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Ion Fury devs patch out non-PC jokes and force all employees & contractors to undergo mandatory sensitivity training

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Just to correct you on a tangential but none-the-less important point, none of those works of literature or movies (bar perhaps THX 1138, I haven't seen it) was a warning about "socialism".

Especially 1984. Orwell also wrote Animal Farm and Road to Wigan Pier. He was a committed "democratic socialist", but wary of the dangers of too much power anywhere. To present 1984 as a warning on "socialism" is akin to something the Ministry of Truth would attempt. ;)

One of Orwell's peers - Aldous Huxley - wrote to congratulate him on 1984. Huxley was a noted author also - he wrote "Brave New World", which I think you meant rather than "Strange New World" which was a Gene Roddenberry tv movie / pilot starring John Saxon, the cool golf playing, stiff kicking motherfucker out of Enter the Dragon (everyone in that movie was a cool motherfucker).

The point I'm leading to is - for anyone still reading at this point - the issue around Ion Storm is nothing to do with socialism. Or capitalism. Or god.

It's about increasingly polarised black holes drawing in everything they can around them, releasing as much energy as possible, and tearing apart anything that in any way defies their pull. It's Ion Fury toady. It'll be something else tomorrow.

Poor Voidpoint. So many years. So many people. So much damage from wavering a little in the middle between two increasingly irreconcilable poles.
True, it would be more accurate to say these works condemned state-driven authoritarianism.
 

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The point I'm leading to is - for anyone still reading at this point - the issue around Ion Storm is nothing to do with socialism. Or capitalism. Or god.
Lol, that's the biggest issue with the new title. I've made that mistake several times already.
 
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They literally only removed a lotion container that had "Ogay" written on it and there isn't evidence it was because of some mob. Do you think maybe the dev and publisher wouldn't have sanctioned it if they were aware?
I know a number of people who've worked in games for a good long while.

At no point, ever as far as I can tell, has it been the case that a producer would okay "gay" or "faggot" being slipped into the game as a developer in-joke. As part of the in-universe world or character building, sure, thought they'd be very wary. There's no doubt things are tougher now and mob wrath is more easily triggered, but removing these things isn't an example of it imho.

What I don't like is the way this has been driven by a kind of curated outrage, enabled in places by a tabloid style gaming press, with the staff of Voidpoint being almost semi-publicly paraded infront of the gaming world as being - collectively - judged needing of "re-education". That whole sequence doesn't make me feel comfortable, if I'm honest.
 

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True, it would be more accurate to say these works condemned state-driven authoritarianism.
I wonder if there's a case to be made that, if enough authority gathers any place, amongst too few people, for too long, do they effectively end up being part of the start?

That's sort of what happens in Animal Farm, I suppose.

Lol, that's the biggest issue with the new title. I've made that mistake several times already.
Not my first derp of the day. :messenger_unamused:
 

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I wonder if there's a case to be made that, if enough authority gathers any place, amongst too few people, for too long, do they effectively end up being part of the start?

That's sort of what happens in Animal Farm, I suppose.
Do humans abuse power? And are humans lazy enough to give authority figures power instead of standing up for their own rights? Yes to both. :messenger_squinting_tongue:
 
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Some? I'd argue all of them. Think that's putting it mildly. These people are barking mad.

They don't like to be called out. Once you do, you're theirs. Nor do they have respect for another person's viewpoint; the whole world must abide to their "happy and tolerant" worldview. Unlike those freaks, we're more mature and rational enough. We're not going out harassing developers, or whatnot.

There were always a few loud-mouthed nutcases before the internet, but united now they have gained a strong foothold. The world was a better place before the fucking internet. The more I see this stuff happening, the more I despise it. I've said it elsewhere before; it has turned small-time narcissists into huge ones because social media acts as a amplifier.

There may come a day, and probably not so far in the future that I'm leaving the whole internet behind. It sucked the joy out of everything. It turned people into lazy, docile, and apathetic beings. We should never lose reality out of sight, otherwise we're finished.
 

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Why exactly are people calling the retardera crowd "paedophiles"?

You don't win a war with falsehood and slander.
Maybe not pedophiles, but normal people aren't angry all the time and don't hate everybody. Gotta be pretty fucked up to have this kinda anger all the time, it's not normal or healthy. Those people definitely have something fucked up going on that they're hiding, I can guarantee you that much.
 
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Maybe not pedophiles, but normal people aren't angry all the time and don't hate everybody. Gotta be pretty fucked up to have this kinda anger all the time, it's not normal or healthy. Those people definitely have something fucked up going on that they're hiding, I can guarantee you that much.
They're projecting. The loudest twitter feminists have no problem doing everything they claim to oppose to a woman if she dares to have a different opinion. Those who yell racist at everyone else have no problem demonising white people etc.
 
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If anyone who bought the game here left a negative review mentioning resetera, can you pls confirm?
I can confirm that my review has not been removed...probably because I made an effort to actually give my thoughts about the game itself as well, didn't open with a remark about Era "pedophiles" and throw the tranny slur in there for good measure. What was he expecting?
 
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Now they say it, lol. Bending the knee really didn't work out as promised.



Edit: Also "Fuck politics" ahaha, don't make me laugh.
I've gotten the impression from the very start that the verdict came down from on high in 3DR, that Voidpoint has been holding their tongue this whole time. This tweet (which I'm fairly certain wasn't sanctioned...just a hunch) kinda hints at that being the case.
 

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There is no correct answer for the "bullying."

It's a lose-lose situation. Either they buckle to save face, or they don't. Loss of supporters is inevitable either way.

They just have to hope there are enough potential buyers that enjoy fun games and don't care about social justice and don't mind a reactive, apologetic response to SJW babies.

I'm keeping my purchase for sure. Give me the gray area and I'll jump straight into it. I'm not going to let the hard work and passion go to waste (especially when it comes to a game I actually enjoy playing) because I can't accept Voidpoint's/3D Realms' attempt at PR.
 
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They're projecting. The loudest twitter feminists have no problem doing everything they claim to oppose to a woman if she dares to have a different opinion. Those who yell racist at everyone else have no problem demonising white people etc.
They are, but I think it's more than that. I just think they're angry hateful people that are not well mentally. They likely are not pleasant to be around in the real world and likely are dicks to people in real life. It's why you see a lot of these types join Antifa, they are angry and violent and just want to hurt people, they use the social justice thing as a front to take out their built up aggression and anger out on the world.

And RE are a bunch of pussies who likely are very non-confrontational, so they use the internet to take their aggression out on people. Why do you think they "stumble" upon really innocuous things. Like accounts likes and follows. They comb the internet for this stuff. They are addicted to it. They need it to keep going, because they have no purpose otherwise. It fuels them. Staying perpetually angry and pissed off, because they are angry and pissed off and need to keep feeding the beast.
 
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Maybe not pedophiles, but normal people aren't angry all the time and don't hate everybody. Gotta be pretty fucked up to have this kinda anger all the time, it's not normal or healthy. Those people definitely have something fucked up going on that they're hiding, I can guarantee you that much.
The paedophile thing is a funny one, as we literally had someone do what they did to Ion Fury, hang around their discord and take screencaps. And yup, some of their "prominent members" are paedophiles, but of course, they did their best to cover it up, admins gave them new usernames and claimed they were no longer on the site, and all the "erafied" journalists mysteriously didn't bother covering it. There is a separate thread for discussing this now on here, but it's just worth reminding folks this happened given the similarities with how they uncovered that Ion Fury are literal nazis and deserve life long punishment for making a sprite 20x30 pixel sprite which says 'ogay'.
 

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Now they say it, lol. Bending the knee really didn't work out as promised.



Edit: Also "Fuck politics" ahaha, don't make me laugh.
I don't understand their viewpoint in this situation any more. We caved, but pity-party pirate our game if you want. Whatever. We worked super hard. Empty edgy platitude into the ether.
 

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If they really value every word they said in that tweet they could just say 'fuck off' to anyone (especially ResetEra) who dared to taint their job because of kid's tantrum.
They can't say fuck off to the people who published their game, no. I think they'd generally like to keep working and get paid.
 
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The game went from 95% liked to only 70% and dropping. I don’t think I have ever seen a fanbase respond this fast and hard before. This is really sad to me because I found the game great and this will severally effect sales preventing a sequel.
 

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They can't say fuck off to the people who published their game, no. I think they'd generally like to keep working and get paid.
Oh because of that

"It has come to our attention Voidpoint, the developers of Ion Fury, have been accused of making transphobic and misogynistic statements.

"Under current leadership 3D Realms has taken pride empowering marginalized groups, as evident by our strong female protagonist Shelly 'Bombshell' Harrison and the makeup of our team.

"Moving forward all of 3D Realms' contracts will include terms which would allow us to sever relationships if a contractor does not abide by our zero-tolerance policy for hate speech."

The question is do you think Voidpoint suddenly couldn't be able publish the game somewhere else at all if they wanted to stick with their unpatched game?
 
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The question is do you think Voidpoint suddenly couldn't be able publish the game somewhere else at all if they wanted to stick with their unpatched game?
No, they couldn't. Why? Because 3D Realms owns the Bombshell IP.
 
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The question is do you think Voidpoint suddenly couldn't be able publish the game somewhere else at all if they wanted to stick with their unpatched game?
Not anytime soon and not without litigation. We're talking

- who owns the IP and for how long
- royalty percentages split between the pub and the dev
- who owns the rights to publish the console versions currently being developed
- any non-compete clauses if applicable
- any other potential legal pitfalls arising from the clusterfuck that is contract law

I think Voidpoint will go with patching the shampoo pixel and watching the Human Resources DVD instead.
 

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I feel bad for the devs since apparently the publishers are the idiots who caved in to retardera. Hopefully they can go to work for some better publisher.
 
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Game maker makes game

Whining gamer complains something isn't right

Game maker apologizes and patches game

Whining gamer never had an intention to buy it anyway, so either way no sale

The other 99.9% of gamers who don't care about stupid political issues read articles, read forums, throw up their hands.... WTF is going on?
 
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I almost bought it yesterday when it was in my Steam recommendations. Glad i decided to wait. I'd rather not support spineless devs who caves to a small group of mentally ill people larping as gamers
"I almost bought it yesterday when it was in my Steam recommendations. Glad i decided to wait. I'd rather not support " Same folks who are upset with the comment might have stated the same thing about not buying the game......

I don't agree with what the dev stated, but I agree with them apologizing.

If I buy the game or not will not have anything to do with them apologizing or even about the comment made. Such actions like not buying a game based on this is just as dumb as the folks that made the same choice to not buy it from the original comment.
 

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"I almost bought it yesterday when it was in my Steam recommendations. Glad i decided to wait. I'd rather not support " Same folks who are upset with the comment might have stated the same thing about not buying the game......

I don't agree with what the dev stated, but I agree with them apologizing.

If I buy the game or not will not have anything to do with them apologizing or even about the comment made. Such actions like not buying a game based on this is just as dumb as the folks that made the same choice to not buy it from the original comment.
I disagree you give a bit of power to the censorship/outrage crowd they will become unbearable and the whole industry will have to appeal to them. They even have their own list of "video game nasties". What is this? Puritan UK in the 1980s? Just ignore those fucking idiots.
 

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It's hardly a big deal. Some in game sprite of a shampoo bottle will be altered and someone will probably visit the office for a days worth of lectures about minority groups.

You're totally free to enjoy the game still.
 
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Why exactly are people calling the retardera crowd "paedophiles"?

You don't win a war with falsehood and slander.
Leaked discord logs show era mods and prominent members leaning pedo. They are apparently trying to sue the leaker.

But no surprises really, being far Woke is being open to pedophilia being just another form of sexuality. Seldom admitted as it is not socially accepted.....yet. There are attempts at slowly normalising it by presenting virtues of love between adults and mid teens. The teens are just a start and it is a safe space for pedos to amass.

Here is Antifa messaging...

 
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I disagree you give a bit of power to the censorship/outrage crowd they will become unbearable and the whole industry will have to appeal to them. They even have their own list of "video game nasties". What is this? Puritan UK in the 1980s? Just ignore those fucking idiots.
smh, soooo you don't even see what you did there huh?

" you give a bit of power to the censorship/outrage crowd" and then "those fucking idiots" My friend, that isn't going to make them go away, in fact that is going to make any company a bigger target.

First, they won't go away no different then folks who call them "fucking idiots" won't go away...

Second, someone won't even be on their radar if they just apologize and move on. That ironically is the way to avoid this whole mess. Apologize, remove the post and move on. At some point, the industry must be civil. That behavior is why those folks exist in the first place. The smart thing for any company to do is simply remove it, apologize, having a meeting about it and move on. Want to make it continue? By all means "just ignore" and keep allowing that behavior and you'd simply increase the complaints. Its just not the way to move on from something, thats the way to keep them actually complaining about this stuff in the first place.

Its like poring honey on yourself and then acting surprised when you see bees or something.
 

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? Then get shocked at bad press?

Apologize, remove comment and move on. Its all any company can do, but wasting the time to fight against it never helps.
Glad you agree that 3DRealms should apologise to all the people upset at them pandering to human pieces of shit at Ree! Obviously, before it got them horrible reputation and refunds! Y'know to avoid bad press!

Oh wait.

I don't agree with what the dev stated, but I agree with them apologizing.

If I buy the game or not will not have anything to do with them apologizing or even about the comment made. Such actions like not buying a game based on this is just as dumb as the folks that made the same choice to not buy it from the original comment.
Thus speaketh the pathetic hypocrite.

Pandering to 20 people from Ree: your response, positive "i uhgree"
The majority being angry: your response, negative "u jus as bad"
Oh look, the impressions of words, what are they? Hey, buddy, your verbiage doesn't even come close to you coming across neutral. You do this every time, you're a defensive baby to sjw shit, going on tirades of those opposing and then go "btw I'm just being centrist". See-through. Only one you're fooling is yourself. I'm sure you'd love it if people just rolled over to ree and didn't tell them and anyone pandering to them to fuck off. It'd be horrible, companies might think it's a bad idea.

Galaxy brain, shouldn't you be demanding 3DRealms do the same for people currently complaining, y'know apoligising to avoid bad PR? 'cus as you said you agree with that shit. We both know the answer.
 

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Now they say it, lol. Bending the knee really didn't work out as promised.



Edit: Also "Fuck politics" ahaha, don't make me laugh.
Fuck politics?
Than why did they change it? They should have stayed with what they thought was funny.
 

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Leaked discord logs show era mods and prominent members leaning pedo. They are apparently trying to sue the leaker.

But no surprises really, being far Woke is being open to pedophilia being just another form of sexuality. Seldom admitted as it is not socially accepted.....yet. There are attempts at slowly normalising it by presenting virtues of love between adults and mid teens. The teens are just a start and it is a safe space for pedos to amass.

Here is Antifa messaging...

yea...and here is the full story.


smh. Those looking to inform honestly need not mislead, trick or give half the story.

MeatSafeMurderer MeatSafeMurderer Agreed. Beat me to it. I recall this story when it first happened.
 
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