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Couldn't Cooper leaving simply be that he went to do what he does best? Exploring and piloting? His goal to go out there is to find Brand but who is to say what he will find or do to get to her. The point of him leaving was that he had nothing left to tie him back to those humans back there. His family is dead, relatives that don't know him, and at the end of the day he would have left anyways. He wanted purpose.
 
UltimaPooh said:
But nobody knew about the mission, so that would be the reason why no one picked her up cept Coop.
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Mission would have long been common knowledge. That guy showing Cooper around Cooper station, wrote a biography on Cooper, which implies Cooper was well known.

Also most people on that station probably worked directly on the colony on Earth.
 
Jarmel said:
Someone earlier in the thread stated that Nolan confirmed the wormhole was closed.

Otherwise anybody could have picked Brand up.
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And without the wormhole open, the Earth/Colony would never have gotten a message from Brand as to her whereabouts assuming Cooper's tesseract event took essentially no time and closed the wormhole immediately after.
 
When Cooper came through the wormhole and met his daughter (on her death bed) time had progressed for Brand too, right? Wouldn't Brand be close to the same age at that point? Why even bother trying to make it to her? She'll be dead long before you can make it.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
People obviously knew about the mission and Brand. Considering that Murph herself was the one who told Cooper to go find her, without him stating anything about her.
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Cooper was probably debriefed and he told them about Brand. Somebody then relayed the info to Murphy. Doesn't really matter either way.
 
skylenorman said:
When Cooper came through the wormhole and met his daughter (on her death bed) time had progressed for Brand too, right? Wouldn't Brand be close to the same age at that point? Why even bother trying to make it to her? She'll be dead long before you can make it.
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Not necessarily depending on the amount of time dilation she's experiencing while orbiting Gargantua. Depending on the distance though you very well could be right.

People forget that the final shots of Brand on the planet have zero context of time relative to Cooper so it's impossible to say.
 
skylenorman said:
When Cooper came through the wormhole and met his daughter (on her death bed) time had progressed for Brand too, right? Wouldn't Brand be close to the same age at that point? Why even bother trying to make it to her? She'll be dead long before you can make it.
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Cooper and Brand went near it together so they would have 'aged' roughly the same. Brand was still near Gargantia when Cooper went in.
 
skylenorman said:
When Cooper came through the wormhole and met his daughter (on her death bed) time had progressed for Brand too, right? Wouldn't Brand be close to the same age at that point? Why even bother trying to make it to her? She'll be dead long before you can make it.
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Wasn't all that time accumulated when Cooper and Brand were in the black hole's pull? And showing Brand unaged at the end implies that is her at the current time (going with the cutting between space and Earth sequences)
 
Jarmel said:
Cooper and Brand went near it together so they would have 'aged' roughly the same. Brand was still near Gargantia when Cooper went in.
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Right, but while he was pushing books and gravity-ing watches, she was setting up her colony. While he was beyond the horizon time continued without him. Which is why his daughter was now old. By that rationale wouldn't Brand also be an old lady on her planet?
 
skylenorman said:
When Cooper came through the wormhole and met his daughter (on her death bed) time had progressed for Brand too, right? Wouldn't Brand be close to the same age at that point? Why even bother trying to make it to her? She'll be dead long before you can make it.
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I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on the whole wormhole/blackhole and time relativity but the argument of the film is that the planet Brand was in doesn't have a relative time difference than earth and the time difference came with them spending time on the water planet and the traveling through the black hole for Cooper on the way back. He can theoretically reach her within her lifespan but by the time they come back, depending on their method of travel, the humans will be at a different time period. Similar to how they got to Mann and the astronaut who waited for them and time had passed, because they were on the outside of the time changing area.

Jarmel said:
Cooper was probably debriefed and he told them about Brand. Somebody then relayed the info to Murphy. Doesn't really matter either way.
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She seemed to already be on her death bed surrounded by family, unless the implication was that she only got sent to the hospital at one point after Cooper got recovered and debriefed. But yeah at that point it didn't matter for the audience.
 
skylenorman said:
Right, but while he was pushing books and gravity-ing watches, she was setting up her colony. While he was beyond the horizon time continued without him. Which is why his daughter was now old. By that rationale wouldn't Brand also be an old lady on her planet?
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His daughter aged when he skimmed Gargantia. When he crossed the event horizon, all time stuff goes out the window. There is no time dilation inside the black hole/tesseract.
 
neshcom said:
Wasn't all that time accumulated when Cooper and Brand were in the black hole's pull? And showing Brand unaged at the end implies that is her at the current time (going with the cutting between space and Earth sequences)
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The editing certainly implied that but it also didn't give anything concrete in that regard.

Valhelm said:
Who made the wormhole?
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Hyperhumans/aliens/God. Cooper theorizes they are future humans but they might actually be either of those three.

Valhelm said:
What exactly did Murphy discover?
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She completed the quantum theory of gravity and unified it with the other fundamental forces. Translation: science magic creates FTL travel.
 
Jarmel said:
His daughter aged when he skimmed Gargantia. When he crossed the event horizon, all time stuff goes out the window. There is no time dilation inside the black hole/tesseract.
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Not to mention he was very clearly moving through 4D space, so obviously saying "time passed" wouldn't even be logical. It's still taking a very 3D centric view of things. You don't see someone walk a few feet and say "Distance passed" when he can easily walk back and return to his starting point

Aurongel said:
She completed the quantum theory of gravity and unified it with the other fundamental forces. Translation: science magic creates FTL travel.
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I wouldn't call gravitational manipulation FTL travel. They're not traveling super fast, they're bringing space closer together
 
I saw it for a 2nd time tonight with my mom and sister, and it finally clicked with me. I liked it a whole lot more than when I saw it opening night. I was sorta cold on he emotions of the movie the first time I saw it, however I felt it tonight. Especially during the video messages, Coop's goodbye, and when he sees his daughter for the first time in 90 something years.
 
Just saw it and I'm not sure what I just watched.

Can anyone run it by me again how Cooper went in the black hole and ended up in his daughter's bookcase 23 years back in time?

I thought the first hour was a little hour was a little on the boring side, the second hour was exciting, visuals were stunning, and at the time I was starting to think it was very good, and the third hour was just confusing.. and not in a good way like in Inception. In a way that makes me think "My god, what is this gibberish clusterfuck."
 
Aurongel said:
She completed the quantum theory of gravity and unified it with the other fundamental forces. Translation: science magic creates FTL travel.
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Film never mentioned anything about FTL travel, the gravity anomalies were used to launch their big ass space equivalent ark(s) into space before Earth's condition worsen to the point of becoming completely inhabitable.
 
Super-secret underground NASA launches a rocket and nobody notices.
Nobody questions the disappearance of a father of two young children.
There are assumed foot shortages but nobody riots.

I liked the movie, in parts, but there were so many holes in the plot. The bit with Mann was the best part of the whole movie, I thought.
 
Atraveller said:
Film never mentioned anything about FTL travel, the gravity anomalies were used to launch their big ass space equivalent ark(s) into space before Earth's condition worsen to the point of becoming completely inhabitable.
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Just because you got the thing into space, doesn't necessarily mean it's going anywhere without propulsion. They had to use some form of warp.
 
Jarmel said:
His daughter aged when he skimmed Gargantia. When he crossed the event horizon, all time stuff goes out the window. There is no time dilation inside the black hole/tesseract.
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For him. But time as we know it on Earth continued, as did time for Brand when Cooper detached her and sent her outside Gargantuan. I probably need to see it again, but what I got was he exited the wormhole many years later. Time didn't progress for him, which is why he still looks the same, but time continued outside the singularity. By that rationale I'm assuming that Brand would be much, much older.

If Cooper and Brand entered at Earth Time X and stayed in for the equivalent of Y Earth Years, then Cooper ejected Brand at Z Earth Time.

Upon his exit from the horizon, Cooper's daughter would be aged X+Y, where as Brand would be X+Z. Time is only disrupted when you're in, or around the singularity. Beyond that it remains a constant.
 
Lothar said:
Just saw it and I'm not sure what I just watched.

Can anyone run it by me again how Cooper went in the black hole and ended up in his daughter's bookcase 23 years back in time?

I thought the first hour was a little hour was a little on the boring side, the second hour was exciting, visuals were stunning, and at the time I was starting to think it was very good, and the third hour was just confusing.. and not in a good way like in Inception. In a way that makes me think "My god, what is this gibberish clusterfuck."
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As far as I can understand the other wordly future humans/gods put him in the book case because of:

1. The time loop. Cooper was the ghost that Murphy had in her room that pushed the book cases. He had to give himself and her the coordinates to NASA and do everything that happened prior, such as doing the "Stay Away" message.

2. Cooper had to relay the message of the data to Murphy. Since he could only affect the bookcase and things in the vicinity of the room he did it via the watch, since he knew she'd keep it. He realized it wasn't him they had chosen to solve the equation, but her.

Both are equally important. She spent her time in that room all throughout her life and went there at the crucial moment when she was older.
 
soultron said:
Super-secret underground NASA launches a rocket and nobody notices.
Nobody questions the disappearance of a father of two young children.
There are assumed foot shortages but nobody riots.

I liked the movie, in parts, but there were so many holes in the plot. The bit with Mann was the best part of the whole movie, I thought.
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NEVER.
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Atraveller said:
People noticed, and then what? People are going to un-launch it?
Cut off funding? Ask for answers? This is a public who teaches in school that the Apollo lunar landings were fake.

Two young children, they didn't go with Cooper.
That's not what I'm talking about. If someone's father was to disappear, there would no doubt be questions asked.

How do you know there weren't any?
Because Nolan doesn't bother to expand on the world he's built; he leaves it in terms too simplistic that it starts to crumble a bit when you try to poke it.
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skylenorman said:
For him. But time as we know it on Earth continued, as did time for Brand when Cooper detached her and sent her outside Gargantuan. I probably need to see it again, but what I got was he exited the wormhole many years later. Time didn't progress for him, which is why he still looks the same, but time continued outside the singularity. By that rationale I'm assuming that Brand would be much, much older.

If Cooper and Brand entered at Earth Time X and stayed in for the equivalent of Y Earth Years, then Cooper ejected Brand at Z Earth Time.

Upon his exit from the horizon, Cooper's daughter would be aged X+Y, where as Brand would be X+Z. Time is only disrupted when you're in, or around the singularity. Beyond that it remains a constant.
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Well more like Brand 'aged' X+Y+Z. X and Y being distorted with Cooper and Z without. So now you have to figure out how close Brand was to the event horizon when Cooper went in. Assuming she was still pretty close (as she could hear him going in without much delay), which by all accounts she was, then she might have aged a few years but nothing that substantial.
 
soultron said:
Super-secret underground NASA launches a rocket and nobody notices.
Nobody questions the disappearance of a father of two young children.
There are assumed foot shortages but nobody riots.

I liked the movie, in parts, but there were so many holes in the plot. The bit with Mann was the best part of the whole movie, I thought.
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1. Who said nobody noticed? The point was that the earth situation was there for the set-up afterwards the focus shifted into space. We as the audience don't 'care' at that point no need to revisit it and show us how the world changed. Especially how scenes later we have the whole planet with time skips on earth. Many possible explanations can be given as to why the rocket launched. The point wasn't that though. The government could say "we'll cut off funding" and then continue. It was already secret.

2. How do you know nobody questioned it? Again, we had focus on the earth setting, then it went to space, then we basically don't go back to earth except for a few video messages with very few words. They aren't going to tell him everything going down. Just enough about the family situation.

3. You can guess my question to your question by now.
 
soultron said:
Cut off funding? Ask for answers? This is a public who teaches in school that the Apollo lunar landings were fake.

That's not what I'm talking about. If someone's father was to disappear, there would no doubt be questions asked.

Because Nolan doesn't bother to expand on the world he's built; he leaves it in terms too simplistic that it starts to crumble a bit when you try to poke it.
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Cut off funding? Ask for answers? The plan is already in motion, at this point do you think the government will give a shit? They could just make up more lies.

And why does Nolan have to show everything on Earth when the movie is mostly about space exploration?
 
In the early Spielberg script, the US government is essentially non-existent and what's left are small Republics. Take from that what you will.
 
soultron said:
Super-secret underground NASA launches a rocket and nobody notices.
Nobody questions the disappearance of a father of two young children.
There are assumed foot shortages but nobody riots.

I liked the movie, in parts, but there were so many holes in the plot. The bit with Mann was the best part of the whole movie, I thought.
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Who cares if people notice the rocket? Who cares if people notice Cooper's disappearance? They're extraneous details that don't affect the plot at all.

I don't why you assume there aren't any riots. We don't see any in Cooper's town, but there's obviously worldwide calamity going on outside of that.
 
Jarmel said:
Mission would have long been common knowledge. That guy showing Cooper around Cooper station, wrote a biography on Cooper, which implies Cooper was well known.

Also most people on that station probably worked directly on the colony on Earth.
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Cooper station was named after Murphy Cooper. No one knew of the mission, cept Murphy. She was also the only one who learned of the who the ghost was.
 
Favorite line:

"That's not possible."

"No, it's necessary."

Anyway, this movie is another example of how Nolan likes to take smart, real-world, high-concept ideas, and Hollywood-ize them so the masses can understand them. From my understanding, The Dark Knight, Inception, Dark Knight Rises, and Interstellar (and probably Batman Begins too) all could have been much smarter and more subtle movies. If they'd done that though, they'd probably go right over the heads of general moviegoers. Basically all the subjects in that movie were things I'd already known about either from Astronomy class in college, watching a shitload of space documentaries, or reading too much Wikipedia. That said, I really appreciate Interstellar for taking those subjects and actually trying to get general audiences interested in them. Most of the people seeing this movie probably didn't know shit about time dilation, the crazy effects of gravity, gravitational lensing, or four-dimensional space.
 
B-Dubs said:
The world is coming to an end by that point, even a fool could see it. Do you really think people would care that they were lied to in that situation, especially when the guys who lied to them show up with a way to save everyone's lives?
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And I don't think the people in high offices who greenlit this project are idiots, they wouldn't just drop it mid-way.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
As far as I can understand the other wordly future humans/gods put him in the book case because of:

1. The time loop. Cooper was the ghost that Murphy had in her room that pushed the book cases. He had to give himself and her the coordinates to NASA and do everything that happened prior, such as doing the "Stay Away" message.

2. Cooper had to relay the message of the data to Murphy. Since he could only affect the bookcase and things in the vicinity of the room he did it via the watch, since he knew she'd keep it. He realized it wasn't him they had chosen to solve the equation, but her.

Both are equally important. She spent her time in that room all throughout her life and went there at the crucial moment when she was older.
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Why can he only affect the bookcase and the watch? Why wouldn't they give him access to a computer or something so he can type a message like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
 
In Dr. Brand's(male) mission statement he,or Cooper, mentioned that NASA got disbanded because they refused to bomb starving people. So yea there were riots but the world seems to be at the state where people have come to accept and deal.

Cooper's world is a post-apocalyptic one with a final apocalypse coming.
 
RedSwirl said:
Favorite line:

"That's not possible."

"No, it's necessary."

Anyway, this movie is another example of how Nolan likes to take smart, real-world, high-concept ideas, and Hollywood-ize them so the masses can understand them. From my understanding, The Dark Knight, Inception, Dark Knight Rises, and Interstellar (and probably Batman Begins too) all could have been much smarter and more subtle movies. If they'd done that though, they'd probably go right over the heads of general moviegoers. Basically all the subjects in that movie were things I'd already known about either from Astronomy class in college, watching a shitload of space documentaries, or reading too much Wikipedia. That said, I really appreciate Interstellar for taking those subjects and actually trying to get general audiences interested in them. Most of the people seeing this movie probably didn't know shit about time dilation, the crazy effects of gravity, gravitational lensing, or four-dimensional space.
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thast a good point.

Nolan tries to makes moves that are smart and can make money.
 
soultron said:
Super-secret underground NASA launches a rocket and nobody notices.
Nobody questions the disappearance of a father of two young children.
There are assumed foot shortages but nobody riots.

I liked the movie, in parts, but there were so many holes in the plot. The bit with Mann was the best part of the whole movie, I thought.
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oh come....ON

that is like asking why didnt the eagles take the hobbit who had the right to near mount doom

1. It is STATED in the movie that the US government is secretly funding this project.
2. Most people see he is isolated on a farm and the father in law can cover for him.
3. There is a statement clearly made about bombs being dropped as an idea for food shortages which nasa refused to do
 
RedSwirl said:
Favorite line:

"That's not possible."

"No, it's necessary."

Anyway, this movie is another example of how Nolan likes to take smart, real-world, high-concept ideas, and Hollywood-ize them so the masses can understand them. From my understanding, The Dark Knight, Inception, Dark Knight Rises, and Interstellar (and probably Batman Begins too) all could have been much smarter and more subtle movies. If they'd done that though, they'd probably go right over the heads of general moviegoers. Basically all the subjects in that movie were things I'd already known about either from Astronomy class in college, watching a shitload of space documentaries, or reading too much Wikipedia. That said, I really appreciate Interstellar for taking those subjects and actually trying to get general audiences interested in them. Most of the people seeing this movie probably didn't know shit about time dilation, the crazy effects of gravity, gravitational lensing, or four-dimensional space.
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As somebody who has little knowledge about the complexity of it all, it's very appreciated.

Lothar said:
Why can he only affect the bookcase and the watch? Why wouldn't they give him access to a computer or something so he can type a message like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
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I can't really explain it and the movie doesn't either really outside of continuing the loop of the ghost in the bookcase. Plus I doubt she had a computer in her room. Or many people had a computer at all. The watch he knew for a fact he could affect in one part of the loop and that it would remain intact at a later date due to the emotional significance of it to Murphy plus the durability.
 
Jarmel said:
In the early Spielberg script, the US government is essentially non-existent and what's left are small Republics. Take from that what you will.
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I feel like the movie could have done a better job at conveying the state of the world. The focus of the earth stuff was so heavily restricted in scope to about 5 characters with only vague reference to what year it was, how many people were still alive, what governments were still around, and who was doing what and where to survive in this world.

Jason's Ultimatum said:
How would humans create a wormhole?
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And why, if 5 dimensional omnipotent future humans were capable of doing it, would they open it near Saturn and not near earf?
 
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