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*Internet high five*
My Green will be waiting for me on friday! 32GB. (I have way too much music)
Yeah, UPS/Fedex, at least in my area, always deliver to businesses before residential areas.
Why are so many people going to the Apple Store to get their phone instead of their carrier? The Apple Store in Center City, Philly has had a line around the block all day. Meanwhile, all the carrier stores around it are virtually empty. I doubt THAT many people are buying their phones unlocked. I walked into the Sprint store 2 blocks away and walked out with my 5c in less than a half hour. Is there some benefit to buying it direct from Apple that I don't know about?
How would any of us possibly know other than guessing wildly?
He didn't ask if you knew, he asked what your thoughts were.
Probably a 6. If they continue the trend from this year, what internals would the 6C be? The 5s? Dunno if you can use the fingerprint sensor in that plastic body. As another aside, I have no idea if that's true or not lol
The Faceless Master
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Diablohead
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Probably a 6. If they continue the trend from this year, what internals would the 6C be? The 5s? Dunno if you can use the fingerprint sensor in that plastic body. As another aside, I have no idea if that's true or not lol
6C imo could easily be the 5S in plastic, no touch button and other removals, only saving the user £10 this time instead of £20 because apple.
The naming would be silly but maybe have a 5s in a C body.
Can't really call it a 6C if it's not really a 6. Then again, I guess Apple can do whatever they want.
Guess it really depends in what features 6 will bring.
I was just wondering what their gameplan might be. That is, will they always introduce a 'C' model that matches the current? Or the C only pops up every two years when the S comes up? Maybe the C inherits the S properties? Who knows.
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I don't understand why people are buying this phone. Those who are, why?
If it's the aesthetics, I suppose I can get it, but I just can't see the point in choosing to not spend $100 more for something that is much better and will last longer.
If it's the aesthetics, I suppose I can get it, but I just can't see the point in choosing to not spend $100 more for something that is much better and will last longer.
Mainly because the apple store will carry hundreds, while the carrier store is lucky to have 50 most of the time.
I would be the same as you as in pay the little extra to get a much improved device. However, I do understand that for many people, that isn't a priority, so I won't say I don't 'get' it.
A good example is stuff like a toaster or grill. Let's say you could buy one with more features, like a rewarm feature or whatever. But you don't, preferring to get the one that is nicer style to your kitchen or mentality and a little cheaper to boot...
Point is, for many people, these devices are just appliances, not a lifestyle.
On top of that, it IS still an iPhone 5, and probably a more durable one at that.
1) I like the look. Even now, having it in my possession, the 5c is such a chic (but not pretentious-looking) device. I almost don't want to put a case on it. And, unlike the 4/5/5c I don't FEEL like I have to. The 5c doesn't look like it'll shatter at the slightest bump. Truthfully, I always resented the look of the 4/5. It was the first time I felt like Apple sacrificed function for form...and the countless iPhones that shattered after the smallest of drops confirm this.
2) I like the price, but not because I can't "afford" the the 5s. Honestly, it's not that I couldn't spend 200+ on a smartphone, but I refuse to do that for something that feels like an iterative design. People make a big to-do about the 5s' 64bit processor but, realistically, it'll be years before the app world at large catches up, and by then I'll be up for another upgrade and Apple will have introduced a newer, better iPhone to take advantage of 64bit apps. The 5c just feels like such an in-between device, and I refuse to pay a premium for that. In the future, when the iPhone 6 (or 6s) comes out and really WOWS the world, I'll be more than happy to drop $200 for one. But now? A slightly better processor (in real world usage) and a slightly better camera just aren't worth it to me.
3) Before I made my purchase, I spent a decent amount of time holding display models of both phones, and it confirmed what I always felt: despite being plastic, the 5c just FEELS so much sturdier. This is important to me because I had to go through the hell of a damaged iPhone for months.
It does look pretty nice once I've seen it in person. So the aesthetic is one thing. And 100 bucks still matters for a lot of people. Especially the on contract at 99 bucks. I mean, what's essentially 2 iPhone 5s at the cost of one 5S could be an easy decision depending on the situation.
Lots and lots of people don't care that much about the top of the line. They find their value elsewhere.
I got a green 5C today. My first iPhone!
A few reasons I didn't get the 5S:
1) Price - I'm on T-Mobile so it's $549 vs $699, not $99 vs $199.
2) Availability - 5C was available as a walk-in. Wouldn't expect to get a 5S w/o a preorder
3) I'm upgrading from a really, really shitty Android phone, so I really don't need top-of-the-line performance, and the 5C performs exceedingly well.
4) It's green.
I wanted the yellow one, but they didn't receive any and I wasn't in a position to wait (said shitty android phone was going dead within 45 minutes).
Don't know what Apple was thinking with the pink/salmon color. A nice fire-engine red would have made that my first choice.
A few reasons I didn't get the 5S:
1) Price - I'm on T-Mobile so it's $549 vs $699, not $99 vs $199.
2) Availability - 5C was available as a walk-in. Wouldn't expect to get a 5S w/o a preorder
3) I'm upgrading from a really, really shitty Android phone, so I really don't need top-of-the-line performance, and the 5C performs exceedingly well.
4) It's green.
I wanted the yellow one, but they didn't receive any and I wasn't in a position to wait (said shitty android phone was going dead within 45 minutes).
Don't know what Apple was thinking with the pink/salmon color. A nice fire-engine red would have made that my first choice.
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I get the aesthetic part, but I can't understand 2) unless contracts work differently where you are from.
Aesthetics aside, you're saving $100 over the course of two years (or at least 18 months). That's a very small amount to save when you could have had double the performance (even before apps are being developed with 64-bit in mind), a fingerprint scanner (doesn't matter if you don't use passwords to lock your phone, I suppose), and a better camera.
I can totally understand holding off if you got a 5 last year, or even if you have a 4S or some other relatively powerful phone, but if you're going to be buying one anyway and renewing or starting a long-term contract, it just seems like it makes more sense to get the one that will be faster in day-to-day performance and have superior features for a very pretty minor premium. Aesthetics aside, of course.
I have yet to see confirmation of "double the performance" tbh. In fact, most reviews I've read have confirmed that 5s' real world performance (navigating iOS7, using current apps) is mostly marginal, and the general consensus seems to be "The phone is future-proof. The apps that show off the extra power will come in time." Well, in the meantime, I'm more than comfortable with the 5c.
Sure, it's only 100 dollars savings, but a lot of people (such as myself) are more concerned with the upfront cost. In that sense, I can think of other things to spend that extra $100 that's not a phone with improvements I only see as iterative (right now).
You have to realize that a large majority of people don't think like this. They just see 100 dollar iphone and see the deal. Honestly Apple is probably going to make a shit ton of money on these phones in the long run. Especially when they become the free phone in a year.
I got my 5s today douw
I very much doubt this. The new iPhone has historically sold at least three times more than the year old model alongside it. A blue and pink models ain't going to change that — although 5s supply constraints might. The iPhone 4 actually was the second best selling model last year so the 5c has to top the 'free' 4s before coming close to the 5s. That's probably Apple's main goal, to shift the balance from the 'free' phone to the midrange. If the 5c does end up selling ten times more than the 5s I'd be concerned about Apple's long term image.
The 5c back is sturdier but if you crack the glass back on your iPhone 4/4S, or chip the aluminum of the 5, it isn't that big a deal. Sure it looks bad but it still works as intended. The front face is what you really want to protect and the 5c has the same glass face as the other iPhones. Drop it on the front edge and it will crack. If you're really worried about cracks then an iPhone 5 and a proper case should do the trick.
Nokia and Samsung don't have full glass fronts on their plastic phones
I'm not against plastic phones. I very much prefer the ergonomics of the curved edges on the 5c. But at the end of the day it's still a plastic phone heavier and thicker than an iPhone 5. (heck, it's heavier and thicker than a Galaxy S4). There ain't nothing chic about it.
I got a green 5C today. My first iPhone!
A few reasons I didn't get the 5S:
1) Price - I'm on T-Mobile so it's $549 vs $699, not $99 vs $199.
2) Availability - 5C was available as a walk-in. Wouldn't expect to get a 5S w/o a preorder
3) I'm upgrading from a really, really shitty Android phone, so I really don't need top-of-the-line performance, and the 5C performs exceedingly well.
4) It's green.
I wanted the yellow one, but they didn't receive any and I wasn't in a position to wait (said shitty android phone was going dead within 45 minutes).
Don't know what Apple was thinking with the pink/salmon color. A nice fire-engine red would have made that my first choice.
Ha, reminds of all the people who bought a Nexus4 from T-mobile for $430 when Google was selling it for $350.
If it looks new, it is new.
Yes, which is why the 5c should sell better than the 4s, but
- The 5s, with the gold and spacegrey models, also looks 'new'
- The 5c clearly looks inferior to the 5 and 5s. The 5c doesn't look premium.
If the 5C does end up selling considerably more than the 5S, Id say thats a disturbing lesson for Apple and troubling news for those of us who want Apple to keep making the best stuff.
If Apple sees they can sell older tech in a colour plastic shell and sell ten times more than the latest and greatest iphone, then what incentive do they have to make these iPhones thinner, lighter, faster, etc?
I expect the 5C to do better than other $100, year-old models. But if it truly blows away the 5S in sales, then 1) Id be surprised and 2) Apple may have some interesting choices to make about their future lineups.
launch day crowds are unsurprisingly going for the 5S. I doubt well have any idea how much the split is between these two models. Im guessing well know pretty well for next years iphone launch.
If theres a 6 and 6C right off the bat, then Id say the 5C was a big success. If theres just a 6 and then the 5S selling for $100, then thatd be a pretty clear admission that the c experiment didnt take off the way Apple wanted.
If Apple sees they can sell older tech in a colour plastic shell and sell ten times more than the latest and greatest iphone, then what incentive do they have to make these iPhones thinner, lighter, faster, etc?
I expect the 5C to do better than other $100, year-old models. But if it truly blows away the 5S in sales, then 1) Id be surprised and 2) Apple may have some interesting choices to make about their future lineups.
launch day crowds are unsurprisingly going for the 5S. I doubt well have any idea how much the split is between these two models. Im guessing well know pretty well for next years iphone launch.
If theres a 6 and 6C right off the bat, then Id say the 5C was a big success. If theres just a 6 and then the 5S selling for $100, then thatd be a pretty clear admission that the c experiment didnt take off the way Apple wanted.
That's a little extreme. The iBook outsold the PowerBook for a while and the world didn't end. They will continue to have two lines from here in out.
And the MacBook Air outsells the MacBook Pro. I don't think these examples apply to the phone market.
Those are difference product lines. The iBook (MBA) optimizes thinness and weight. The Powerbook (MBP) optimizes for power. There are trade-offs worth considering even beyond the price. The 5c optimizes for... color? It's about improving Apple's margins not making a better phone.
I suppose I just consider the 5C to be one of the more cynical Apple products theyve made and not a really interesting or desirable product.
If it sells well, OK. but when I hear hyperbole like it could have "10 times 5S sales (sorry, Juice, i took your post literally), I cant help but think what would happen if that were true and it bums me out a little.
I think the law of demand holds true in many markets, including the phone market.
Just came back from the Apple Store in Regent Street London. I'm still waiting for the 5S to restock but I don't expect to have it in the next month. While I was there I played around with the 5C and I have to say I feel much better about it now. It feels better in your hand than any other iPhone, 5S included, and the colours really are nice.
However, it is a ripoff and people can see it. I expected it to flop (for a new iPhone at least), and after seeing how widely available it is in shops around the city I have to say it seems like it is. It is a good product, but it is priced so close to the clearly superior 5S that people don't want it.
If it was 400-450 dollars off contract it would have outsold the 5S by a wide margin. Right now, I think it will be the worst performing iPhone by far, which hopefully would make Apple slash the price in the future.
However, it is a ripoff and people can see it. I expected it to flop (for a new iPhone at least), and after seeing how widely available it is in shops around the city I have to say it seems like it is. It is a good product, but it is priced so close to the clearly superior 5S that people don't want it.
If it was 400-450 dollars off contract it would have outsold the 5S by a wide margin. Right now, I think it will be the worst performing iPhone by far, which hopefully would make Apple slash the price in the future.
The law of demand is distorted in the phone market by carrier subsidies and obfuscating contracts. There's only demand for iPhone 5c in countries where most customers are on contract (mainly USA**, Canada and Japan — and Japan has a price war going where the iPhone 5s is basically the same 'contract price' as a 5c). In other countries there's just no demand. Those who barely afford an iPhone will go for the 4s (or 4 in China where it's still available) and the others with enough money will go for the 5s...
**and that's before you even consider Android and Windows Phones. $99 'contract' price point is the most competitive in the US phone market.
I disagree. Whether or not a phone is chic has nothing to do with its weight, especially considering that the 5c STILL weighs next to nothing. The fact that lighter phones exist doesn't detract from that.
To me, what makes the 5c so chic is the consistency of its design. The clean, smooth edges. The 5c is just so sleek. Can't say that about the 5/5s design - which looks like something I'd see sported on The Real Housewives of New Jersey. That two-toned back (in GOLD???). Blech...
I'm not sure I agree. Subsidies distort demand, but it doesn't distort the price difference between the two, at least outside Japan.
I really don't know what the sales breakdown will be. And I don't think apple will reveal those numbers, outside of ASP. I think it will sell better than the old models ever did though.
I was originally going to get a Nexus 4 from Google, but they ran out of stock and I wasn't going to pay T-Mobile's ridiculous markup. If I'm spending that much, I would rather get an iPhone.
This is a very old Apple sales technique. Apple is 100% fine with cannibalizing their own products, as long as you buy Apple.
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I needed more space, but I could save $100. I had fulfilled my two-year contract with Sprint so I can move to Verizon. Even though it's not the flagship iPhone model, having used it for half of yesterday, it feels like a nice improvement over the 4s and much lighter.
Part of me wishes I had gone blue or green, but white was the safe choice.
I considered that as well. One of the functions of the 5C might simply be to make the 5S look like a better deal in comparison.
Diablohead
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I got a green 5C today. My first iPhone!
A few reasons I didn't get the 5S:
1) Price - I'm on T-Mobile so it's $549 vs $699, not $99 vs $199.
2) Availability - 5C was available as a walk-in. Wouldn't expect to get a 5S w/o a preorder
3) I'm upgrading from a really, really shitty Android phone, so I really don't need top-of-the-line performance, and the 5C performs exceedingly well.
4) It's green.
I wanted the yellow one, but they didn't receive any and I wasn't in a position to wait (said shitty android phone was going dead within 45 minutes).
Don't know what Apple was thinking with the pink/salmon color. A nice fire-engine red would have made that my first choice.
Red devices usually become Apple store exclusives because part of the money goes to charity, they do this with ipods a lot.
That's a fair reaction in my opinion. I just don't think this portends the end of apple chasing the very top end of the market. They want to be Mercedes/BMW, and the 5c's pricing actually supports that. I'd be much more worried if it was as cheap as analysts wanted.
By the way, on new apple product launch weekends I reserve the right to exaggerate and not speak rationally. I do think 2x-3x sales are possible once initial release hype dies down
Just came in to post the same thing. I tried out both new phones for a while in the store today, and the 5c is very comfortable and has a really solid and snug feel to it. Much better in the hand than 5/5s, imo. It is still plasticy, but high quality. I looked at a bunch of samsung/misc android phones directly afterwords, and they felt and looked cheap as hell in comparison.
In comparison, the 5s disappointed me aesthetically. The colors are really dull (the gold is so muted it's hard to even notice until it's in your face), and I dislike how the home button looks with a ring around it. It just feels like a disjointed design, whereas the 5c feels a lot more solid and focused.
Full disclosure: I'm a 4s user and staying that way for a while, lolz.
The Faceless Master
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but it's T-Mobile, they have those stretch payment plans...
victreeb3l
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The white and blue 5c are calling out to me. I'll probably upgrade to a 5S sometime early next year but the C is looking more and more awesome to me..
Where do you get your data? According to CIRP, iPhone 4S has hovered around 30% of iPhone sales for the last year:
Strategy Analytics says iPhone 4S was the 2nd best selling model for at least half of the last year:
I don't see any data that says that iPhone 4 was the second best selling model last year.
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