KotOR's last update is dated February 10th 2016 therefore it has 64 bit support.
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iOS 11 is 64-bit only - 32-bit apps no longer work (i.e. some games)
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KotOR's last update is dated February 10th 2016 therefore it has 64 bit support.
Oh thank goodness. You can take my KOTOR when you pry it from my cold dead hands, apple.
the fact that iOS isn't already 64 bit is the shocking thing. 64-bit has been around forever. It's about time. Throwing a tantrum over progress is silly.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Comparing iOS to consoles is nonsensical, because they're fundamentally different. There aren't 10 different PS3s with differing chipsets and architectures, and a software platform that has evolved across all of them. If you want to compare this to something, compare it to PCs, Macs, or other mobile phone platforms. Otherwise you're making fundamentally broken points.
It is 64-bit. They're just cutting out 32-bit compatibility now.
I meant 64-bit only.
Pokemaniac
Member
The expectation that developers need to support their software indefinitely just to keep it working is unhealthy. We've got better things to do than deal with platforms that are as much a moving target as iOS.
This attitude also ignores that not all types of software have resources devoted to maintaining them long term. And that software can just get abandoned for a bunch of legitimate reasons.
Virtually everything still has 32-bit compatibility. Apple is actually going out of their way to cut compatibility here.
likely because keeping that compatibility will eventually cause old apps to run terribly and rather than have 32-bit apps make their phones seem shitty, they just cut them so everything is on the same level.
This strikes me as absurd. No operating system should be forced to maintain compatibility for you. Technology (hardware and software) moves forward. If you want your app to remain compatible with newer technologies, you have to maintain it.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Yeah all this is worth it
VincentMatts
Member
Honestly after all the time they had to update, if they still haven't updated their apps to support 64bits, then I don't want their app on my phone
exactly.
Appreciate the reccomndations, picked up a couple.
Unfortunately like half of them have been delisted.
Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome right here to me. There are many good games which won't get updates because the developers have shut, or IP rights have changed, which deserve to be preserved. Forcing them to no longer work is the definition of anti-consumer and I can't believe people are defending it.
Rodney McKay
Member
I probably will keep my iPad Mini 2 on iOS 10 forever, and I think I only have 2 games that will disappear if I updated to iOS 11: Peggle Classic, and XCOM.
Honestly, I hardly ever play Peggle anymore, but it's such a great pickup and play game that it's worth it to me to keep it.
XCOM... I always tell myself I'm going to get into it, but I suck so much at these types of games that I rarely get past the first mission after the tutorial, lol.
Thankfully I don't care much about iOS updates so it wont effect my iPad usage until games/apps will start to require iOS 11+ to work, but that probably wont be for years (most new apps I've looked at only require iOS 7 or 8 minimum), and I'll probably get a newer iPad, iPhone, or iPod Touch (if they ever refresh it) by then and keep my old iPad Mini 2 for the legacy stuff.
Honestly, I hardly ever play Peggle anymore, but it's such a great pickup and play game that it's worth it to me to keep it.
XCOM... I always tell myself I'm going to get into it, but I suck so much at these types of games that I rarely get past the first mission after the tutorial, lol.
Thankfully I don't care much about iOS updates so it wont effect my iPad usage until games/apps will start to require iOS 11+ to work, but that probably wont be for years (most new apps I've looked at only require iOS 7 or 8 minimum), and I'll probably get a newer iPad, iPhone, or iPod Touch (if they ever refresh it) by then and keep my old iPad Mini 2 for the legacy stuff.
A lot of them plain don't work properly anymore anyway. Dead Space for example runs but music and voiceovers won't work and broken gyro controls won't allow you to advance past the early part of the game.
This is why I've personally bought an iPad mini 3 on iOS 8.2 to keep these "forever".
Goalus
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8BitsAtATime
Member
Doom doesnt work
Thanks, this is the kind of answer I was looking for.
If I could, I would, but unfortunatedly it's not in the cards for me to change phones soon-ish. Not like its software is terribly outdated right now anyway, so I'm not too worried in that front. Rarely my phones are cutting edge in terms of software...
Well, yeah.
Either way it's not on the OS maker.
eyeball_kid
Member
Atlus, please take a bit of time to update SMT 1 on iOS. This is the only version we have in the west, and it will go away.
It absolutely is on the OS maker to ensure some form of compatibility - or in an ideal world - preservation.
And they have since 2013 when they first brought in 64-bit chips. 4 years is a long time for the mobile world.
For 3 years they've pushed for apps to update, and for the last 2 they've forced them to have 64-bit compatibility if they updated or released.
Most of the apps that have yet to update are already broken in some way from the various iOS updates. I had some that would just crash immediately after launching.
I don't think giving four years' grace is an amazing thing that they should be applauded for, given how many games will now be literally impossible to buy and play.
I mean, it's nearly half the life of the App Store itself.
Like I said, much of these games are forgotten, and many are already broken.
Of course, the other option is not updating to iOS 11 and you can keep playing however many of these older games you still happen to have.
One might argue that the fact that they are broken is another indictment of Apple and its OS upgrades.
Anyway let's agree to disagree - I'm never going to find making so many games obsolete a defendable position.
It's just like any other OS really. They all grow up sometime.
Software compatibility isn't forever.
Complain at the companies to update their game, not at Apple for updating. Nothing lasts without maintenance.
They won't update? Don't invest in a company that clearly doesn't care enough about their game to update it.
Some of these companies don't exist any more.
I agree. People complain about modern operating systems being so bloated, yet they scream bloody murder if their decade-old applications may not run on them. If you want your software to continue working, and the developer/publisher doesn't care enough to update it to PROPERLY support new versions of your OS, then don't update your OS.
I agree to a point on the preservation angle, but there's some software that's so bad that a full rewrite is in order. Some things need to go away, especially when it's clear that they make no effort to make better use of resources as modern operating systems do or follow improvements in usability that've been made over the years.
shawnbuddy
Member
Oh, I guess my mom does still have my iPad 3, so in the extremely off chance I want to play an unsupported game it'll be there.
Maximus.
Member
Ah ok so when anything tries to get better or advance, we should all be held back by gone developers or lazy ones. This is how software has been since the beginning. Fuck those shitty developers.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I remember when Apple bent over backwards to make sure old applications worked on new systems. The now-fabled Motorola 68000 emulator in the early PowerPC Macs is probably the best example of this.
Apple ain't about that life anymore.
Apple ain't about that life anymore.
I think that's over estimating the number of people who really care about this at all.
Most people haven't used a 32 bit only app in years aside from a few of here on a gaming forum.
OriginalPoe
Banned
They better make it optional.
...I'm still on my ipad2 with ios7. Suck a fat one, Apple. </edge>
But seriously, this kinda reminds me of the good old days of RiscOS wonkery when that went full 32 Bits instead of 24 or whatever it was.
I just want a Rosetta Stone solution. An official VM with a choice of good iOS versions. Pop up a hefty warning that your battery is gonna melt and that the app may misbehave because it's unsupported, then download and launch it inside the VM and let the user deal with it. Compared to designing and selling personal computers and smartphones, each with their separate OS and the underlying services to mesh them together, that's barely any work. They just can't be arsed, is all. And I ain't even mad. Something like this was bound to happen at some time, and it will continue to happen.
However, anyone who thinks this is "good for the consumers" is a fool. The consumer friendly version would leave us some sort of crutch to run (and even purchase!) those apps even on the latest bleeding edge hardware. Even if it's utterly stupid. Even if it causes Apple extra work. Even if nobody really uses those apps anymore.
Oh well.
But seriously, this kinda reminds me of the good old days of RiscOS wonkery when that went full 32 Bits instead of 24 or whatever it was.
I just want a Rosetta Stone solution. An official VM with a choice of good iOS versions. Pop up a hefty warning that your battery is gonna melt and that the app may misbehave because it's unsupported, then download and launch it inside the VM and let the user deal with it. Compared to designing and selling personal computers and smartphones, each with their separate OS and the underlying services to mesh them together, that's barely any work. They just can't be arsed, is all. And I ain't even mad. Something like this was bound to happen at some time, and it will continue to happen.
However, anyone who thinks this is "good for the consumers" is a fool. The consumer friendly version would leave us some sort of crutch to run (and even purchase!) those apps even on the latest bleeding edge hardware. Even if it's utterly stupid. Even if it causes Apple extra work. Even if nobody really uses those apps anymore.
Oh well.
Pokemaniac
Member
There's still native support in the hardware for running 32-bit software in pretty much any CPU you'd use in these devices. The performance impact of leveraging that isn't really that big. It certainly isn't all compelling reason to drop support.
I don't expect everything to keep working forever. There's a pretty wide gulf between that and how Apple actually manages iOS, though. They're way over towards the other end of the spectrum, and that just makes the platform irritating to develop for.
PodcastFips
Member
Because it's missing 32-bit support? 95% of all users probably don't even know what that is.
GrinningColossus
Member
This immediately brings to mind the question: How is fully compatible software arbitrarily being disallowed in any way related to technology, hardware or software?
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Forever? We are talking about a few years. Its only about 2 years since 32bit only apps are no longer allowed on the app store.
I can run 32 bit programs and games on 64 bit Linux and Windows. Wut.
The OS tells you that these apps will no longer work in a future version. I'm pretty sure that anyone who has run these apps recently knows they are going away.
Windows is not 64-bit only either.
4 years since 64-bit was introduced on the phones.
2 years is a long time for phones, looks at how quickly things grow.
But can I run my 16-bit Win apps natively?
Eventually 32-bit will go away even on modern personal computers. That's probably way down the line though due to how ingrained they are.
It really doesn't matter for the iOS store.
95% of users likely don't even have a 32-bit only app installed.
Yes, I'm pulling that stat out of my ass but I can't see the average consumer somehow still using an old app that hasn't got a update in the last 2 years. Everything important to people is constantly updated.
And you think there's going to be a significant number of people who have apps that:
* are of such importance to them that they would want to miss out on the new features iOS 11 brings
* while they're at the same time no longer supported by the app's developer (i.e. haven't received updates within the last 2 years)
Sure, there's going to be situations like that, but i wouldn't call it "a heap of people". Unless you're talking about very small heaps here.
Like which other OS's? Windows has maintained compatibility for many years.
Windows 3.1 apps Can be used on a modern PC even today, through various compatibility modes, or failing that emulators or virtual Machines.
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