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The docking scene is better than anything in Sunshine.

Eh, maybe, Interstellar's docking scene is very close to Sunshine's space jump scene in orbit around the sun for me. Both are superb sci fi scenes in space movies. However, the audio mix in Sunshine's scene is miles more expertly done than the docking scene in Interstellar. Man, Nolan really needs to address the audio mix for his future movies. Big Time.
 
The best thing Nolan has ever done is the kick sequence in Inception.

O look, we can basically walk on water;

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The water is shallow because it's being shored up into enormous waves. They're not walking on its surface.

I also chuckled at the US flags at the new planet outposts. I mean, seriously? Speeches about surviving as a species, stepping over personal identity and all that, and then they raise US flags?
This isn't a "murica"-bash, I was just completely puzzled at how US-centered this movie was. NASA, US scientists, US pilots, US probes, US space stations. What is the rest of the world doing?

What is the rest of the world ever doing about space travel? The US (and 50 years ago, the Soviet Union) has always been at the forefront of these things when they were public and actually getting support and funds, and in Interstellar's future it's all completely under wraps because no one else is even thinking about it anymore.
 
I didn't understand how unphased people were in this movie. Like the crew from the Endurance. They just flew through a fucking black hole into another galaxy, they bended time and space. And nobody is even remotely excited or mindboggled at the monumental achievement they just performed. Look Cooper, we need you to travel to another galaxy through a black hole to repopulate and save humanity; sure why not. O look, we can basically walk on water; yeah, whatever. Frozen clouds; okay cool.

I thought their reactions were pretty adequate, unless you want the movie to hit you over the head with it, and then there'd be more complaints about that, along with 'too much exposition'. "Hurr hurr the movie even needs to point out things that should be understood... so cheesy.. hurr hurr"

Particularly with their first time entering the blackhole - Coop's nervousness, Brand's marvelling at touching a ghost, etc.. I thought it was more than enough, any more and I would be 'let's get on with it'.
 
One thing that's confusing.

Anne Hathaway ended up in Edmund's planet with the embryos, which was the viable planet in the end.

However, MM decides to go to her planet in the end sequence, but wouldn't she be dead by now? Since he timeskipped 123 years.

I don't get it?
 
One thing that's confusing.

Anne Hathaway ended up in Edmund's planet with the embryos, which was the viable planet in the end.

However, MM decides to go to her planet in the end sequence, but wouldn't she be dead by now? Since he timeskipped 123 years.

I don't get it?

Cooper and Brand both skimmed off of Gargantua so they've "aged" at the same rate. They even remark at how many years go by as they're doing it.
 
Okay. So you have the choice to visit 3 promising planets.
Two of them have been collecting data for years and years claiming it's good and worth a visit. You know for a fact, the person landed on the third has been there less than a day, and that's stretching it (forgot how long ago the 12 left)
I can't phantom visiting number 3 first.
With only being down there for one day, they were the most likely to be alive, and when found they would have been both saving their lives, and getting the data directly from the people themselves.
 
One thing that's confusing.

Anne Hathaway ended up in Edmund's planet with the embryos, which was the viable planet in the end.

However, MM decides to go to her planet in the end sequence, but wouldn't she be dead by now? Since he timeskipped 123 years.

I don't get it?

When Brandt and Cooper both time 'jumped' roughly the same number of years due to how close they were to the black hole.
 
One thing that's confusing.

Anne Hathaway ended up in Edmund's planet with the embryos, which was the viable planet in the end.

However, MM decides to go to her planet in the end sequence, but wouldn't she be dead by now? Since he timeskipped 123 years.

I don't get it?

The moment Coop appeared near Saturn both he and Brand were aged the same. Now, by the time he gets back to her she will have aged a bit more than him.
 
Man I can't get over how negative most of GAF is with respect to Nolan's movies.

I went into this movie as a viewer hoping to enjoy it.

I'm really glad, as has become apparent reading this thread, that I do not go to movies hoping to critique them.
 
It's a generic as fuck action sequences. Decently well executed and carried by the specific soundtrack there.

The hallway fight-scene from Inception tops it easily for me.

Nolan did a great job portraying the danger in what Cooper was doing and the stakes involved. There was also some super solid camera work in the scene as well. Not to mention it being accompanied by Zimmer going all out.

It is a good sequence. I don't know what it contributed to the plot, but it's good at creating a lot of tension and releasing it viscerally.

What it contributed to the plot was that the mission wasn't a complete bust and the characters not starving to death on a tundra.
 
at first I thought he was going to fly away from the endurance to get away from the debris. But God damn. I mean it's not an action sequence. So i dont really feel the need to compare the two. The docking scene was just tense as fuck.
 
The moment Coop appeared near Saturn both he and Brand were aged the same. Now, by the time he gets back to her she will have aged a bit more than him.

It seemed like a very Nolan-y ending, but I don't think Cooper could ever reach Brand. Unless the ship he enters at the end if capable of light-speed travel. He's far, far nearer to Earth than to Brand, I think, and without a wormhole to travel through.
 
It seemed like a very Nolan-y ending, but I don't think Cooper could ever reach Brand. Unless the ship he enters at the end if capable of light-speed travel. He's far, far nearer to Earth than to Brand, I think, and without a wormhole to travel through.

The wormhole seemingly is still there. I don't think they mentioned anything about the wormhole collapsing. The tesseract collapsed though.
 
at first I thought he was going to fly away from the endurance to get away from the debris. But God damn. I mean it's not an action sequence. So i dont really feel the need to compare the two. The docking scene was just tense as fuck.

haha, yeah, wasn't expecting him to try and catch up with it.

For whatever reason, my favorite line in that whole sequence was Coop's, "CASE if I black out, you take the stick." Loved the dynamic he had with those robots.

The wormhole seemingly is still there. I don't think they mentioned anything about the wormhole collapsing. The tesseract collapsed though.

According to Nolan, the wormhole actually isn't there anymore, which wasn't clear at all in the movie. :lol But they've solved the gravity equation now anyway, so the time investment involved in interstellar travel is presumably not an issue anymore.
 
It seemed like a very Nolan-y ending, but I don't think Cooper could ever reach Brand. Unless the ship he enters at the end if capable of light-speed travel. He's far, far nearer to Earth than to Brand, I think, and without a wormhole to travel through.

There is no indication that the wormhole disappeared. I mean, the reason the NASA station was orbiting Saturn was to use it, I thought.

Edit: So it did disappear? Huh. So humanity has mastered gravity, that makes sense.
 
If her speech was her incompetently trying to analyze Dr. Edmund's data and justify the trip ,and then get called out by Cooper, that would have been more believable. I just don't buy a NASA trained scientist breaking down mid-mission and sproutes out some love bullshit.

That is exactly what happened. She tried to justify logically, Coop told other dude about her emotional attachment, and then she tried to justify with "power of love".
 
Man I can't get over how negative most of GAF is with respect to Nolan's movies.

I went into this movie as a viewer hoping to enjoy it.

I'm really glad, as has become apparent reading this thread, that I do not go to movies hoping to critique them.
If people went into this movies like they did with Captain America 2 maybe we wouldn't get its a "hurr durr political thriller" compliments.
 
haha, yeah, wasn't expecting him to try and catch up with it.

For whatever reason, my favorite line in that whole sequence was Coop's, "CASE if I black out, you take the stick." Loved the dynamic he had with those robots.



According to Nolan, the wormhole actually isn't there anymore, which wasn't clear at all in the movie. :lol But they've solved the gravity equation now anyway, so the time investment involved in interstellar travel is presumably not an issue anymore.

Yep, I liked how even CASE had a personality by the end of the movie besides being TARS's straight man. "Learned for the best", that line had more development and gravitas than any poem.
 
How about I went into the movie hoping for something great because I love Nolan's movies but at the same time told myself not to be too hyped...and yet I was simply underwhelmed ultimately?

Call out stupid opinions, don't call out someone criticizing the film at all.
 
How about I went into the movie hoping for something great because I love Nolan's movies but at the same time told myself not to be too hyped...and yet I was simply underwhelmed ultimately?

Call out stupid opinions, don't call out someone criticizing the film at all.

Yep, not everyone is going to love everything others do.

I loved it. Sorry to hear you didn't.
 
According to Nolan, the wormhole actually isn't there anymore, which wasn't clear at all in the movie. :lol But they've solved the gravity equation now anyway, so the time investment involved in interstellar travel is presumably not an issue anymore.

Oh? That's interesting. It seems a bit crazy that in the (relatively short) amount of time he was out of action that they could basically have the warp drives necessary to make that kind of trip...

...but then if you think about the power required to actually lift a space station off the ground it makes some sense. That wasn't something they could just solve with a bigger rocket. They may have just ended up warping spacetime to shift it into space.

(The counterpoint, though, was that Murph was in transit for two years, which wouldn't happen if they could just warp her over. So either there is a way to reuse the wormhole or we're missing something.)
 
I didn't really think about this till a few minutes ago but Edmund was still alive when Cooper skimmed Gargantia. I thought he had died in some initial crash. He probably died in the 50 years that the Gargantia skimming took.
 
I'm sorry - I won't be able to give you anything wholly specific. I know that seems like a copout and detrimental to the discussion but only seeing it once, I can't give a quote by quote analysis. All I have is a strong sense of dialogue that went against the nature of the character.

It's scenes like Cooper and dad sitting on a bench, where Cooper is straight up telling us how the world is lacking and what it needs - one of the major themes of the film. His dad tells him what Coop represents, what he wants and what he needs.

It's Matt Damon explaining the importance of humans being the astronauts because of will, purpose and need to survive, against all logic and probability. A fine theme that is unnaturally explained to us by Damon. He then proceeds to use Cooper's kids as an example of this, already obviously the primary dramatised example of this theme in play. It's jarring because they seem to be talking about this stuff just for the sake of talking about it. And for Damon to bring up his kids when he really has no understanding or care for that relationship whatsoever. What are Damon's wants right now? What does he get out of this philosophising? Considering he's planning on murdering the only humans he's had and will have contact with in years, you'd think he'd be content to just talk to Coop about the simple things in life like what is Earth like right now? Perhaps he could listen to Coop's iPod filled with nature sounds and break down. I dunno, I'm just spitballing, but I think to have him discuss the philosophical differences between man and machine at this point serves as exposition. There's really not a whole lot of subtext to it.

Likewise the scene where Anne Hathaway tells us her love conquers all speech, once more explicitly explaining the theme (rather than dramatically exploring it), is also pressing because there's no subtext to that moment at all. She tells us she loves a guy and that's why they should pick that planet. Coop thinks she's biased, then says she's biased, and as a result thinks they shouldn't pick that planet. Wouldn't it be better if she denied her true reasoning for the duration of the scene, attempting to argue rationally. And each time she does so, Coop picks her argument apart, finding logic holes. She panics and continues trying to back up her decision with waning logical argument until she eventually breaks down and admits her true intent - that she loves the guy and that's why she wants to go. A single succinct line in the realm of "I love him and that's all I've got left out here" may suffice.

I don't know. I'm not saying any of my stuff is good or even better than what was actually in the film, but the argument can certainly be made that there are numerous cases of clunky, expository dialogue that absolutely hamper both the drama and pace of the film that could have been worked on to tighten or enhance the drama.

A tightly dramatised moment that is in the film is the moment when Coop is driving away from the house, maybe seeing his daughter for the last time, and he pulls up the rug next to him, hoping desperately for a repeat of the other night. Note how much more charged with subtext this scene is. There's no dialogue. It's just the action of a man pulling up a rug. But loaded with the context and MCC's performance, we fully understand that Coop is a wreck - already desperately missing his daughter and really the only thing he desires is to see her again. This beautifully sets up his entire, long-term motivation - the driving force and backbone of the entire film. This single, excellent moment may be one of the reasons the family dynamic is one of the strongest elements of the film.



I'll concede that then. That makes sense. Is the rest of what I've said fair?

Cooper talking to his father in law is the same kind of exposition that happens in a lot of movies

The Matt Damon children context is important because he is right, the last thing a person who does remember when he she is dying is his her children which was when he dropped into the tesseract. They used his memory of love for his Daughter when he thought he was dying as a tesseract

Hathaways speech was her selfishness of why she wanted to go to edmunds first rather than go to Manns planet. All she is saying in complicated words is that she believes in the love that she feels that going go Edmund is the right thing, that they are near a black hole and crossed a wormhole and the one thing remains is the humanity of us all which includes love for someone else. Cooper calls her out that she is not thinking scientifically and scientifically manns planet wou then brand says lets see how you feel when you have to chose between your children and the human race. Now that is a significant statement because Cooper sacrificed himself near the black hole for the sake of humanity over seeing his children again because that is what science says the benefit of the many outweighs the benefits of the few

All these as I proved are significant for the story is that science is important as is family and love in humanity

Your response now ?
 
Yep, not everyone is going to love everything others do.

I loved it. Sorry to hear you didn't.

I mean overall I'd still rate it positively and recommend it. It's just that it's way more flawed than I was hoping. Either way, the ambitiousness and themes dealt with for this kind of blockbuster-budget production is great and if nothing else I hope the movie makes bank so we get to experience more of that in the future, perhaps with better execution that time around.
 
One thing about Damon's character that I don't think is being brought up enough is that people talk about Brandt being sentimental but Damon was on the total opposite side. He had a sort of hyper rationality in that 'everybody is going to die anyway, might as well save my own skin'. He prioritized himself over the cost of everyone else. If love is caring for others, greed is caring just about yourself.
 
Everybody, including her, realized she was full of shit and she dropped it.

Even afterward she was pissed that Coop shut her down. She wasn't able to differentiate her logical and emotional impulses.

It's clear that one of main themes of the movie is the conflict between logic and emotion.

Her father is the cold, calculating scientist willing to lie and deceive in order to ultimately save humanity who ends up regretting on his death bed what he did to his daughter his whole life.

She is the expert biologist(?) who knows which planet is most viable but also compromised by her love of Edmunds.

Mann is a cold, calculating scientist like Brand who gets compromised by his base impulse of fear which causes him to stay alive no matter what.

And then there's Coop, who ends up being the most balanced. The reason he wasn't compromised was because he was 'chosen'.
 
Even afterward she was pissed that Coop shut her down. She wasn't able to differentiate her logical and emotional impulses.

It's clear that one of main themes of the movie is the conflict between logic and emotion.

Her father is the cold, calculating scientist willing to lie and deceive in order to ultimately save humanity who ends up regretting on his death bed what he did to his daughter his whole life.

She is the expert biologist(?) who knows which planet is most viable but also compromised by her love of Edmunds.

Mann is a cold, calculating scientist like Brand who gets compromised by his base impulse of fear to stay alive.

And then there's Coop, who ends up being the most balanced. The reason he wasn't compromised was because he was 'chosen'.

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Man I love Nolan. No director makes movies that root themselves into my bones like him.

It's so crazy how much this reflects my experience:

The first reports from screenings have had audience members – studio heads, journalists, crew-members – leaving the cinema in tears. “People can’t really talk about it when they first get out of the film,” said Thomas, who I met shortly after I too was thunderstruck by Nolan’s epic, emerging blinking from a theatre on the Paramount lot into blinding sunshine. “They need a day or so to process it. And then they call you up.”
 
Yeaaah, this movie didn't work for me, at all!

The reasons for it have been discussed in here ad nauseam in here I assume, but there was just too much that made me roll my eyes.

I had to laugh a few times thinking "really..?" Not just because of science, but because of the basic story telling, the dialogues, the acting performances, the "twists", ...christ, so many bad things.


The one thing that I keep in mind is that such an ambitious film project could just as well have been a complete, laughable, clusterfuck. That, it wasn't. But that doesn't make it a good film either.
 
Oh? That's interesting. It seems a bit crazy that in the (relatively short) amount of time he was out of action that they could basically have the warp drives necessary to make that kind of trip...

...but then if you think about the power required to actually lift a space station off the ground it makes some sense. That wasn't something they could just solve with a bigger rocket. They may have just ended up warping spacetime to shift it into space.

(The counterpoint, though, was that Murph was in transit for two years, which wouldn't happen if they could just warp her over. So either there is a way to reuse the wormhole or we're missing something.)


Oh shit those tiny craft are possibly warp-capable? I want to see that.

Oh and MURPHY wouldn't have told her father to go to brand, if he actually couldn't.
 
I didn't really think about this till a few minutes ago but Edmund was still alive when Cooper skimmed Gargantia. I thought he had died in some initial crash. He probably died in the 50 years that the Gargantia skimming took.
WOW. I didn't even think about that. Good catch.
Man I love Nolan. No director makes movies that root themselves into my bones like him.

It's so crazy how much this reflects my experience:
Same here. I don't think I've ever seen a movie of his that doesn't stick with me for weeks.
 
I'm sorry - I won't be able to give you anything wholly specific. I know that seems like a copout and detrimental to the discussion but only seeing it once, I can't give a quote by quote analysis. All I have is a strong sense of dialogue that went against the nature of the character.

It's scenes like Cooper and dad sitting on a bench, where Cooper is straight up telling us how the world is lacking and what it needs - one of the major themes of the film. His dad tells him what Coop represents, what he wants and what he needs.

It's Matt Damon explaining the importance of humans being the astronauts because of will, purpose and need to survive, against all logic and probability. A fine theme that is unnaturally explained to us by Damon. He then proceeds to use Cooper's kids as an example of this, already obviously the primary dramatised example of this theme in play. It's jarring because they seem to be talking about this stuff just for the sake of talking about it. And for Damon to bring up his kids when he really has no understanding or care for that relationship whatsoever. What are Damon's wants right now? What does he get out of this philosophising? Considering he's planning on murdering the only humans he's had and will have contact with in years, you'd think he'd be content to just talk to Coop about the simple things in life like what is Earth like right now? Perhaps he could listen to Coop's iPod filled with nature sounds and break down. I dunno, I'm just spitballing, but I think to have him discuss the philosophical differences between man and machine at this point serves as exposition. There's really not a whole lot of subtext to it.

Likewise the scene where Anne Hathaway tells us her love conquers all speech, once more explicitly explaining the theme (rather than dramatically exploring it), is also pressing because there's no subtext to that moment at all. She tells us she loves a guy and that's why they should pick that planet. Coop thinks she's biased, then says she's biased, and as a result thinks they shouldn't pick that planet. Wouldn't it be better if she denied her true reasoning for the duration of the scene, attempting to argue rationally. And each time she does so, Coop picks her argument apart, finding logic holes. She panics and continues trying to back up her decision with waning logical argument until she eventually breaks down and admits her true intent - that she loves the guy and that's why she wants to go. A single succinct line in the realm of "I love him and that's all I've got left out here" may suffice.

I don't know. I'm not saying any of my stuff is good or even better than what was actually in the film, but the argument can certainly be made that there are numerous cases of clunky, expository dialogue that absolutely hamper both the drama and pace of the film that could have been worked on to tighten or enhance the drama.

A tightly dramatised moment that is in the film is the moment when Coop is driving away from the house, maybe seeing his daughter for the last time, and he pulls up the rug next to him, hoping desperately for a repeat of the other night. Note how much more charged with subtext this scene is. There's no dialogue. It's just the action of a man pulling up a rug. But loaded with the context and MCC's performance, we fully understand that Coop is a wreck - already desperately missing his daughter and really the only thing he desires is to see her again. This beautifully sets up his entire, long-term motivation - the driving force and backbone of the entire film. This single, excellent moment may be one of the reasons the family dynamic is one of the strongest elements of the film.

The dad scene didn't come off as exposition to me. Seemed to come off as Coop trying to justify to himself as well as his dad why he was going to leave them all behind. Perhaps logical explanations for actions are considered to be unnatural to some though.

Mann was attempting to explain to Coop why it was he was about to kill him. Sort of try and make it seem less evil to himself in the process and more of just a natural thing for him to need to do.

The Hathaway scene didn't play out like that. She logically explained why she thought they should go there. Coop calls out the bias. Then she goes on about love. This is stupid not because it is exposition of a theme that isn't necessary, but it is stupid because it is a stupid thought to have.
 
Just got back from watching this. I'm not a Nolan fanboy or anything but I thought it was really good. However there were a couple of things near the end that bothered me a bit:

Cooper apparently transmitted binary encoded physics to his daughter at around 1 b/s. And you thought dial-up was bad.

Brand should have been much older when we see her on the planet at the end. Cooper didn't age because he went into the black hole but Brand only brushed it and should have aged a lot by the end of the movie, in fact she would be nearer in age to Cooper's daughter. Also I'd love to see how she's going to raise all those kids lol.

Did we really need to see Cooper packing his friendly robot into a stolen spaceship and jetting off for more cerrrrazy adventures? No.

But not to detract from an excellent movie and a wonderful cinematic experience.
 
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