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[ReAxion]

To be fair, up until America earlier this month, Marvel has not often announced books without creative teams. At least, not that often in the past few years that I can recall.

Given that Marvel just announced six X-Men books besides Iceman without creative teams, though, it admittedly doesn't hold up so well anymore.

and it would be damn fine journalism to ask why that's the case.

It's much more likely they're trying to find an artist to pair with the writer who pitched the story, something that is difficult and a real part of the process, rather than just announcing things and scrambling to find people to write and draw books whose viability is historically in doubt.

 

[PSqueak]

This is the perfect time to bring back the Runaways, Nico is bi, Karolina is a lesbian and they better bring back Xavin, the "technically agender, previously male identifying but currently female identifying and in a lesbian relationship" Skrull.

Like seriously, please bring back Xavin, and have Karolina go back to her, it was a dick move to have Karolina unceremoniously forget Xavin fucking took a huge life threatening risk for her in another planet and Karolina went to date other people.

 

[Father_Brain]

and it would be damn fine journalism to ask why that's the case.

It's much more likely they're trying to find an artist to pair with the writer who pitched the story, something that is difficult and a real part of the process, rather than just announcing things and scrambling to find people to write and draw books whose viability is historically in doubt.

Comics journalism doesn't actually exist, though. It's all just editorials, puff pieces, or Bleeding Cool rumors.

 

[Ross61]

I think that's where the praise DC is getting coming from. DC have not only started putting more LGBT characters at the forefront, but they've also been getting LGBT writers on the creative teams of said books and on big titles.

 

[Nirolak]

I imagine they don't want to have LGBT leads with characters they feel might be in movies some day.

A lot of the existing LGBT characters are X-Men, yeah?

 

[The Artisan]

I guess you don't read comics because Kamala is getting pushed in all the big books and cross over titles as well as headlining new teams. But keep being ignorant, it's not my problem.

I don't read comics and I don't have to read comics to know who Peter Parker is, or Wolverine, or Deadpool, or Luke Cage. You get my point now?

There isn't a single superhero who identifies with the Islamic faith that's a household name. From this thread I've learned of one that's up and coming, but yeah...I'll continue to remain ignorant. If I have to look into and research about these Muslim characters and superheroes it means they're not that mainstream at all.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

I don't read comics and I don't have to read comics to know who Peter Parker is, or Wolverine, or Deadpool, or Luke Cage. You get my point now?

There isn't a single superhero who identifies with the Islamic faith that's a household name. From this thread I've learned of one that's up and coming, but yeah...I'll continue to remain ignorant. If I have to look into and research about these Muslim characters and superheroes it means they're not that mainstream at all.

So she doesn't count until she gets in a movie or live action show? Starring in cartoons as well as popular online and mobile games isn't enough? Yet you reference Dust as a Muslim hero you knew, but haven't heard of Kamala Khan? C'mon bro.




On a side note, is there any DC books with black leads currently running besides cyborg? I'm almost exclusively reading comics with black leads and marvel has me very satisfied atm.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Hm. What character(s) do u guys think should be LGBT or would fit the story well?

 

[Garlador]

I don't read comics and I don't have to read comics to know who Peter Parker is, or Wolverine, or Deadpool, or Luke Cage. You get my point now?

There isn't a single superhero who identifies with the Islamic faith that's a household name. From this thread I've learned of one that's up and coming, but yeah...I'll continue to remain ignorant. If I have to look into and research about these Muslim characters and superheroes it means they're not that mainstream at all.

Kamala's pretty entrenched for the new generation. Give her time, but she's already almost universally beloved by the comic community and has tons of appearances in other media.

 

[pants]

YOU HAD IT MARVEL, YOU HAD IT



And DeSeaned it

Curious, I've never watched a gridiron game, does this not count as a point?

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

Hm. What character(s) do u guys think should be LGBT or would fit the story well?

I don't think they should outright change any characters sexuality like iceman because it retcons years of comic history. Some characters could be bi, kinda like what there doing with wonder woman atm. Or they could introduce legacy characters that are LGBT. A character should never get 'changed' to gay like bobby was

 

[LordOfLore]

So she doesn't count until she gets in a movie or live action show? Starring in cartoons as well as popular online and mobile games isn't enough? Yet you reference Dust as a Muslim hero you knew, but haven't heard of Kamala Khan? C'mon bro.




On a side note, is there any DC books with black leads currently running besides cyborg? I'm almost exclusively reading comics with black leads and marvel has me very satisfied atm.

More with other PoC characters but Vigilante Southland starts tomorrow IIRC:

 

[PSqueak]

Curious, I've never watched a gridiron game, does this not count as a point?

It's called a touch down cause the ball is supposed to touch the goal area in theory (hence the traditional image of a player slamming the ball into the ground).

The ball dropping before entering the goal area means it's not a point.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Kamala's pretty entrenched for the new generation. Give her time, but she's already almost universally beloved by the comic community and has tons of appearances in other media.

Yep, this. Kamala's only been around for three years. Spidey, Wolverine and Luke go all the way back to the 60's (and I'm willing to bet six months ago a LOT less people knew Luke).

Kamala has been universally beloved since she arrived. She has many years ahead of her where she'll appear in cartoons, video games, and yes, the MCU. There is a zero percent chance she doesn't get a cinematic presence, whether it's her own movie or what.

 

[Voras]

X-men comics in particular ALWAYS thrived on teen relationship drama and intimacy issues. Folks have been following and charting those experiences for years.

Why is there a blue line between Cable and Hope Summers? Isn't Cable basically an adopted father to her? Please tell me that nothing weird happened there.

 

[NEO0MJ]

I don't read comics and I don't have to read comics to know who Peter Parker is, or Wolverine, or Deadpool, or Luke Cage. You get my point now?

There isn't a single superhero who identifies with the Islamic faith that's a household name. From this thread I've learned of one that's up and coming, but yeah...I'll continue to remain ignorant. If I have to look into and research about these Muslim characters and superheroes it means they're not that mainstream at all.

To be fair I don't think there are many heroes where religion plays a part of who they are.

 

[J2 Cool]

The superhero genre is essentially wish fullfillment, and the straight writers don't identify with lgbt characters. It works in opposition to their goals

I imagine they don't want to have LGBT leads with characters they feel might be in movies some day.

A lot of the existing LGBT characters are X-Men, yeah?

X-mens really a standout from the rest, with its themes of minorities, social dynamics, opression, and inclusion. They should make Scott Summers gay, solve its love triangle w Jean, and make Cyclops a front and center leader when it reboots

 

[Shaanyboi]

To be fair I don't think there are many heroes where religion plays a part of who they are.

Daredevil? The show plays this up as his Catholicism being a core to his moral worldview.

 

[Parallax]

Almost 60 years of him having multiple girlfriends, a wife and numerous one night stands across multiple universes led you to thinking he was gay?

if it doesnt count for bobby, why should it count for anyone else?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Well, do all of those comics feature the main character in some sort of romance? I'm just wondering how we know they're not gay

There have been tons of romantic plot points in X-Men comics over the years.

Curious, I've never watched a gridiron game, does this not count as a point?

The ball has to break the plane of that thick white line that separated the green grass from the blue grass to count.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Daredevil? The show plays this up as his Catholicism being a core to his moral worldview.

Yeah, there's him and Kitty Pride, also Dust, but I'm other than that drawing blanks.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I imagine they don't want to have LGBT leads with characters they feel might be in movies some day.

A lot of the existing LGBT characters are X-Men, yeah?

Yeah, most are X-Men. There have been more non X characters introduced in the last decade or so, but X-Men still probably make up around 75% of the LGBT characters in the Marvel Universe.

 

[PSqueak]

Yeah, there's him and Kitty Pride, also Dust, but I'm other than that drawing blanks.

Nightcrawler almost always has religion sneaking into all his incarnations.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Nightcrawler almost always has religion sneaking into all his incarnations.

Even then, that's something they added on to him years down the line rather than being something there from Day 1.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Nightcrawler almost always has religion sneaking into all his incarnations.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. I love the idea of making the demonic looking guy a devout christian. I think that's why they did it, as bit of a joke.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wolfsbane is another fairly religious hero for Marvel. I'm struggling to think of many more.

 

[captainpat]

Probably would help if they didn't have events out the ass so they could delve into the characters' personal lives.

 

[LordOfLore]

Kitty Pryde is probably the most major Jewish comic character Marvel has. DC has Batwoman.

 

[CapNBritain]

/dead

But for real, thanks duder. And if you like ridiculous deep cuts, you ain't seen shit yet. lol

I gave up watching it after thinking that the first few episodes were a stiff drop in quality from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. In your opinion, has it improved in quality since its debut?

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

The superhero genre is essentially wish fullfillment, and the straight writers don't identify with lgbt characters. It works in opposition to their goals



X-mens really a standout from the rest, with its themes of minorities, social dynamics, opression, and inclusion. They should make Scott Summers gay, solve its love triangle w Jean, and make Cyclops a front and center leader when it reboots

Isn't Jean a teen now anyways? She's certainly not getting with Logan any time soon and young Scott is right there. And adult Scott can reform the Frost/Summers power couple

 

[Parallax]

Kitty Pryde is probably the most major Jewish comic character Marvel has. DC has Batwoman.

ben grimm buddy

 

[Silexx]

ben grimm buddy

The Thing was retconned into being Jewish, though.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Havok is agnostic/athiest

Mr Terrific was too, dunno about nu52.

Beast was catholic or Episcopalian I believe.

Storm is a goddess.

Magneto was retconned to be Jewish.

Kitty is jewish.

Nightcrawler, and I think Banshee, are catholic.

Forge is a shaman (cheyenne iirc)

Cap and USAgent are both officially Christian as of the story were religious characters all got mind controlled. Which kinda shows how religious marvel characters are in general.

EDIT: Infinity Crusade

So yeah, Marvel characters have had defined religious views and sexual preferences for decades.

Iron Man, Reed Richards, and Vision having to deal with Cap and his religious loonies.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I gave up watching it after thinking that the first few episodes were a stiff drop in quality from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. In your opinion, has it improved in quality since its debut?

Drastically. First season, there wasn't a super clear vision of what the show was meant to be. There were acouple pretty good episodes here or there, but it still just wasn't the best. I get why someone who was a big fan of EMH wouldn't take to the shift. Season 2 had much stronger strings of episodes. Some funner storylines, some deeper pulls. Season 3 continued that climb. More multi-episode arcs, better character work, and even better moments. Season 4 has had some of my favorite episodes yet, and the additional cast members have been so much fun to work with. I get genuinely excited whenever we get a new script. Can't wait for people to see the end of Season 3 and Season 4.

There are a handful of Season 1 episodes I think you should for sure watch, but Season 2 onwards is a much better show. It's still aimed younger, so you don't get into the more interpersonal drama in the same way something like Young Justice would, but it's still a much stronger watch now.

 

[Parallax]

The Thing was retconned into being Jewish, though.

what does that change? hes more popular that kitty is, and hes jewish.

 

[Andrin]

To add to this we so far only have three confirmed LGBT-characters and one implied in the entire MCU. There's Joey, a gay side character in Agents of SHIELD, the lesbian couple in Jessica Jones, and then the implication that Justin Hammer from Iron Man 2 might be gay through some throwaway comments in the short Hail to the King. They've got a lot of catching up to do in this area on the movie side of things, since all the confirmed characters are from TV-series.

 

[Figboy79]

Taking into account what other said, also know that people are more than likely pulling more around 10+ comics per week. You can easily get up to spending 40 a week just on comics.

Pretty much. I can easily spend upwards of $50 a week on comics if I were to actually pick up everything on my pull list every week. I don't read much Marvel these days, but when I do, it's Ms. Marvel and Mile's Spider-Man. I'm trying to do my part, with the funds that I can allot to comics each week, to show Marvel that I want more characters like this. I'm sure $50 a week seems like chump change to some, but to me, it adds up. $200 a month on comic books? I love the hobby. I'm also a comic book artist and writer, but I could spend that $200 on other things real easy. As it is, I just buy a handful of comics a month, to keep it reasonable. When I see a $4-$5 Marvel comic, I think, "Sure, I could buy 1 $5, or two or three $2 comics. The $2 tend to win out. I mostly buy Invincible, The Walking Dead, and Jem on the regular, with the Marvel comics I mentioned above. I used to buy X-Men and Daredevil, but haven't in a few months. Balancing my comic book and video game budgets each month is a real thing for some folks.

 

[NastyBook]

We can only pray he has a Silk in his life one day

*cough*Projecting!*cough* But I don't disagree.

 

[PSqueak]

Iron Man, Reed Richards, and Vision having to deal with Cap and his religious loonies.

It pisses me off how hard they are pushing Reed as an atheist because it shits all over that tribute to Jack Kirby they made a few years ago where the F4 meet the God of the Marvel universe which is presented as a comicbook artist with Kirby's likeness, it was nice cozy tribute to the legend and now at every turn they can Reed is "im so atheist you guys, let me tell you how atheist i am!".

 

[Shaanyboi]

We can only pray he has a Silk in his life one day

One can hope.

 

[Garlador]

It pisses me off how hard they are pushing Reed as an atheist because it shits all over that tribute to Jack Kirby they made a few years ago where the F4 meet the God of the Marvel universe which is presented as a comicbook artist with Kirby's likeness, it was nice cozy tribute to the legend and now at every turn they can Reed is "im so atheist you guys, let me tell you how atheist i am!".

"You met God!"
"Wasn't impressed."
"He literally drew your dead friend back to life!"
"He's been drawn by better artists."

Yeah, it's a bit weird...

 

[Hades Hotgun]

It pisses me off how hard they are pushing Reed as an atheist because it shits all over that tribute to Jack Kirby they made a few years ago where the F4 meet the God of the Marvel universe which is presented as a comicbook artist with Kirby's likeness, it was nice cozy tribute to the legend and now at every turn they can Reed is "im so atheist you guys, let me tell you how atheist i am!".

1. This story actually specifically asserts that it is not belief in god, but rather religious fervor that motivates the Goddess' adherents. Beast believes in god, but is less religious than Captain America, so Hank wasn't susceptible to the control.

2. What you're describing doesn't sound like anything that is meant to present Reed as religious or a believer in god, but rather a story honoring kirby in a tongue-in-cheek fashion. Do you think the result of that book should be to establish that a singular form of monotheism is correct and everything else is wrong? Mr Terrific had a conversation with Ragman about the Spectre, but he was still an athiest.

 

[CazTGG]

The Thing is also pretty religious, though perhaps not to the extent as Kitty.

Also: Moon Knight is Jewish. He beat up a bunch of Neo-Nazis that burned down a synagogue in his early days.

Comic books are amazing.

 

[PSqueak]

2. What you're describing doesn't sound like anything that is meant to present Reed as religious or a believer in god, but rather a story honoring kirby in a tongue-in-cheek fashion. Do you think the result of that book should be to establish that a singular form of monotheism is correct and everything else is wrong? Mr Terrific had a conversation with Ragman about the Spectre, but he was still an athiest.

No, of course not, because there are characters like Beta Ray Bill who have met gods and still refuse to acknowledge them as such or worship them, what makes me mad about Reed being an atheist is nothing in universe, but the fact that it shits on what i thought was a heartfelt tribute to the creator of the F4 and one of the greatest comicbook artist/creators to ever live.

On a semi-related note, it's really weird how in comicbooks where gods and aliens and alien gods happen every week religion in universe is not radically different to IRL.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

No, of course not, because there are characters like Beta Ray Bill who have met gods and still refuse to acknowledge them as such or worship them, what makes me mad about Reed being an atheist is nothing in universe, but the fact that it shits on what i thought was a heartfelt tribute to the creator of the F4 and one of the greatest comicbook artist/creators to ever live.

On a semi-related note, it's really weird how in comicbooks where gods and aliens and alien gods happen every week religion in universe is not radically different to IRL.

I'm not sure I see what you see in this. How does Reed being an athiest shit on the tribute? The tribute happened, it was made, do you expect Reed to, from that point on believe in god? Should every subsequent writer have to deal with and acknowledge that story any time Reed's beliefs are involved in a story? Should it be official and inviolable canon?

 

[NEO0MJ]

"You met God!"
"Wasn't impressed."
"He literally drew your dead friend back to life!"
"He's been drawn by better artists."

Yeah, it's a bit weird...

Atheism in comics is kinda weird. Like, you have characters who meet literal creators of worlds, gods, and they then say they're atheist. I can understand not wanting to belong to any old world traditional religion but still, that seems wack.

 

[PSqueak]

I'm not sure I see what you see in this. How does Reed being an athiest shit on the tribute? The tribute happened, it was made, do you expect Reed to, from that point on believe in god? Should every subsequent writer have to deal with and acknowledge that story any time Reed's beliefs are involved in a story? Should it be official and inviolable canon?

Well, it just comes off as a bit of weird, because it's not handled like the beta ray bill thing, like i don't remember what arc was going on, but it involved a prep speech written by reed to his kids that went like

"I am a man of science, there is no god, nothing we do matters, therefore we need to make the thing we do matter"

Im paraphrasing, but the point is it was pretty hamfisted like that, and i think writing something like that after the jack kirby tribute is really wonky, i don't expect reed to convert to a religion and start preaching, but making him say things like that seems like poor writing.

But, yeah, opinions.

 

[Sandfox]

How are people forgetting about Magneto when talking about Jewish characters?

No, not really. It's definitely an encouraging sign, but their PR has been bad enough on these issues in the very recent past that it's not guaranteed that Alonso et al. will openly talk about Iceman and America as LGBT characters, let alone feature them in line-wide marketing alongside Sam Wilson, Jane Foster, Kamala Khan, etc.

As for creative teams, there's at least one recent example of Marvel putting a right-wing creator with a history of alleged sexual assault on a "diverse" book (Edmondson on Red Wolf), so they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt there, either.

Given the way Alonso name dropped a potential Iceman book at SDCC when talking about LGBT character led books and the fact that it exists I don't see it getting ignored tbqh.

 

[A Link to the Past]

This thread went into interesting directions

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Drastically. First season, there wasn't a super clear vision of what the show was meant to be. There were acouple pretty good episodes here or there, but it still just wasn't the best. I get why someone who was a big fan of EMH wouldn't take to the shift. Season 2 had much stronger strings of episodes. Some funner storylines, some deeper pulls. Season 3 continued that climb. More multi-episode arcs, better character work, and even better moments. Season 4 has had some of my favorite episodes yet, and the additional cast members have been so much fun to work with. I get genuinely excited whenever we get a new script. Can't wait for people to see the end of Season 3 and Season 4.

There are a handful of Season 1 episodes I think you should for sure watch, but Season 2 onwards is a much better show. It's still aimed younger, so you don't get into the more interpersonal drama in the same way something like Young Justice would, but it's still a much stronger watch now.

I'll go back and watch now that I know you worked on it and it's Slayven Approved™. I dropped it like a rock after a few episodes, but I was still REALLY salty about EMH (hell, still am).