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[Zeyphersan]

The iPhone 8 promo trailer will be soundtracked by MC Hammer's U can't touch this.

I could actually see this happening if this phone was coming out of 2001 Apple

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Heartbreaking. I may hold on to my 6+ for another year.

 

[The Faceless Master]

if it's in the same league as the Surface Pro it'll be fine.

 

[keuja]

Why would you need to look directly at it if it can (supposedly) read your face at extreme angles, like sitting flat on a table?

It doesn’t need you looking at it. It’s not reading your eyes.

Well the front facing camera better be a very wide angle one then.

 

[Zoe]

the weird thing is... I've never seen people complain more about having to do less to accomplish the same thing. Picking up your phone to unlock = easier than picking up your phone and clicking a button to unlock.

What? The touch is the same motion as picking up the phone. With TouchID, your phone can be unlocked before it's ever in view.

Idea is that if you give your phone to someone to look at your vacation photos, they shouldn't be able to troll you and open your touchid / faceid protected banking app etc. The fact that someone can point the phone (at an obtuse angle even, so you don't suspect?) towards you and gain access to that, does kind of suck.

Yeah, I'm skeptical how they'll avoid inadvertent unlocks.

 

[g11]

That screen would have to be something really incredible for me to have any interest w/o Touch ID. I use with with way too many apps with pain in the ass passwords. Mostly financial stuff.

 

[SUPARSTARX]

Dummies should've just put the sensor in the back like all the awesome Android phones out today. It would be the best compromise.

Might just get a 7S+ since my 6S+ is cracked.

 

[Big Baybee]

I have a 6+ and considering waiting another year.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I have a 6+ and considering waiting another year.

Truly an incredible phone!

 

[Aguero9320]

I am really looking forward to the new iphone to replace my awesome 6s+ but I have to say, unless they blow me away with the reveal, no Touch ID would mean no sale for me. It's just too big a feature to let go.

 

[andythinkpad]

It's late but

Courage.

 

[deepsleep]

I have zero interest in facial recognition. Just keep the damn Touch ID. It works perfectly fine

 

[Souless_PJ]

I have a 6+ and considering waiting another year.

Truly an incredible phone!

Nah 6+ was underpowered from the jump. It’s the iPad 3 of phones.

 

[Owari]

Eh. Not a big deal honestly.

 

[Everlya_Apocryha]

Apple's obsession of making their product as thin as possible now borders on insanity.....

 

[Rookje]

I hate Touch ID and facial recognition.

Facial recognition makes more sense, but I hate having to look at the camera. And it doesn't work in the dark, or in high brightness.

 

[Enco]

Eh. Not a big deal honestly.

Lol it was one of the biggest changes and improvements to the iPhone. It's absolutely a big deal.

A huge number of apps use it. Apple Pay uses it. Quickly unlocking your phone. Easy way to use a password manager.

I hate Touch ID and facial recognition.

Facial recognition makes more sense, but I hate having to look at the camera. And it doesn't work in the dark, or in high brightness.

If it's like the Surface it'll work with any lighting conditions. It can be pitch black and it'll still work.

 

[Damon]

What about the guy who uses Apple Pay every day to pay the toll while riding a motorcycle and wearing a helmet? Should he also wait for the Magic Apple Tech that can see through helmets and unlock

Put his pincode in?
It doesn't stop him from using Apple Pay.

Dont most motorbike riders wear gloves anyway?

Wish they retained the fingerprint sensor, but not sure why this is suddenly being blown up, we've known this for months. Apple couldn't get it to work in the way they wanted, so they scrapped it.

Im very sceptical on this FaceID stuff, I hope Apple have thought this through.

 

[jb1234]

I hate Touch ID and facial recognition.

Facial recognition makes more sense, but I hate having to look at the camera. And it doesn't work in the dark, or in high brightness.

I disabled Touch ID on my 6S because it worked like 25% of the time. Was maddening.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I hate Touch ID and facial recognition.

Facial recognition makes more sense, but I hate having to look at the camera. And it doesn't work in the dark, or in high brightness.

You’re probably right, Apple forgot to make it work after 6pm. Huge oversight, I don’t know how they let this happen

 

[RM8]

What the heck. I just upgraded to SE after AGES of using a 5C and Touch ID is freaking amazing. It'd suck if this feature disappears going forward for future models...

 

[Anticol]

Does it really matter? People who are into apple will buy a turd with a screen protector if its called iPhone.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Why not release a phone when its ready. Geez.

Cutting features and confusing your company message just to make a buck.

 

[Tunesmith]

It's be cool if this face id tech could be used to recognise complex hand gestures. Bring me a minority report style way to unlock the phone and use apply pay in addition to using my face.

 

[SuperBanana]

If they're swapping to facial recognition what happens at night, in a club, or with your face half buried in a pillow? People use their phones all the time in places too dark for a camera.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

I love Touch ID :/

 

[GrizzleBoy]

I hate Touch ID and facial recognition.

Facial recognition makes more sense, but I hate having to look at the camera. And it doesn't work in the dark, or in high brightness.

Facial recognition is generations upon generations old.

Iris scanning is what needs to be there if touch I'D is gone.

Also, everyone is missing the trick.

Touch ID is gone, BEHOLD TOUCH ID PLUS!

 

[KeRaSh]

Makes my decision way easier. iPhone 7 (PRODUCT) RED it is.

 

[Mr. Badger]

Does it really matter? People who are into apple will buy a turd with a screen protector if its called iPhone.

My experience is that this is the opposite of iPhone users in general.
No one buys screen protectors hence all the broken screens

 

[BocoDragon]

If they're swapping to facial recognition what happens at night, in a club, or with your face half buried in a pillow? People use their phones all the time in places too dark for a camera.

It doesn't actually rely on pure optics. It uses infrared depth sensing so it could work if you were hiding in a closet on the dark side of the moon.

True about the half buried in a pillow thing tho.

 

[Harmen]

You’re probably right, Apple forgot to make it work after 6pm. Huge oversight, I don’t know how they let this happen

I do wonder how this will work at night without any (good) lightsource though.

 

[BocoDragon]

I do wonder how this will work at night without any (good) lightsource though.

Infrared.

Ppl in here talking like you can't buy a Surface right now that will unlock with your face in pitch black.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Personally I am not buying any phone this year because I got a perfectly Xperia xz premium with 4k HDR screen that has no screen light leak or dead pixels so knock on wood BUT what kind of stupid phone with no finger print ?

I mean lol. Because they won't OLED they can't have a touch screen. ? Samsung been doing it for like years now what the hell man lol.

Unless they are talking about the finger print under the screen new invention thing. Then they should delay the phone till it works .

 

[Roo]

If they're swapping to facial recognition what happens at night, in a club, or with your face half buried in a pillow? People use their phones all the time in places too dark for a camera.

It has an infrared emitter/sensor. Even if you were in a room with no windows or any kind light sources you'd still be able to unlock your phone.

Think of it as some sort of night vision.

 

[cyba89]

So if this supposedly works from extreme angles, with the phone lying on the table and you don't have to look into the camera: Can people sitting next to me not just easily unlock my phone, maybe even without me noticing?

 

[BocoDragon]

So if this supposedly works from extreme angles, with the phone lying on the table and you don't have to look into the camera: Can people sitting next to me not just easily unlock my phone, maybe even without me noticing?

Probably yeah. I suppose it's less secure than Touch ID in that sense.

Better than passcodes though. I remember thinking those were useless for protecting from proximate people because they'd see you entering it over and over again.

I figure locks are really for if you and your device are parted. If people are messing with your device while you are there, well, stop them?

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Man, 'anywhere on the screen touchid' would have been so friggin cool. That combined with a proper new shell design in 3 (estimated) years, and stunning bezeless screen, it would really have been the best phone apple has ever made, and best phone ever.

I'm pretty sure it will be none of those things.

 

[Harmen]

Infrared.

Ppl in here talking like you can't buy a Surface right now that will unlock with your face in pitch black.

Well, that is why I am asking, I am not familiar with current standards of facial recognition tech. I didn't know infrared camera tech these days was small enough to fit into a thin phone of iphone size.

 

[BocoDragon]

Well, that is why I am asking, I am not familiar with current standards of facial recognition tech. I didn't know infrared camera tech these days was small enough to fit into a thin phone of iphone size.

Oh trust me you wouldn't be the only person who doesn't know about the tech on offer in MS Surface. Most people don't!

But it's not exclusive MS tech or anything. Yes, Kinect-like infrared can now fit into a laptop webcam and a few manufacturers offer it. I imagine it's going to be in every device in a year or two.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Anybody who thinks facial recognition is better than touch ID is insane.

Touch ID doesn't require you to even pick up your phone to unlock it. Touch ID works in the dark. Touch ID doesn't allow your phone to be unlocked by a photo of you. Touch ID doesn't prevent you from unlocking your phone if your appearance changes, or if you're wearing sunglasses.

 

[BocoDragon]

Anybody who thinks facial recognition is better than touch ID is insane.

Touch ID doesn't require you to even pick up your phone. Touch ID works in the dark. Touch ID doesn't allow your phone to be unlocked by a photo of you. Touch ID doesn't prevent you from unlocking your phone if your appearance changes.

You realize none of these apply to current facial recognition tech, right?

It doesn't require you to pick up your phone, just be as proximate to it as you would need to be to rest your finger on it.

It works in the dark.

It can't be unlocked with a photo of you (a 3D printed mould of your head, maybe).

I suppose you could mess with the facial recognition if you got plastic surgery.... but a new haircut doesn't matter.

 

[whatevermort]

Anybody who thinks facial recognition is better than touch ID is insane.

Touch ID doesn't require you to even pick up your phone to unlock it. Touch ID works in the dark. Touch ID doesn't allow your phone to be unlocked by a photo of you. Touch ID doesn't prevent you from unlocking your phone if your appearance changes, or if you're wearing sunglasses.

Again: you obviously haven't used a Surface Pro. Its incredible. Recognises you with facepaint, with hair changed, with sunglasses or silly faces. It's very impressive, and I'm willing to bet that Apple's solution will be even more so. If they fuck this bit up, it's a major problem for them. They won't fuck it up.

 

[Vuze]

Anybody who thinks facial recognition is better than touch ID is insane.

Touch ID doesn't require you to even pick up your phone to unlock it. Touch ID works in the dark. Touch ID doesn't allow your phone to be unlocked by a photo of you. Touch ID doesn't prevent you from unlocking your phone if your appearance changes.

FaceID supposedly doesn't require you to pick up the phone. Proximity will probably be comparable to what you need to be within to unlock via TouchID.
FaceID will work in the dark.
FaceID won't be a tacked on feature like on the S8 (which you're probably refering to) and will use extra hardware that prevents bs like this from happening (well, a 3D print of your head could probably work I guess but then again, so does a print of your finger with TouchID).
And I'm sure Apple thought about this i.e. the phone learns how you look differnt each day and adapts. Might have to rescan your face if you undergo a massive surgery though.

We'll see how it turns out but this is all so obvious stuff, I doubt the engineers didn't think about it.

 

[Majora]

I suppose you could mess with the facial recognition if you got plastic surgery.... but a new haircut doesn't matter.

What about a beard? That messes with your facial structure quite noticably, no? I'm always going between full beard and stubble, am I going to have to rescan my face all the time so it doesn't get confused or will it be smart enough to deal with this on its own?

 

[Palette Swap]

I don't expect facial recognition to be as widely accepted as a secure method as Touch ID is, so that might be a deal breaker here.

 

[Noisepurge]

Better than passcodes though. I remember thinking those were useless for protecting from proximate people because they'd see you entering it over and over again.

Android has a numpad scrambler. So the person near you would have to see the numbers being pressed, can't be guesses from where you press as it changes every time.

 

[BocoDragon]

What about a beard? That messes with your facial structure quite noticably, no? I'm always going between full beard and stubble, am I going to have to rescan my face all the time so it doesn't get confused or will it be smart enough to deal with this on its own?

I'm not sure, honestly. I think it focuses on things like the distance between your eyes, the position and shape of your nose, etc. and that shouldn't change too much depending on facial hair.

But I'm sure some kind of appearance change could mess with it.

At the end of the day, we're talking about you having to recalibrate in some 1 minute process after you get that nose job or whatever.

 

[Plum]

It doesn't matter what's better between facial and fingerprint recognition.

Because a $1,000 phone should have both.

 

[TVexperto]

Hasn't this been known for months??

Please show me a source

 

[BocoDragon]

Android has a numpad scrambler. So the person near you would have to see the numbers being pressed, can't be guesses from where you press as it changes every time.

That's decent. Or would be 5 years ago before fingerprint readers.