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Is 2008 a "make or break" year for Sony?
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GauntletFan
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NeoUltima said:
Actually, another console would be based on shareholders decisions.
Sorry I meant it should be in the Wii's position , nobody expected the Wii to do this well....
In reality the PS3 should have sold like gangbusters initially to the early adopters, they had nothing to justify the sick price. They did just about everything they could have possibly done wrong. They are making amends now, but a third place finish is almost certain.
2008 will certainly sell more PS3's with the nice lineup that is coming and we all benefit as the 2 "bottom feeders" will throw everything they have at us to carve out a little more market share. The Wii is in a category all by itself.
Competition is good :lol
Nintendo has never ever posted a loss. SCEI posted the biggest fiscal year loss in videogame history (bigger than the worst year of the Xbox) in 2007, and 2008 is so far looking to beat that record.Guybrush Threepwood said:
SCEI financial results from PS2 release through September 30 2007:ForzaItalia said:
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FY Result
2001 -409,000,000
2002 623,000,000
2003 939,000,000
2004 650,000,000
2005 404,000,000
2006 75,000,00
2007 -1,969,000,000
2008 -1,078,000,000 (Q1+Q2 only)
Totals -765,000,000Fortunately for Sony, their other divisions are doing well right now so as long as they're fine with supporting a money-eating gaming division they'll be able to stay in the business.
MGS is a level below GTA, Halo, Mario and FF saleswise, but God of War is a level below MGS.Philthy said:
Since I don't expect PS3 to grab more than 1/3 of market share eventually, no I don't think this is the make or break year for them. 2008, however, its the make or break year for their first party games.
Sales wise anyway. If Sony's 1st party games (excluding GT5) don't sell, Phil Harrison is in trouble. And it will be a shame. Sony has been giving more creative freedom to its 1st party studio than MS and Nintendo.
BTW I don't agree the notion that Sony Playstation need to beat Nintendo. Sony is competing with MS in a race to win the digital living room. People who own Wii or DS will still need a media center, and its going to be either the Sony solution or the MS solution. You don't need a PS3 for the Sony solution, you just need to use Sony gear to wire the house with their (uPnP etc) standards.
Sales wise anyway. If Sony's 1st party games (excluding GT5) don't sell, Phil Harrison is in trouble. And it will be a shame. Sony has been giving more creative freedom to its 1st party studio than MS and Nintendo.
BTW I don't agree the notion that Sony Playstation need to beat Nintendo. Sony is competing with MS in a race to win the digital living room. People who own Wii or DS will still need a media center, and its going to be either the Sony solution or the MS solution. You don't need a PS3 for the Sony solution, you just need to use Sony gear to wire the house with their (uPnP etc) standards.
Metalmurphy
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Jokeropia said:
So do you have that in notepad and just copy paste it?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9108174&postcount=507
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9136890&postcount=962
ZeroTolerance
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Metalmurphy said:
It would seem so.
But to answer the OP's question, No, they did that last year, what they need to do this year is to try and send the playstation name even further to the masses . They also need advertise the freaking thing properly.
that is an impossible scenario for the following reason; even if the worst case happened and PS3 turned into a Dreamcast or even worse, that will imply on PS3 and not the PS family as a whole or its future. sure, success and failure have their effects on future planning, but Sony as an entity and force can take a Dreamcast hit and keep going. even if they laid off a bit, they will come back. it's what they do. Sony is a high-tech consumer company. this is their business.mr stroke said:
having said that, whatever the future may hold, I don't think any company is as stupid as to repeat the little faults they did with PS3 and to a lesser extent, with PSP- though PSN's development worries me.
there is only up hill to go from here.
CrushDance
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You are the kidding?GauntletFan said:
This is what I mean. Sony coming in 99th place wouldn't matter because just like Nintendo, the brand is very strong and there is a lot of money that can be made off it. One canyon in the road doesn't mean you can't grapple to the other side eventually.
Nintendo was crying in the N64+GC era. And now they're kicking ass like nobodies business. Change is a part of nature, it is wired in our core and our societies reflect that. Especially in this business? You can lose overnight.
CrushDance said:You are the kidding?
This is what I mean. Sony coming in 99th place wouldn't matter because just like Nintendo, the brand is very strong and there is a lot of money that can be made off it. One canyon in the road doesn't mean you can't grapple to the other side eventually.
Nintendo was crying in the N64+GC era. And now they're kicking ass like nobodies business. Change is a part of nature, it is wired in our core and our societies reflect that. Especially in this business? You can lose overnight.
Dont steal Kittowny's schtick.
CrushDance
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I've been using this for a long ass time! And only when making sarcastic/joke comments.Mojovonio said:
Anyway. 2008 is "the year" for one simple reason. Games. Last year it could be argued that there really wasn't much out there for the system, but now? Even if some titles slip to 2009...there's a lot of high quality stuff left.
Flakster99
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davepoobond said:
You know, that is the smartest thing said in the thread. 8p
Segata Sanshiro
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I think they had their make or break year last year. The software "maked" a lot of money, the hardware just "breaked".fanduck said:
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Well, I'm definitely enjoying this thread. Lots of mini-meltdowns. Anyway, a couple points:
I think a lot of you need to give up on the dream that the PS3 is going to suddenly blast through the stratosphere and follow in the PS2's legacy. It's probably not going to happen. I know it's hard after getting used to being the undisputed champion for so long, but you have to let go.
The first year is always the "make or break" year for a console. I can't think of any example where a console sold either really well or really poorly the first year, then suddenly had its fortunes reversed the next. The best example I can think of is the DS, but that was because of software that opened it up to a whole new market, which leads me to point 2:Ashhong said:
None of these games will do anything more than a temporary bump in sales. That's just how sequels work. It's the same reason a new Mario or Zelda doesn't push Nintendo's hardware anymore. It's the games that come out of nowhere that are the real system sellers. Stuff like GTAIII, Halo, Brain Age, Wii Sports. Fresh software that draws new audiences in, that's what pushes hardware. Unless it's a sequel that completely redefines a franchise (FFVII, GTAIII), and even then, it doesn't always help (OoT, RE4). Also, you don't get to say KZ2 is a system seller before it's out, especially after you should have learned your lesson with the first game.KingJ2002 said:
I think a lot of you need to give up on the dream that the PS3 is going to suddenly blast through the stratosphere and follow in the PS2's legacy. It's probably not going to happen. I know it's hard after getting used to being the undisputed champion for so long, but you have to let go.
CrushDance
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/Thread.Lagaff said:
Even the Wii and 360 need to keep games and services coming in order to continue with sales and increase market share. Every year is a trial for every system.
Perhaps it's not a make it or break it year for Sony but I dont think they are going to rebound in 2008 either. For those saying that their AAA games are going to push the console; I dont see. Most of the gamers that the oncoming games cater to are already in the 360 camp. While i think that MGS4 will be an awesome game; if memory serves me correct aside from MGS the series has never pushed consoles. Most of the other games are niche and the biggest system seller of them all is also going to be on the 360.
All hope is already lost in Japan, it seems over there they populus picks a console and just runs with it. Regardless of what happens i doubt Sony will go into the next generation with the same gmeplan they had in this one. I know people hate to hear it but i believe that both the next xbox and Playstation will mimick Nintendos idea with the Wii.
All hope is already lost in Japan, it seems over there they populus picks a console and just runs with it. Regardless of what happens i doubt Sony will go into the next generation with the same gmeplan they had in this one. I know people hate to hear it but i believe that both the next xbox and Playstation will mimick Nintendos idea with the Wii.
Metalmurphy
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theBishop said:
Some people think AAA means 90%+ on review scores....
topsyturvy
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Word of advice to fans of last place consoles, stop making delusional threads.
Kitschkraft
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*American perspective, can't speak on anywhere else*
To quote something I actually read here before, I believe that Sony's biggest problem right now seems to be the stench of failure surrounding it....Wii is THAT SYSTEM to have right now, the 360 has found a solid, loyal bigger then niche market in young to middle ages males...and Sony is just that oddball out.
I just personally find it very hard to imagine that people are going to be buying PS3's next year, and just being excited about them, the same way that people were with the Wii or even 360 this year....it just doesn't have "it" right now.
To quote something I actually read here before, I believe that Sony's biggest problem right now seems to be the stench of failure surrounding it....Wii is THAT SYSTEM to have right now, the 360 has found a solid, loyal bigger then niche market in young to middle ages males...and Sony is just that oddball out.
I just personally find it very hard to imagine that people are going to be buying PS3's next year, and just being excited about them, the same way that people were with the Wii or even 360 this year....it just doesn't have "it" right now.
Yes but Sony needs to work damn hard this year in order to make a mark... i will say that it wont get terribly bad because of the Blu-ray player. That thing is the systems saving grace if things go downhill. The system wont go to Dreamcast or gamecube levels because of it. No matter what anyone says Blu-ray combined with the PS3 was a key component to the PS3 and to the Blu-ray format itself.CrushDance said:
DangerStepp
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Any bets on whether we'll see similar threads this time next year? "Is 2009 is Sony's Year?"
Kitschkraft
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Jirotrom said:
I don't see how they're gonna get it either.
Honestly, I think that some people are overrating the power of MGS.....I do not believe that that fanbase is as prominent as it was in the past. I may be proven wrong, whatever, but Sony fans are acting like this and (LOL) Little Big Planet are gonna be some shut down the industry type shit, and I personally just don't see it happening. I'd actually expect GT5 to be bigger then both of these. If I was Sony though, I'd place as much emphasis on KZ2 as possible, KZ1 be damned, they NEED this to be the "Halo killer" that fans think it will be.
I find it weird that people think LBP will be a system seller. MGS4 is a possibility because its been hyped more than the previous entries and many people see it as Sony's hope. Imo FF XIII is the game the PS3 needed or even a remake of VII. That teaser vid of VII at E3 way back had people so excited and hype and I know quite a few people including myself that would have dropped 600 if not more day one if that game was a launch game.Liara T'Soni said:
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shpankey
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I hope they can turn it around, but at the same time, I am glad they have had to swallow some pride, much like Nintendo had to back in the day and are now a better company for it.
MGS4 and one more price drop is all I'm awaiting until I'm in the PS3 game.
But to answer your question, I definitely think this will be a year where Sony can gain some momentum and gain some ground back. Though I still think they'll be in 3rd all the way through this generation.
MGS4 and one more price drop is all I'm awaiting until I'm in the PS3 game.
But to answer your question, I definitely think this will be a year where Sony can gain some momentum and gain some ground back. Though I still think they'll be in 3rd all the way through this generation.
Phife Dawg
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Not that old next-gen shit all three consoles are the same gen and it's current anyway. Why not refer to it as being the more viable HD plattform?theBishop said:
Plus Dynasty Warriors, price drop, a new and cheaper model with a new colour and the (re)introduction of rumble put PS3 above Wii. MGS 4 will not do a whole lot for PS3. The only guaranteed massive games are GT5 and FF13.
It's hyperbole, but most big games for 360 see a release for PC as well. Either being multi-plat from the beginning (CoD etc.) or getting ported later on (GoW, VP). If you have a gaming PC and a PS3 you don't really need a 360 to play most games (sans Nintendo of course).krypt0nian said:
Didn't Nintendo once posted a net loss in one quarter? I'm pretty sure they did.Jokeropia said:
Really? I'll be getting a PS3, but for the games. There are better solutions for a media center than either PS3 or 360.tino said:
Wii is in another race altogether.jett said:
Well what else would AAA be? Otherwise it could just be AA or A, no?Metalmurphy said:
There is no way Sony will be able to get out of the number 3 slot this generation unless either the Wii or 360 somehow manage to lose their steam, which doesn't seem likely.
That said, I think the PS3 is going to come into its own this year, and I think it already has to a degree. I've had one since June but I didn't touch the thing for months. These days I'm on the thing daily, it's actually a really great piece of hardware and I'm happy I own one.
That said, I think the PS3 is going to come into its own this year, and I think it already has to a degree. I've had one since June but I didn't touch the thing for months. These days I'm on the thing daily, it's actually a really great piece of hardware and I'm happy I own one.
Metalmurphy
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A Triple A title has got nothing to do with reviews... LAIR is a Triple A title that bombed in reviews.Phife Dawg said:
Segata Sanshiro
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There are a couple of ways the phrase "AAA game" could be interpreted, and a high quality (ie high reviewed) game would be one of them. Another is what you're getting at, where "AAA game" means something that had a lot of money, time, and energy sunk into it. Still another would be "AAA game" meaning a game that sells very well.Metalmurphy said:
LAIR is one of these, and definitely not the other two.
seattle6418
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jman2050 said:
about time somebody mentions this. i don't get either, if we're talking about overall sales and not hardcore-gaf-members sales
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