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Iowa 2008 Caucus Thread

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Precinct (dem) just finished.

Turn out of 381 people. First round only Obama was viable. After realignment, Edwards was viable, Clinton needed 2 more and was non-viable. Another alignment, and our 7 went 5 Obama 2 Edwards.
 
siamesedreamer said:
I see you're not sold.
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I always thought Hillary could lose Iowa. Even New Hampshire theoretically but I no longer consider her the favorite as I did before. If it's not at least even, then Obama has a small odds on lead on her at the moment. I'm not yet ready to enter into Chris Mathews hyperbole territory though.
 
MetatronM said:
In the sense that he's a white, affable, Southern man? Sure.
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The conventional wisdom has been that Democrats need to run a southerner to win a southern state or two to win. However, it doesn't seem to work that way anymore. Things are even more polarized these days. If I remember correctly, Edwards didn't even win his home state. But some western states have moved more blue . . . so what matters are the damn battleground states.
 
sp0rsk said:
Yay for Obama, but god I hope this Huckabee thing is only Iowa.
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Apparently, MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews mentioned that Pat Robertson won Iowa when he ran. After Iowa he fell off the face of the earth. But who knows how this round will go.
 
Justin Bailey said:
Actually, I thought he was just making a crack about that. I know people that make it a point to say they're from "Northern" Virginia because of the social divide.
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Pretty much. Anything north of Fredericksburg feels like a completely different state. It's pretty alarming.
 
JaY P. said:
Apparently, MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews mentioned that Pat Robertson won Iowa when he ran. After Iowa he fell off the face of the earth. But who knows how this round will go.
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Robertson claims to "heal" people on television. Huckabee is more subtle. That's the problem.
 
topsyturvy said:
Iowa is one of the whitest states in the nation with 95% being white. Obama rates about 57 percent of change. :/

the south might just go to the GOP, But not as much as it went for bush.
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I think this is where statistics start to lie. Iowa being 95% white would be highly relevent if this was a primary. Being a caucus it is the hardest of the hardcore that are taking part. Amongst Democrats that's going to be a group of very socially progressive people. Obama's race wouldn't have come into it for them.
 
:lol WTF is with the crazy 3D pie chart Anderson Cooper is holding? Bizarre uses of cool technology FTC (for teh confusion)
 
JaY P. said:
Apparently, MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews mentioned that Pat Robertson won Iowa when he ran. After Iowa he fell off the face of the earth. But who knows how this round will go.
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You mean Pat Buchanan.
 
what's this floating graph on cnn. elections make all the tech come out. they can't get enough of those touch screens.
 
Mason said:
:lol WTF is with the crazy 3D pie chart Anderson Cooper is holding. Bizarre uses of cool technology FTC (for teh confusion)
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Oh, thank God it wasn't me. I was about to put away the rum.
 
Tobor said:
Robertson claims to "heal" people on television. Huckabee is more subtle. That's the problem.
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I'm just going by what the commentators said. But it appears that Iowa has a heavy religious demographic. Like I mentioned earlier, who knows how this will turn out.
 
ronito said:
Can someone explain why Guiliani is doing so poorly? I no Mr. 9/11 fan, but I expected him to do better.
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He didn't bother with Iowa or NH for that matter. He's already down in Florida campaigning :lol
 
ronito said:
Can someone explain why Guiliani is doing so poorly? I no Mr. 9/11 fan, but I expected him to do better.
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Giuliani's strategy is reliant on winning the big states. He didn't bother in these early states.
 
btw, I missed out on the RIP Ron Paul thread. Enron, I take back all the bad things I said about you. I love you man.
 
ronito said:
Can someone explain why Guiliani is doing so poorly? I no Mr. 9/11 fan, but I expected him to do better.
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You know why the evangelicals despise Bill Clinton? Same reasons. Rudy's actually worse than Clinton. His kids hate his guts, he fucked around on his wife on the taxpayers' expense, and he loves abortion & gays.
 
artredis1980 said:
housing market collapse, economic recession, dollar in doldrums, yes alot of growth
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housing market collapse - The government can't help it if homeowners buy beyond their means. The housing market was a bubble. It was bound to burst eventually.

economic recession - Since when? It may go into recession in the future, but based on current data, we're not in a recession.

dollar in doldrums - I'm not sure if this is all that bad for the economy, like some proclaim. It lifts exports, which will create jobs. Heck, China has their currency set artificially low, and it's one of the reasons they're posting 10%+ GDP growth every year.
 
topsyturvy said:
your saying that a clinton/obama ticket wouldn't resonate with voters?
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A Clinton/Obama ticket is Democratic suicide. Literally. Just hand it to the Donkeys.

Obama/White Male has a chance.
 
Tobor said:
Robertson claims to "heal" people on television. Huckabee is more subtle. That's the problem.
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In Virginia Beach, we let Pat Robertson open a university. Top that, you liberal northerner.
 
Great start for Obama. If he can keep it up, he'll win the nomination since it's very likely that those that don't support Hillary already will not support her once their own candidates sink.
 
Tobor said:
Not a snowball's chance in hell. I live in Virginia. The idiots loathe Hilary here. And there are boatloads of idiots here.
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Yeah . . . George 'Macaca' Allen just barely lost despite all the racist stuff surrounding him.
 
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lulz. he lost a lot of weight.
 
MSNBC: 200,000 participated in the Dem. caucuses, double the Republican turnout.
 
teruterubozu said:
You mean Pat Buchanan.
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Nope, Matthews said Pat Robertson. But I think his information was wrong. According to wikipedia:

Republicans

* 2004- George W. Bush (unopposed)
* 2000- George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (30%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%) and Orrin Hatch (1%)
* 1996- Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%) and Morry Taylor (1%)
* 1992- George H. W. Bush (unopposed)
* 1988- Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%) and Pete DuPont (7%)
* 1984- Ronald Reagan (unopposed)
* 1980- George H. W. Bush (32%), Ronald Reagan (30%), Howard Baker (15%), John Connally (9%), Phil Crane (7%), John B. Anderson (4%) and Bob Dole (2%)
* 1976- Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus
 
avaya said:
Giuliani's strategy is reliant on winning the big states. He didn't bother in these early states.
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Why is where he campaigned such an issue though?

He was in debates, people know what his ideas are. Why does the fact the he didnt send out flyers hurt him so much, when everybody knows his name?


This isnt like Ron Paul in which he needs to spend money so that people know who he is. Guilliani is already on radars. He should have more votes
 
Tobor said:
A Clinton/Obama ticket is Democratic suicide. Literally. Just hand it to the Donkeys.

Obama/White Male has a chance.
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why?

hillary >>> edwards

why are you pulling the sexist card as if she have no chance whats so ever? Do you really think that anywhere but the south won't vote for hillary? Last time i check john kerry and john edwards didn't do shit to the south nor iowa and ohio. A obama/hillary ticket can knock it right through.
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah . . . George 'Macaca' Allen just barely lost despite all the racist stuff surrounding him.
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I saw Allen give a speech to a group of Realtors before Macacagate, and it was truly frightening.
 
JaY P. said:
Nope, Matthews said Pat Robertson. But I think his information was wrong. According to wikipedia:

Republicans

* 2004- George W. Bush (unopposed)
* 2000- George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (30%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%) and Orrin Hatch (1%)
* 1996- Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%) and Morry Taylor (1%)
* 1992- George H. W. Bush (unopposed)
* 1988- Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%) and Pete DuPont (7%)
* 1984- Ronald Reagan (unopposed)
* 1980- George H. W. Bush (32%), Ronald Reagan (30%), Howard Baker (15%), John Connally (9%), Phil Crane (7%), John B. Anderson (4%) and Bob Dole (2%)
* 1976- Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus
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I thought Matthews just said this was LIKE electing Pat Robertson.
 
So, all things considered, I'm pretty happy. 3rd place for Clinton would be lovely. Though it's kind of annoying to see Ron Paul get double digits.
 
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