I wonder if the rumoured 8/16 IB-E model will see the light of day. Hard to imagine how they would fit that in and not invalidate the Xeon line.
Still, it'd be nice.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
goddamit that is crazy:O
Retina Haswell Macbook Pros... How long can you last? Guess we will see at WWDC june 10th. right before/after the console press events.
Ken Masters
Banned
So what's this translated into English in relation to MacBooks?
What is delidding?
Yeah, it's pretty insane. My old A6 17 inch laptop with a 6650m and 1600x900 screen resolution runs about 4 - 5 hours on battery. That laptop is an i7 17 incher with a GTX 780M (4GB GDDR5) and a screen resolution of 1920x1080 and it lasts just as long if not longer!
They aren't, even in the range where their GPU's outperform Nvidia's . Nvidia's tend to sell better either way.
Nvidia performs better in the single card department as well. It's apparently appealing to a lot of people seeing they're outselling AMD across the board. Again the high prices from Nvidia, because people are buying Nvidia stuff either way. Nvidia can ask more money while offering less, because AMD is not a threat.
alexandros
Banned
Agreed. Better IGP performance and longer battery life were the reasons I'm interested in Haswell and so far it looks like the chip delivers.
Brand recognition and marketing sure helps a lot. Even in the Fermi days they outsold AMD and GF100 was a horrible chip. Then again, I think you're missing the point anyway.
Oh my!
What's the point? Nvidia has way better cards period. When AMD cards offers better price/performance, it's because it's in a segment Nvidia doesn't need to lower it's price. Still drivers are important. It bugs me to no end how AMD keeps lagging with their drivers lacking advanced features. I have an unlocked 6950 fyi.
AMD is fighting with price, because they can't fight on performance.
cartman414
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They still put more priority on desktops, and don't want it to be at that platform's expense.
If the sole focus of Haswell was only about mobile parts, then why the other improvements (more USB 3.0 lanes, SATA3, AVX2, etc.)? Why can't the more enthusiast parts (i. e. K processors) be given more performance leeway?
michaelius
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That will be amazing chip for notebooks but the desktop parts suck.
But on the other hand mine 2500K which does 4500 with minimum voltage bump seems like best buy since pentium III
But on the other hand mine 2500K which does 4500 with minimum voltage bump seems like best buy since pentium III
RibbedHero
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Better CPU performance and much better graphics performance. Poor overclocking doesn't matter for Macbooks, but CPU will get hotter.
Removing the combo lid (heat spreader) off of the CPU and replacing it to allow for better heat dissipation.
Wasn't Intel planning on releasing a fully functional SB-E (8C/16T) before IB-E was released? Perhaps they canned the idea because the 6C version was already running at 150W.
This is different than applying the thermal paste for purposes of a cpu heatsink cooler correct?
The Celeron's based on that were even better. You had about a four out of five chance of running perfectly happily at 100 MHz FSB, instead of their stock 66MHz. Which made them into 450MHz processors and the equal of the 450MHz Pentium II. They were spectacular value for money.
Dreams-Visions
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Fantastic. But fucking hideious.
Bring on the new Macbook Pro and HP Elitebook Pro reviews.