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Iran nuclear scientist 'killed' by car bomb
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Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
Riiiight... "killed."
This gif will come in very handy
Herpes Reasons
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so was supreme. to a degree, yet he offends people while Kurdel gets a pass?
hypocrisy at its finest. i wonder if people in this thread really want those masked men to be israeli to justify further hatred for them.
Fixed for accuracy.
You don't know anything more than anyone else about his role, or lack thereof, in an illegal nuclear weapons program. And yes it is illegal since they signed on to the NPT willingly. Is it fair? Doesn't really matter now.
And yeah, his being Muslim has shit to do with why he is dead.
For the record, I never pushed for him or anyone to be banned.
Wow, the point of my post flew right over your head, didn't it?
Let me explain:
Fact: Random motorcyclists carbomb a dude and shoot him up.
Theory: Must be Israeli agents.
How can one come to such a conclusion? Unless they were dressed like that picture, it could be anybody. By posting the picture, I was pointing out how ridiculous the premise of recognizing peoples nationality or political alignment when there is nothing that makes it apparent, unless they were wearing some kind of bad ass Mossad star of david spy gear.
Maybe hyperbole and sarcasm does not have it's place in such a serious thread. But I hope it helped some people how absurd this story is.
ClovingWestbrook
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I'm sure some do just like many want every person who ignites a bomb wants it to be by a Muslim. There are idiots and bigots on both sides of the aisle, its just unfortunate to see it happen here on GAF.
empty vessel
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Except you don't have any evidence he ever worked on a bomb, do you? So what prejudice is it, exactly, that makes you presume this?
VindicatorZ
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This is some Splinter Cell shit right here
ClovingWestbrook
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Ahh, my apologies, I mistook you for the others. Sorry about that.
Seraphinianus
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I'm jewish and I lol'ed at the pic.
because it wasn't racist, it was a joke. people are saying the U.S. or Israel did it, the pic is just a play on that. sheesh.
ClovingWestbrook
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But thats my point and I believe Kado..errr Basketball Reasons.
There are pictures, statements, etc. that are posted on GAF that offend some while not others. People shouldn't be pushing for bans of the poster in question just because an image is offensive to the individual. Don't like it? Fine. Trying to censor? GTFO. Let a mod decide that.
Wooooowwwww.
Okay let me tackle this step by step.
1. In this post alone, you criticise someone for not having all the facts, than you make an observation (that Iran is running an illegal weapons creation program) that not only is baseless, but has more evidence pointing to the contrary than not.
2. In your original post, you make a pretty strained joke about virgins and martyrdom - which, I can imagine is offensive to Muslims, but I think it's probably more offensive to people who like jokes.
3. Celebrating the death of someone who for all we know, is an innocent scientist, is in such poor taste that I don't know quite what to say.
Seraphinianus
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ah, maybe i'm misreading all this. i'm jet lagged to hell and have been up since 4am, reading the internet for most of the time i've been awake. lol
Herpes Reasons
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sure its racism.
car bomb in iran? must be jewish!
how is that not racism or a vague veil of anti-semitism?
and you shouldn't be joking, an innocent intelligent scientist died.
no jokes should be made at his expense.
The same can be said about the evidence pointing to it being an assassination by Israel or the US. But nobody is making a big deal about that... weird how that works.
I guess people have prejudices which lead them to believe that scenario?
Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
Middle East topic of conversations never end well, doesn't matter whether you're at the North Pole, Vegas or Mars; it doesn't end well
Why?
Noting that Israel is hostile toward Iran over the latter's presumed nuclear weapons program (among many other things) is not racism or anti-semitism.
I am sorry, but it was not racist. If you read my posts in this thread, you would have understood that.
Sho_Nuff82
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So I gather that you believe that everyone in Iran's nuclear program deserves death?
Wait, what? Do you disagree that a bomb targeting an Iranian nuclear scientist most likely had something to do with Mossad?
Uhm - Car bomb in Iran, must be mossad =/= Car bomb in Iran, must be Jewish.
This screeeeaaaams of "don't criticise or cast doubt on Israel unless you want to be labelled as an anti-semite".
Maybe it was some Atheist-Israeli's, who knows.
Someone called me racist in this thread. I demand an apology. I did not offend any race whatsoever.
However, I apparently did offend the memory of an innocent scientist who, presumably, only worked on peaceful nuclear programs. And for that I am sorry.
May his defenders on GAF have mercy on me. I obviously did not know him as well as you and did not mean to soil the memories you have of him.
Flying Toaster
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And there will always be a motorcycle riding, bomb running, secret agent there to take care of the situation.
Herpes Reasons
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well duh. but insinuating that the masked men were jewish IS.
or you know, the iranian regime at work.
but in your logic, it has to be the israelis?
FreeMufasa
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Damn, so much shit slinging in this thread.
Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
I think (he can correct me if I'm wrong) his point is that he reserves the right to be suspicious, and thus cynical, of those working (or suspected of) on a nuclear weapons program for a state that has not signed the NPT, states like Iran, India, Pakistan and Israel.
I'm sorry, at what point did I actually make any claims about who I thought was behind this? I was simply pointing out SUPREME1's absolutely embarrassing use of, what he probably thinks is, argumentative skill. And then I went after you. Simple as that.
ClovingWestbrook
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Who is being cast as anti in this chat? Supreme as being anti-Muslim. Again, Kado is pointing out that its hypocritical to state that matter of fact it was done by the Israeli government when we don't have evidence while others are having problems with Supreme calling out the scientist for working on a nuclear weapon program when it isn't 100% fact.
Harry Dresden
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Unrelated to this exact incident but relevant to the meta-topic.
The view that people other than soldiers shouldn't be the target of the military in some circumstances is a bit naive.
The view that people other than soldiers shouldn't be the target of the military in some circumstances is a bit naive.
Real world politics isn't a game that is played by the rules. If this is what it takes to stop Iran from developing their own nuclear weapons, I'm all for it.
"reportedly innocent", sure. Because the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing only works for us 'Mericuns.
Moundir&Tony>you
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Except Iran can't really afford to kill its scientists. They usually only do that after they've been accused of treason.
Hit the nail on the head, except for the part about Iran not being a signatory to the NPT:
wiki said:
Hey, I haven't read every post to the fullest detail, and people jumping on SUPREME and assuming he was anti-Muslim might be taking some liberties.
I don't know what Kado said, but I agree with him if what you say he said is accurate.
Supreme didn't call anyone out, his first post was him leaping to his own assumptions, completely baseless, mixed in with his horrible, and I am assuming offensive humour - and now he is calling people hypocritical in the SAME posts where he parades his hypocrisy - which I found awesome.
And the person I actually quoted - was saying that anyone who pointed at the possibility of it being Mossad was being anti-semitic.
He was american. Not jewish. And his family was from iran. Wat
ClovingWestbrook
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Perhaps not Anti-Semitic but definitely Anti-Israeli which in this day in age, unfortunately, is synonymous with Judaism. Shoot, being Jewish, I've been called Anti-Semiti by a few (not on here) for calling out Israel. Its unfortunate.
Who's we, kemosabe? Sorry but you can't blame the US for this. No one can. Iran can, but they've already demonstrated an ability to leap to conclusions. It's just as possible that their enemies in Israel, or Saudi Arabia, or even local Iranian rebels could have done it. "America" isn't going to accept the blame for this one, so there's no we.
(Also our forces have been killing innocent civilians for the last 10 years, where ya been? I'd be pretty terrified by 'smallish' US aircraft flying overhead if I was out standing in Afghanistan somewhere. Worst rescue ever.)
Well, he used the phrase "anti-semitic" - so I assume HE meant anti-Jewish and not anti-Israel. Moreover, from this post I think you would agree that anyone insinuating that criticism or suspicion of Israel equates to hatred of Jewish people, should be condemned. Which is exactly what I was doing.
ClovingWestbrook
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Yea, I'd agree with that.
Herpes Reasons
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i can't argue with this.
Sho_Nuff82
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You said, "live by the bomb, die by the bomb."
You then clarified the quote (after everyone jumped down your throat about it being racist), saying you meant it was ironic that a man working on an illegal nuclear weapons program was killed in a bombing explosion.
SUPREME1 said:
Or as steam put it,
ClovingSteam said:
So unless we're not speaking the same language, you're saying it's okay he's dead because he was working on Iran's nuclear program. So I ask, "do you think everyone working on Iran's nuclear program deserves to die?" It's a yes or no question, even if it's "yes, if...", or "no, but...".
My apologies for using "we" to refer to Americans, when I should have used the more general "Western powers/Saudi Arabia/Israel" as we really have no way of knowing who is responsible for the attack, only who is the most likely culprit. My disgust is only hypothetical.
The Lamonster
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This makes me think of that scene in Scarface when they plant the car bomb.
DiscoJer
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The CIA tried for years to assassinate Fidel Castro.
They couldn't find Bin Laden. (Though they did leave a trail of drone strikes all over the place for the last 10 years. If this had been a drone strike, then sure, the CIA is believable.)
They didn't know the N. Korean had died until they read it in the news.
I would actually guess the Russians. They've been playing a double game with Iran.
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