Guess magnetic northpole, book shelf, gravity something something
Felt a bit like a leftover from the 2009 draft where Coop brought home the crashed probe which turns out to be the key to the data. Can't remember if the Combine tractors went nuts in that draft though.
The Chinese part would have certainly eliminated the "everyone on earth is slowly starving to death and America is the only place seemingly working on a solution" vibe I got
It was quite confusing that he went into a black hole and then ended up behind a bookcase in the past. And then the whole thing had to be explained by a robot which took away effectiveness that the scene could have had (if it was clearer). It's not really a paradox to say that many of his movies have too much exposition, this one being the worst, whilst at the same time not doing it particularly well in other instances.
What I loved about the Chinese in the 2009 draft was not so much the semi-creepy vibe of the abandoned base on the planet but the fact that TARS goes into the blackhole just slightly before Coop and then administers the place for thousands of years.
"23 years" as a mindfuck is peanuts compared to that.
What I loved about the Chinese in the 2009 draft was not so much the semi-creepy vibe of the abandoned base on the planet but the fact that TARS goes into the blackhole just slightly before Coop and then administers the place for thousands of years.
"23 years" as a mindfuck is peanuts compared to that.
I like to think that after the credits Cooper goes "....eh....fuck Brand and her space babies." and we get a TARS and Cooper space buddy adventure sequel.
This seemed like a step down from everything else he's done of late. I blame the script, myself.
Also, I hated the editing in this movie. The intercutting of the fight with Damon and the bullshit happening on earth was just amateur hour. Nolan needs someone to tell him "no". That and the whole angry, violent son/brother sub-plot.
Those theories are complicated by implying everything went the same save for the last variable. Coop gave himself coordinates to NASA in the black hole. I made sense of it as a bootstrap paradox, which some might call cliche. It wouldn't be a paradox to fifth dimensional beings who don't perceive time linearly. An extension of Coop giving himself coordinates to NASA. When they filtered the information into three dimensions, Coop observed it as fast forwarding and rewinding the timeline of Murph's room; consider how that information must looks unfiltered. It's within reason these beings can exist before they save themselves.
Another boneheaded decision they made was with the order in which they visited the planets.
You have 3 planets. One experiences a relativistic factor of 61,320x that of Earth, meaning every second on the planet is 17 hours on Earth. The other two planets don't have this effect. Why would you ever consider visiting this planet first, even if you only planned to spend an hour there? This should have been a last resort, not the first stop in the new galaxy.
I don't think you should be calling the movie boneheaded when your complaint comes from simply not paying enough attention in the movie. The characters brought up that exact problem in the movie and gave their logic as to why they went there.
Those theories are complicated by implying everything went the same save for the last variable. Coop gave himself coordinates to NASA in the black hole. I made sense of it as a bootstrap paradox, which some might call cliche. It wouldn't be a paradox to fifth dimensional beings who don't perceive time linearly. An extension of Coop giving himself coordinates to NASA. When they filtered the information into three dimensions, Coop observed it as fast forwarding and rewinding the timeline of Murph's room; consider how that information must looks unfiltered. It's within reason these beings can exist before they save themselves.
Coop could only give himself the coordinates if he went through the wormhole. The first time it happened coop never went to nasa when there was only one plan, coop likely died on earth then
It was quite confusing that he went into a black hole and then ended up behind a bookcase in the past. And then the whole thing had to be explained by a robot which took away effectiveness that the scene could have had (if it was clearer). It's not really a paradox to say that many of his movies have too much exposition, this one being the worst, whilst at the same time not doing it particularly well in other instances.
I didn't find it confusing at all; as soon as I saw the bookcases I assumed it was a physical representation of time as had been previously discussed in the film.
Pros:
- Visuals were absolutely incredible. Everything on the planets including Evil Matt Damon and docking bit were outstanding.
- Great Zimmer soundtrack as always.
- Atmosphere was amazing - Tars, emptiness of space, etc.
Cons: - Everything past the blackhole was hokey as shit. Sorry but the morse code / second hand of watch stuff was corny.
- I didn't care about anybody on Earth... like at all.
- Way too much exposition, some cheesy dialogue.
I thought it was well done and in keeping with scientific theory. Theory goes that universe is made up of vibrating strings (super string theory). I thought the part where Cooper uses these "strings" to send back a morse coded message was clever. Of course he is human and he cannot possibly control or interact with these so called vibrating strings but i thought it was a wonderful concept the director played on.
That and the black hole being a 5th dimension kind of gives the black hole scene a bit of believability if i may say so.
Black holes, especially the singularity are parts of science where all known theories of the universe break down.
Brilliant play by Nolan to use the black hole as a means to break the known barriers and scienfitic theory of spacetime as a 3rd dimension to communicate with Murph.
I actually had a huge smile on my face and had an OMG look on my face when i saw this part.
I saw it last night and absolutely loved it. It was a wild ride! However there are a few questions I don't know the answers to:
1. Why has the space station at the end stopped at Saturn. Could it not have gone through the wormhole and gone on to populate one of the planets? They could have even saved Brand right?
2. What was Brand meant to do with the fertilised eggs? Was she meant to impregnate herself every nine months for the forseeable future to bring the human race back? If so, why weren't all the members of the mission female? Leaving the entire hope of the human species to one person and one womb sounds like bad odds. Also would she have to deliver all the babies herself since she's alone?
3. Does the black hole collapse after Coop goes through it? Does the wormhole near Saturn also collapse? What would no black hole mean for Brand's planet if that's the case?
I'm kind of confused as to what kind of data he gave her. How much data can you possibly give someone by tapping out morse code for a few seconds? And based on that she was able to build that spaceship?
I saw it last night and absolutely loved it. It was a wild ride! However there are a few questions I don't know the answers to:
1. Why has the space station at the end stopped at Saturn. Could it not have gone through the wormhole and gone on to populate one of the planets? They could have even saved Brand right?
2. What was Brand meant to do with the fertilised eggs? Was she meant to impregnate herself every nine months for the forseeable future to bring the human race back? If so, why weren't all the members of the mission female? Leaving the entire hope of the human species to one person and one womb sounds like bad odds. Also would she have to deliver all the babies herself since she's alone?
3. Does the black hole collapse after Coop goes through it? Does the wormhole near Saturn also collapse? What would no black hole mean for Brand's planet if that's the case?
2. What was Brand meant to do with the fertilised eggs? Was she meant to impregnate herself every nine months for the forseeable future to bring the human race back? If so, why weren't all the members of the mission female? Leaving the entire hope of the human species to one person and one womb sounds like bad odds. Also would she have to deliver all the babies herself since she's alone?
I'm forgetting the details now but i thought they had an incubator or something to grow the fertilised eggs. Otherwise how was Dr Mann ever going to carry out plan B when he stole the ship?
3. Does the black hole collapse after Coop goes through it? Does the wormhole near Saturn also collapse? What would no black hole mean for Brand's planet if that's the case?
I think the answer to both questions is no. At the end Murph sends Coop to go and find Brand so the wormhole must still be open for that to be possible. As for the blackhole if that collapsed then i would think that would have a terrible impact on the planets they were planning to inhabit which would have ruined the purpose of it in the first place.
I saw it last night and absolutely loved it. It was a wild ride! However there are a few questions I don't know the answers to:
1. Why has the space station at the end stopped at Saturn. Could it not have gone through the wormhole and gone on to populate one of the planets? They could have even saved Brand right?
2. What was Brand meant to do with the fertilised eggs? Was she meant to impregnate herself every nine months for the forseeable future to bring the human race back? If so, why weren't all the members of the mission female? Leaving the entire hope of the human species to one person and one womb sounds like bad odds. Also would she have to deliver all the babies herself since she's alone?
3. Does the black hole collapse after Coop goes through it? Does the wormhole near Saturn also collapse? What would no black hole mean for Brand's planet if that's the case?
3. No the black hole does not collapse. Cooper (somehow) makes it through to the other end of the black hole and ends up back at Saturn which means the wormhole is an entry and exit point BUT if this were true why didn't the Endurance end up coming out of the black hole when they went through the wormhole in the first place (this part is kind of confusing).
2. Brand is a scientist. She probably knows or has extensive knowledge on the repopulation procedures. I would guess that the other member of the Endurance were chosen based on their scientific knowledge and expertise. Brand likely was the only suitable female candidate. Then again, you only need one female to start anew.
1. That is likely what happens though i dont understand why Cooper at the end steals or takes one of the spacecraft.
My guess is to go through the wormhole again and go to assist Brand on Edmunds planet (New Earth).
I'm kind of confused as to what kind of data he gave her. How much data can you possibly give someone by tapping out morse code for a few seconds? And based on that she was able to build that spaceship?
It looks like the equation info she wrote down was pages long based on all those pages she flung into the building. Also that building they were in underground from where they launched the rocket WAS the spaceship/space station. It was airtight, it just didn't have any rockets to launch it. But once they had control of the force of gravity you could make it do anything you want, so moving a big object like that from Earth to Saturn would be easy
It was hathaways people who discover the 5th dimension and use it to transmit data back in time to coop and his daughter. It was through hathaway after coop saved her that she was able to help coop fulfill his promise to his daughter that he could see Her again
I think the first time it happened, coop died in the black hole but Hathaway lived but this allowed hathaways people to control the makup of the black hole using THR 5th dimension to transmit the data back
It is easier to just accept that humans had evolved as a collective, to the point that they have surpassed their 3rd dimension and that they viewed this moment has a critical moment in the history of the species enough to ensure that they guided Cooper to communicate with his daughter.
Now re-read what I have written above, and realise just how ridiculous it sounds.
It would have been better if Cooper had blacked out in the black hole and had awoken in the future, with his daughter figuring out the equation all by herself. Safer, easier, and a lot less ridiculous.
It looks like the equation info she wrote down was pages long based on all those pages she flung into the building. Also that building they were in underground from where they launched the rocket WAS the spaceship/space station. It was airtight, it just didn't have any rockets to launch it. But once they had control of the force of gravity you could make it do anything you want, so moving a big object like that from Earth to Saturn would be easy
Nolan deserves praise just for not going Hal 9000 with the robots. I was convinced that was going to happen when the one saw Murph's transmission and that he would edit it before the rest of the crew saw it.
The volume bothered me too, even in non-IMAX. I like Zimmer but it was almost physically painful, it was so loud. In some scenes I could barely hear what characters were yelling because of the soundtrack or sound effects, and in a couple of other cases I might have just not understood them in general.
Overall it seems audience impressions of this and Big Hero 6 are similar, but critic ratings are lower on Interstellar. It's funny that I saw two movies on back to back days with representations of (minor spoiler from Big Hero 6):
Regarding spoiler questions, I see that someone already seems to have asked the main stuff I was wondering about, namely:
A. How did Cooper get back out -- the blackhole destroyed his ship but didn't damage his suit at all, and the mysterious beings placed him back near Saturn?
B. How did he have enough oxygen to survive -- this was the relativistic thing where time went really slow for him, so he basically appeared outside Saturn after the people from earth built their space station there?
C. When the robot said they were closing the tesserect, this just meant they were closing the 3D representation he was dealing with, and not actually closing the wormhole, so there's still a path back to Edmund's planet?
D. What happened with the black scientist? I got a little confused there, but I think what happened was the crazy guy on the planet rigged the old robot to explode when a human activated it, and as a result the crazy guy's base blew up killing the black scientist (but not fertilized eggs which were not in that location), and there were two ships/landers still available to go back to the docking ring?
E. If Cooper goes back to Edmund's planet to find Dr. Brand, won't she be so old as to be nearly dead now? I didn't catch any mention of Edmund's planet being close enough to the black hole to slow time as much as it slowed for Cooper.
Nolan deserves praise just for not going Hal 9000 with the robots. I was convinced that was going to happen when the one saw Murph's transmission and that he would edit it before the rest of the crew saw it.
That was a kind of odd thing about the movie. The Murphy's law apparent misquotation (De Morgan's?) probably bothered me more than any hokey science, but it seemed funny that humans appeared to have developed practically sentient AI that can perfectly communicate with humans, including various emotional states, yet the only thing it is shown doing is controlling some ex-military robots.
I thought he died drifting into space after he blew open the airlock trying to dock with the Endurance. How did they recover his body before the slingshot around Gargantua?
I thought he died drifting into space after he blew open the airlock trying to dock with the Endurance. How did they recover his body before the slingshot around Gargantua?
I thought he died drifting into space after he blew open the airlock trying to dock with the Endurance. How did they recover his body before the slingshot around Gargantua?
That guy was a different scientist (Dr. Mann?). Dr. Brand's love interest was Dr. Edmunds.
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I forgot, another question was about cause and effect, but maybe that's intentionally a paradox that is not supposed to be explained? If the humans were the super advanced beings who sent back warnings in time, how could humans have escaped earth to begin with? They would never have escaped before they had the data etc. This is probably a thing in tons of time travel stories though.
I thought he died drifting into space after he blew open the airlock trying to dock with the Endurance. How did they recover his body before the slingshot around Gargantua?
It is easier to just accept that humans had evolved as a collective, to the point that they have surpassed their 3rd dimension and that they viewed this moment has a critical moment in the history of the species enough to ensure that they guided Cooper to communicate with his daughter.
Now re-read what I have written above, and realise just how ridiculous it sounds.
It would have been better if Cooper had blacked out in the black hole and had awoken in the future, with his daughter figuring out the equation all by herself. Safer, easier, and a lot less ridiculous.
It would have been cool to have Cooper basically exist for eons (by his reckoning) in the black hole only to be retrieved by a very advanced human civilization sometime in the future and hailed as a hero for having transmitted the message back to Murph many many years ago.
That guy was a different scientist (Dr. Mann?). Dr. Brand's love interest was Dr. Edmunds.
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I forgot, another question was about cause and effect, but maybe that's intentionally a paradox that is not supposed to be explained? If the humans were the super advanced beings who sent back warnings in time, how could humans have escaped earth to begin with? They would never have escaped before they had the data etc. This is probably a thing in tons of time travel stories though.
It would have been cool to have Cooper basically exist for eons (by his reckoning) in the black hole only to be retrieved by a very advanced human civilization sometime in the future and hailed as a hero for having transmitted the message back to Murph many many years ago.
That would have been a great premise as well since drifting to or near a black hole slows down your time significantly. Thousands of years could pass other places and for Cooper he could be drifting there for mere hours or days.
Any reason why they couldn't create colonies on Mars? I mean they had the tech to make intelligent AI, spaceships capable of traversing wormholes, cryosleep pods, etc.
It would have been cool to have Cooper basically exist for eons (by his reckoning) in the black hole only to be retrieved by a very advanced human civilization sometime in the future and hailed as a hero for having transmitted the message back to Murph many many years ago.
Any reason why they couldn't create colonies on Mars? I mean they had the tech to make intelligent AI, spaceships capable of traversing wormholes, cryosleep pods, etc.
That would have been a great premise as well since drifting to or near a black hole slows down your time significantly. Thousands of years could pass other places and for Cooper he could be drifting there for mere hours or days.
Just came back from watching it. I felt like I was watching the equivalent of a "Christian Movie" but for space travel. A society that no longer beleives in God space travel, but a Man is told about mankinds salvation from certain doom by means of Jesus NASA. He leaves family to spread the faith find a suitable planet. Whilst on the way due to some bad events he has a major crisis of faith to the point where he wishes he never left etc. But in the end, when all seems lost a miracle happens, his faith is restored and he realises this was all part of God's plan man's destiny. Add in some crap about love crossing dimensions and bang Christian movie no.999 Interstellar.
How is this confusing? The black dude states they were gone for a long time and he used the machines to sleep.
So Coop was sent back in time a year right? Right before he ditches Brand he says "That maneuver just cost us 125 years" but when he wakes up the doctor says he has only been gone for 124 years.
