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Iowa grants Gun Permits To The Blind
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ShaggsMagoo
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You can also own a cigarette without smoking it. Cigarettes are still restricted for sale to a certain class of people.
And things will never change because a sizable percentage of the population thinks that guns are more important than health insurance, help for the poor, solid infrastructure and well-paying jobs. Either that, or they implicitly say so by voting for the conservatives who would place a gun in each of our hands and let the gods sort things out.
Black Mamba
Member
My issue isn't the owning of said guns, it is open carry.
Blind person wants to go to a gun range, fine by me. Want to walk into walmart with one..no way.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
We don't have a constitutional right to own cigarettes.
This law is allowing BLIND PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS IN PUBLIC. It's in literally the second line. This isn't just about owning them, it's about carrying them around during their day to day lives. If a blind guy wants a civil war-era revolver in a glass case who gives a fuck, but if he wants to carry around a glock when he goes to the market then we should stop him.
You can own a car without driving it but that doesn't mean you're entitled to a license. There's nothing preventing blind people from buying as many guns as they want, or using them at ranges. This is about a practical use permit that by definition is intended to be exercised in public places.
Black Mamba
Member
You also don't have one to own an automatic machine gun, either.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
I'm just as against open carry as the next guy but I don't agree with restricting blind people just because they are blind.
Black Mamba
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Public safety is more important, IMO.
Nothing against the blind but it's a hazard.
And why not? How are they going to aim the gun? They literally cannot see what they are aiming at. If they pull their gun then everyone around them has just been put in danger due to their disability and their idiocy. There have to be practical limits to things.
You have to be trolling, I cannot believe you don't see the issue with letting blind people carry around loaded guns in public.
I understood that reference
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Oh lol..that's great.Lmao
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Open carry is the hazard. It shouldn't be allowed at all, carving out something for the blind is self-defeating because the people who are going to be hitting something are the people who can see they are loading, pointing, and shooting a gun.
The impetus to be against this is that they are blind and they might hit something with the gun, yet you are asking "how are they going to hit something if they are blind"
Doesn't make much sense to me.
I have to be trolling because I disagree with people?
I'm against open carry, blind people open carrying is not even .01% of the people carrying guns in public and shooting people.
No, we don't think guns are more important than some of those other issues. That doesn't mean people are going to suddenly support the government seizing innocent people's property, especially since gun violence has been declining for years.
You might understand if you've ever used one. They're fun, as long as you keep safety mind.
Black Mamba
Member
This defense makes no sense at all.
"We're already allowing something unsafe, so might as well not discriminate and allow something even unsafer!"
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
minor effort
Banned
Gun proponents fantasize every modest restriction on the sale, purchase, or carrying of guns will immediately lead to Obama descending in a black helicopter with his federal thugs and personally seizing your property.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
I don't see how my position is any less sensical than saying "we are already allowing something unsafe so lets do something that doesn't actually make it safer and puts a protected class under a microscope"
At least I'm not here saying open carry makes things safer like proponents of open carry make their position known as.
Aeternus Malum
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I don't know if this was intentional or not but it can't go unnoticed
Visualante2
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I don't think this is anything new. Bowling for Columbine briefly mentioned a blind gun owner.
Black Mamba
Member
"at least my argument isn't as bad as theirs" is how I read that.
Again, not sure how that is a good defense.
My position is "open carry is bad enough, now we're going to even let the blind partake...good lord."
This is beyond stupid.
I'm really sorry you're blind, but it means that you're going to miss out on some things in life.
They aren't allowed to drive because it's a hazard, they shouldn't be allowed a fucking firearm. They simply aren't capable.
This isn't about rights, this is about being a danger to yourself and your surroundings, even with the best of intentions.
I'm really sorry you're blind, but it means that you're going to miss out on some things in life.
They aren't allowed to drive because it's a hazard, they shouldn't be allowed a fucking firearm. They simply aren't capable.
This isn't about rights, this is about being a danger to yourself and your surroundings, even with the best of intentions.
NoblesseOblige
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I mean, if you want to get technical, blind people can own cars too. They just can't drive them.
minor effort
Banned
With self-driving cars on the horizon the idea of blind people "operating" a car solo is now more feasible than issuing a firearm carry license to a blind individual.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Defense of what exactly? I'm a proponent of getingt rid of open carry completely, and that would include it for the blind if you really need it pointed out. It's a futile exercise IMO to only ban open carry for a small group of people (3 people in a whole state) when it should be for everyone.
I don't agree with denying rights to protected classes. It should be a blanket ban.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
I can already see the arms companies making sonar for them
Guess we should outlaw steak knives to blind people and only let them eat with their hands since they could kill someone with a knife then.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Somebody should make a first-person shooter based on this.
I shall provide first concept art:
Oh my god lmao
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Come on Iowa. This isn't like you.
Somebody should make a first-person shooter based on this.
I shall provide first concept art:
Just added some bad guys mixed in with some innocent bystanders:
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Well now we just need self-shooting guns then!
Kidding.
My point was just a semantic one of owning a gun or car is different from operating either. In my real opinion gun licenses should require at the very least a class at a range that includes shooting a passing score. I say that as a gun owner (who isn't blind).
Just added some bad guys mixed in with some innocent bystanders:
A sweet UI to go with the theme of the game.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Unless the person is using the knife as a throwing knife, then the example isn't appropriate.
Black Mamba
Member
You can deny rights when circumstances warrant this. This is one of them. We do this all the time, but people are generally unaware.
Totally the same thing!
Rawket Lawnchair
Member
lol at the FPS ideas above
Knives have a utilitarian purpose that go far beyond putting a lead slug into anything you point it at.
A blind man can effectively learn how to utilize a knife as it's use does not strictly require sight and can be used by feel. Can you say the same about a device that's in it's core designed to perforate people at large range?
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