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Watch this again or watch Nightcrawler?

nightcrawler was good.

 

[Aurongel]

I never thought about this.

I still don't buy that they are future humans, the only time that's mentioned is when coop speculates.

There's no concrete answer, it's ambiguous. The fifth dimensional beings might just as well be aliens or God depending on how you view it. Considering that they exist in a dimension independent of time means they might have ascended there in an alternate timeline where humans survive. They are not bound by temporal paradoxes.

I don't think there's a concrete answer, it's all speculation based on something that is already theoretical and unproven.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Still pretty confused by the end of the movie. A few questions maybe you guys can help with:

- How is it MM is just all of a sudden woken up by the future humans? How did he get out of the gravity/time cube thing?

- The whole ending sequence is super dream like? I was confused if all of that stuff was really happening? Like with walking through the old country farm house looking like a museum? Why was everything in a tunnel? Was it a different type of gravity of that planet?

- So Murph was pretty much about to die right? She makes her peace with her father but did the other people in the room know MM was there? They just didn't even realize who he was? They didn't really say much to him walking into the room?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

There's no concrete answer, it's ambiguous. The fifth dimensional beings might just as well be aliens or God depending on how you view it. Considering that they exist in a dimension independent of time means they might have ascended there in an alternate timeline where humans survive.

I don't think there's a concrete answer, it's all speculation based on something that is already theoretical and unproven.

I agree completely which is why I'm frustrated with the bootstrap talk. that line from coop is making everybody take it as fact.

what is the exact line anyways?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Still pretty confused by the end of the movie. A few questions maybe you guys can help with:

- How is it MM is just all of a sudden woken up by the future humans? How did he get out of the gravity/time cube thing?

- The whole ending sequence is super dream like? I was confused if all of that stuff was really happening? Like with walking through the old country farm house looking like a museum? Why was everything in a tunnel? Was it a different type of gravity of that planet?

- So Murph was pretty much about to die right? She makes her peace with her father but did the other people in the room know MM was there? They just didn't even realize who he was? They didn't really say much to him walking into the room?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder

 

[Aurongel]

I agree completely which is why I'm frustrated with the bootstrap talk. that line from coop is making everybody take it as fact.

what is the exact line anyways?

TARS says "They didn't send us here to change the past" then Coop follows up by theorizing how "we brought ourselves here". It's an acceptable theory that makes that part of the film work in the moment but it could just as well be anything else. The beings never manifest themselves in a physical way (thank goodness...) so there is literally no way to know for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder

Never heard of this before, it reminds me of the Citadel from Mass Effect.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder

Oh thats cool! I guess there was a similar effect/theory put into Elysium?

 

[SJRB]

I saw it yesterday and gave it quite a bit of shit, but the movie has been on my mind non-stop. The black hole and the relativity of time was beyond intruiging.

 

[raindoc]

I thought the future humans originated from the cultures being brought on the spacecraft for Plan B.

both plan A and plan B rely on the wormhole. no wormhole = no future humans. but no future humans = no wormhole.
everything's got an end and a beginning - even a loop, as you draw it. if you want to claim otherwise, in the 3 hrs movie you're making, at least hint at the "how?" once.

 

[Discotheque]

My logic prof looks kind of like Jessica Chastain's geeky sister so it was a trip to see her solving math equations in this haha

 

[kabel]

I saw it yesterday and gave it quite a bit of shit, but the movie has been on my mind non-stop. The black hole and the relativity of time was beyond intruiging.

I had wet eyes when Coop saw the video messages when he came back to the Endurance.


At that moment I realized how mercilessly time is.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The IMAX screen is so much bigger and brighter than a normal screen, I couldn't cry in secret the second time around.

 

[duckroll]

Oh thats cool! I guess there was a similar effect/theory put into Elysium?

It's the basic concept of all space colonies in scifi. As far as human understanding of theoretical space colonies go right now, if we were to build on it would probably be like that.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

It's the basic concept of all space colonies in scifi. As far as human understanding of theoretical space colonies go right now, if we were to build on it would probably be like that.

Nasa also has researched it more than most large colonies.

 

[El_Presidente]

My girlfriend was confused by the round space colony too..... come on people, did no one watch Gundam?!

 

[Blader]

It's the basic concept of all space colonies in scifi. As far as human understanding of theoretical space colonies go right now, if we were to build on it would probably be like that.

a new home for mankind, where people are born and raised...and die.

 

[Valhelm]

So then what is the grandson's name? Cooper Cooper? Or am I missing something?

Ah, according to the wiki it's just a nickname.

Maybe by the time of Interstellar, North America has reverted to patronymic names.

Joseph Cooper -> Tom Cooperson -> Cooper Tomson

 

[strobogo]

 

[P3P5I]

both plan A and plan B rely on the wormhole. no wormhole = no future humans. but no future humans = no wormhole.
everything's got an end and a beginning - even a loop, as you draw it. if you want to claim otherwise, in the 3 hrs movie you're making, at least hint at the "how?" once.

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

 

[Unbreakable]

it was the watch " here is my watch and you get the exact copy " "when I come back let us compare the watches and see if they match"



I think its tesseract which took his memories similar to Contact where the aliens were projected in her fathers image from her memories. except they got that memory and used the timelessness of the black hole to revert back to that moment in time and space.

I don't think that's what happens. If I remember correctly it has to do with the fact that the 5th dimensional beings saw that moment (Cooper talking to Murph in the bedroom) as being critical to the timeline of events and eventually there existence, as there ancestors are us humans.
They then constructed this 'tesseract', which is placed inside a black hole, as its not bound to time and space, that allows cooper to manipulate the past via gravity because of the connection of love (lol what...)

 

[PeskyToaster]

Maybe by the time of Interstellar, North America has reverted to patronymic names.

Joseph Cooper -> Tom Cooperson -> Cooper Tomson

So many questions. And the answers only bring more. I prefer the grandson's name to be Cooper Cooper.

 

[Nokterian]

I had wet eyes when Coop saw the video messages when he came back to the Endurance.


At that moment I realized how mercilessly time is.

I was in shock when he went back on board i am still thinking about it less then 3,5 hours and 23 years have passed. Said it earlier in this thread i need to see it again.

Here is Stephen Hawking talking about it what would happen if you go close to a black hole and go around it times for you slows down and the rest around you goes fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0cVdPHOIxw

 

[LostCaress]

Saw it yesterday, I guess it was ok.

 

[ezekial45]

One part I'm a little confused about:

What was up with the combines that went haywire early in the movie? I understand that it must've been something that Cooper did while in the tesseract, but I must've missed why they all crowded towards the house.

 

[Ramza]

One part I'm a little confused about:

What was up with the combines that went haywire early in the movie? I understand that it must've been something that Cooper did while in the tesseract, but I must've missed why they all crowded towards the house.

I chalked it up to him making himself realize that there's more to look at in that room, rather than just dismiss it. As if it was leading him home.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I think it was the gravitational anomaly. Messed with the GPS or compasses or whatever.

 

[kabel]

One part I'm a little confused about:

What was up with the combines that went haywire early in the movie? I understand that it must've been something that Cooper did while in the tesseract, but I must've missed why they all crowded towards the house.

GhostCooper send the NASA coords per gravity message.

That disturbed the magnetic field around the area, so the combines didn't know where the fuck to go.

 

[duckroll]

One part I'm a little confused about:

What was up with the combines that went haywire early in the movie? I understand that it must've been something that Cooper did while in the tesseract, but I must've missed why they all crowded towards the house.

He said their compasses were all messed up, and he implied that there was some unnatural magnetic activity responsible for it. His communication with Murphy uses gravity manipulation in that room through time and space.

 

[Jarmel]

The gravitational anomaly is also why the Indian drone got fucked up.

 

[Wilbur]

You know what really is sensational?

That a $200m blockbuster directed by the man who did Batman has influenced a thread like this with a film like that, and it's going to make at least $500-600m worldwide (and that's being very pessimistic probably).

That's fucking brilliant.

 

[Nafai1123]

You know what really is sensational?

That a $200m blockbuster directed by the man who did Batman has influenced a thread like this with a film like that, and it's going to make at least $500-600m worldwide (and that's being very pessimistic probably).

That's fucking brilliant.

Agree 100%. Regardless of what some may think critically, the fact that people are thinking about it at all is fantastic and very unusual for a big blockbuster.

 

[afternoon delight]

sensational... brilliant.

I believe you are misusing both of those words.

Agree 100%. Regardless of what some may think critically, the fact that people are thinking about it at all is fantastic and very unusual for a big blockbuster.

Yeah, really stiff competition for discussion.

 

[MikeRahl]

Okay, here's my understanding. I'm sure there's lots of flaws and such but here's my conclusion.

The 5D beings are evolved versions of current humans. The entire rescue mission was devised by these beings to ensure they survive and eventually evolve. If mankind were to die then there would be no species to evolve from.

That said, that's our first "paradox" since the 5D beings exist in the future without the mission having occured.... UNLESS... you take what Brand said at face value (Nolan doesn't just put things into scripts for no reason) when she said that time only goes forward.

So in other words, the mission would always succeed, however, it still must occur. So everything is already written in time and cannot be undone... hence, why the ghost events took place in the past despite not yet happening to present Cooper. So Cooper didn't really change anything he just simply did what he had to for things to work out.

*Cooper gets the coordinates for NASA (given to Murph by Coop in the sand from the future within the Terrasect)

*Coop get briefed about the wormhole by Saturn planted by "them" (5D beings place it there).

*Coop and crews adventure begins which culminates into the black hole terrasect scene. Without him and TARS retrieving the data within the black hole then there will be nothing that can save humanity on Earth... and in extension will stop the 5D beings from existing since there would be nothing to evolve from.

*Coop relates the needed info back to Murph 80 years into the past

*Coop by the time he is out of the blackhole humanity has already solved the gravity problem and have "caught up" with him right when he appears outside of the entrance to the wormhole by Saturn.

*Humanity has already found a means to reach Edmunds (I think that was the planet where Brand ends up on) ahead of Brand and seemingly await for her arrival.

Although.... I do have one question. The first scene of the movie was Cooper's nightmare of how his NASA career ended. Later on when speaking to Romilly he says that a gravitational anomaly brought down his aircraft. I'm curious... who or what brought down his ship? Wasn't it mentioned that the 5D beings couldn't mess with space / time because they needed Coop to do it?

I read some theory somewhere that someone thought that everything had to do with simultaneous timelines.

The first timeline is one where humans barely survive on earth (maybe underground?) but then evolve and these are our 5D beings. They decide that things would have been easier had almost everyone not died, so they place the wormhole near Saturn so that Cooper will go there and explore the black hole and be able to communicate the required information for the gravity theory back to earth

The second timeline, Cooper is NASA trained, and gets selected to be one of the 10 explorers to check out the planets. Whoops, he goes to some desolate rock and no one comes and he dies the end.

In the third timeline, during his training, an anomaly (just like everything else to do with 5D) screws up his flight and everything gets delayed. He becomes a farmer and eventually stumbles onto NASA and gets sent away and fulfils his purpose through the power of love.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

You know what really is sensational?

That a $200m blockbuster directed by the man who did Batman has influenced a thread like this with a film like that, and it's going to make at least $500-600m worldwide (and that's being very pessimistic probably).

That's fucking brilliant.

Yeah I still don't know 100% how I feel about the film in and out but I am so thrilled to see big sci-fi blockbusters making a comeback and that they actually have some depth to them that we can discuss theory like this. And I'm usually way too critical of Nolan movies.

 

[strobogo]

You know what really is sensational?

That a $200m blockbuster directed by the man who did Batman has influenced a thread like this with a film like that, and it's going to make at least $500-600m worldwide (and that's being very pessimistic probably).

That's fucking brilliant.

I wouldn't get too heady about it. Talk of interdimensional beings, worm holes, and space travel also come up in Marvel and Pacific Rim threads.

 

[Technosteve]

GPS measures distance through measuring accurate time. 2spookie5u

 

[Zoe]

Although.... I do have one question. The first scene of the movie was Cooper's nightmare of how his NASA career ended. Later on when speaking to Romilly he says that a gravitational anomaly brought down his aircraft. I'm curious... who or what brought down his ship? Wasn't it mentioned that the 5D beings couldn't mess with space / time because they needed Coop to do it?

I think the beings were indiscriminately creating anomalies around the earth to alert whoever might understand that something is going on and further their drive to look into it.

The reason they weren't able to get in touch with Murphy specifically is because they didn't know her on a personal level to send her a meaningful and purposeful message.

 

[SJRB]

So did Brand sr. just purposefully waste a huge part of his life by pretending to figure out gravitational laws even though he already figured it out before the first Lazarus missions went through the black hole? Because he had no faith in plan A?

 

[Jarmel]

So did Brand sr. just purposefully waste a huge part of his life by pretending to figure out gravitational laws even though he already figured it out before the first Lazarus missions went through the black hole? Because he had no faith in plan A?

Pretty much. The magicians in The Prestige would be proud.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Are there any things that take the wind out of the sails of a hard sci-fi space exploration experience than

1. Petty, unneeded, and artificial human conflict just for the sake of "drama"
2. Sentimentality playing too large a role, often in attempt to overthrow the grandeur of what's happening in space just to "make the story compelling and relatable"
3. Crosscutting to not space things when space things are at their most dramatic attempting to put all events on equal footing

Because good lord does Interstellar do a lot of the 3. Even beyond the large amounts of exposition which is almost forgivable for a movie with this budget, Interstellar does everything it can to take away from the magic of what's happening in space. The first 40 minutes are disjointed, the middle was really drawing me in, then everything crashed and burned with Matt Damon.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'd say the human conflict was necessary for the story.

Agree with #2, although it was really contained to the climax.

I didn't have a problem with #3.

 

[jakonovski]

Not so unrealistic after all. Bad Astronomer admits mistake on critique of Miller's Planet:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr..._followup_movie_science_mistake_was_mine.html

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Another question I just thought of. How did the ship travel that amount of distance with no trouble from asteroids or flying debris? I thought I saw somewhere that the ship would need a shield built onto the front of it while traveling in space?

 

[Kai Dracon]

Another question I just thought of. How did the ship travel that amount of distance with no trouble from asteroids or flying debris? I thought I saw somewhere that the ship would need a shield built onto the front of it while traveling in space?

If flying extremely fast, such as close to the speed of light, small particles of dust and such would impact with great destructive force.

But the ship wasn't moving anywhere near that fast. The wormhole was a shortcut, but within the wormhole nothing was moving at such high speeds.

For a comparison when Cooper was falling into the black hole in the Ranger, you saw random space debris start to tear the Ranger apart. They were accelerating into the black hole at extremely fast speed.

 

[DigitalRicket]

I think the beings were indiscriminately creating anomalies around the earth to alert whoever might understand that something is going on and further their drive to look into it.

The reason they weren't able to get in touch with Murphy specifically is because they didn't know her on a personal level to send her a meaningful and purposeful message.

Best answer so far for my question. It makes sense since Coop did say "they didn't choose me. They chose her." Alright, makes a little bit more sense now.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Another question I just thought of. How did the ship travel that amount of distance with no trouble from asteroids or flying debris? I thought I saw somewhere that the ship would need a shield built onto the front of it while traveling in space?

space is big. much bigger than you can imagine

 

[Jarmel]

Not so unrealistic after all. Bad Astronomer admits mistake on critique of Miller's Planet:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr..._followup_movie_science_mistake_was_mine.html

I have a feeling Thorne is going to be making a lot of people eat their own shorts.

Dude himself even sent the book detailing the science to the article author.

 

[Aurongel]

Another question I just thought of. How did the ship travel that amount of distance with no trouble from asteroids or flying debris? I thought I saw somewhere that the ship would need a shield built onto the front of it while traveling in space?

Coops ship gets shredded by (nearly) light speed debris when he's descending into Gargantua.

 

[kabel]

Also before I saw this film I though black holes are wormholes.

So these are two different things huh?

 

[Kai Dracon]

Oddly enough the ultimate solution to everything with Cooper sending the message to Murph validated Brand's emotional pleas about the potential significance of love, just not in a mystical way. Because of Cooper's connection to Murph, he was essentially an autonomous entity perfect for turning loose in the universe and seeking Murph out once he was in 5D space.

In terms of setting up a time loop that would work, such a powerful connection between two people would dramatically increase the odds of a successful plan. Cooper would move hell and high water to contact his daughter.

Still doesn't save the silliness of Edmund's planet being the ideal choice after all. Unless one wanted to assume the higher dimensional beings had insured everything was set up correctly so it would all work out - everyone played their part, essentially. Which if they were observing from non-linear time, might be a valid hypothesis.