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Is 3DS > Switch the largest generational graphics power leap?
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Interfectum
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The Switch will be whatever can be spun as a positive for it.
Underpowered? "Hey it's a handheld, can't compare to PS4"
System sales? "You can't count 3DS, that's a handheld. What's important is it's destroying Wii U's first year."
Underpowered? "Hey it's a handheld, can't compare to PS4"
System sales? "You can't count 3DS, that's a handheld. What's important is it's destroying Wii U's first year."
Kamina
Golden Boy
By Nintendo's definition too
As I said, it is what you consider it to be.
If you are using it as handheld mostly, then it is a handheld, absolutely.
Do you not understand the difference between Vita or WiiU Gamepad remote play and Switch?
LordRaptor
Member
Anything that the term "battery life" is being applied to is inherently a portable device
Majmun
Member
Yeah, we're going to see this a lot lol
fredrancour
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Right now, they're not really making the thing look like a true hybrid. currently, the games they're selling and the switch presentation make the switch look like "Wiiu 2: the gamepad is portable this time."
if Pokemon Stars is a real switch exclusive, and normally-handheld series become switch exclusive or cross-platform starting this fall or in 2018, then yeah that'd be a crazy huge generation-over-generation jump. But for the time being, they're getting all the negatives of selling a hybrid without the positive of centralized software production.
if Pokemon Stars is a real switch exclusive, and normally-handheld series become switch exclusive or cross-platform starting this fall or in 2018, then yeah that'd be a crazy huge generation-over-generation jump. But for the time being, they're getting all the negatives of selling a hybrid without the positive of centralized software production.
killatopak
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I find your statement just as ridiculous as mine.
it's both. not sure why some are clinging so hard to Nintendo's marketing in the west as the end all be all of what the device can offer. we've all got eyeballs and brains. if it looks like a handheld, plays like a handheld, smells like a handheld, etc.
what about mine? ;p
VendettaRed07
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Switch is different though because it doesn't just connect to the TV, it has the ability to "power up", when it isn't running off of it's internal battery. So it's different than like, the PSP or whatever when you could plug that into a TV with component cables. Plugging it into a charger and making it more stationary didn't boost the systems power.
Interfectum
Gold Member
It looks like a Wii U successor to me. The Wii U tablet taken to the next logical step. Wii U ports. Wii U power. Wii U discontinued. 3DS still actively supported.
JimboJones
Member
Well at the very least some games are running in higher resolutions than their WiiU counterparts 900p for Zelda, 1080p for Mario Kart.
Wii made anamorphic wide screen and 480p more common thats about it.
GinoFelino
Member
So now Switch is not a handheld to better suit people's negative narratives? Good grief.
it's both
LordRaptor
Member
The PSP actually had a secret bonus screen brightness only available when connected to the mains, but I know what you're saying.
Barrel Cannon
Member
I view it more as a handheld, so yes
Vital Tundra
Member
Eh, SNES to N64 is much bigger as it gave the capability of real 3D graphics.
Switch it's a hybrid concept but there is no denying it is (can be played as) a handheld device.
Your example of remote play is silly in this case because the processing unit is in the device you can bring with you.
It's not hard to understand.
If it is a successor of what it's debatable (I think there will be a Switch family of many kind of devices with different sizes down the road).
I agree it can be used as both.
Which mean it is also a handheld by definition.
I understand that, what I'm saying is the Switch should be classified as a handheld while in handheld mode, and console while in docked mode. It's obviously a really good handheld in terms of graphics. Not sure why people are dismissing its also a handheld. It's console capabilities though are kind of lacking. Some people are tossing around hybrid as if it's not also a handheld.
Nintendo didn't market DS as GBA's successor initially.
Is there anything corroborate this?
The Switch is the market followup to Wii U. That's why Wii U is getting exactly one more first party game ever, and 3DS is still having new games announced.
Clearly this could still play out as a "third pillar" situation where 3DS gets dropped like a bad habit if Switch takes off, but as a primarily handheld gamer my Switch is not replacing my 3DS and won't do so unless they intentionally ax 3DS and start putting handheld games on Switch (which so far has a very console-centric lineup.)
Clearly this could still play out as a "third pillar" situation where 3DS gets dropped like a bad habit if Switch takes off, but as a primarily handheld gamer my Switch is not replacing my 3DS and won't do so unless they intentionally ax 3DS and start putting handheld games on Switch (which so far has a very console-centric lineup.)
LordRaptor
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I think we're all well aware of why some people are dismissing it as a handheld.
Sora the Cat
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How can you not? it is a handheld by definition and also one of the best in the market.
Why would having the ability to connect it to the TV make it less of a handheld?
I've never once called it just a console to be fair. At least as far as I can remember.
Kssio_Aug
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Well, by now Switch is a "hybrid" whatever it means when it comes to Nintendo handheld market. But we can't say for sure that this is their handheld console, can we?
When people start to drop 3DS to buy a Switch, and when Switch starts selling Pokemon Stars as well as Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing and other popular 3DS titles, than I will say that this is Nintendo's true handheld successor.
Right now I kinda have a feeling that Nintendo is gonna experiment first. If 3DS players starts to adopt Switch as their new hanheld I can see Nintendo trully investing on it as such, otherwise I believe they're gonna announce something else later.
eso76
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...or is Wii U -> Switch the smallest
But it's a handheld, all the hardware required to run games is in the portable unit, so technically it's a handheld, regardless of the way it's being marketed.
Regardless, Switch is not the successor to the 3DS. Different launch price, different segment etc. so the argument is rather pointless.
But it's a handheld, all the hardware required to run games is in the portable unit, so technically it's a handheld, regardless of the way it's being marketed.
Regardless, Switch is not the successor to the 3DS. Different launch price, different segment etc. so the argument is rather pointless.
clevbrowns94
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It's a hybrid that replaces the Wii U and 3DS. Sorry if you don't like the facts, but don't make up your own.
And if it's not a successor to the 3DS, what kind of successor are you expecting? One where you can't dock to the TV? Who would want that now that you have a switch? Maybe you are thinking they will release a handheld with better specs than the Switch, so that would be the difference. Just imagine how much that would cost.
And if it's not a successor to the 3DS, what kind of successor are you expecting? One where you can't dock to the TV? Who would want that now that you have a switch? Maybe you are thinking they will release a handheld with better specs than the Switch, so that would be the difference. Just imagine how much that would cost.
If we're basing it on Nintendo marketing sure. If we're basing it just on the hardware themselves then it isn't really cheating to compare one portable Nintendo console to another portable Nintendo console. The OP even made the distinction between portable and docked mode.
it's the market follow up to both, that's why the Switch is getting games that would normally appear on 3DS, games that would normally appear on Wii U, and games that would normally appear on both. it's also getting some cross-gen games with 3DS.
also of course the Wii U isn't getting anymore games and of course the 3DS is. that doesn't factor into the equation at all except to illustrate that the Wii U bombed hard and the 3DS is still viable.
JimboJones
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Do people actually think Nintendo are gonna make another DS successor if switch is successful?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
No.
The guts aren't in the dock, they're in the device that you can hold in your hands and play anywhere.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Dreamcast felt like an immediate leap. Not just against the saturn but everything out at the time in general.
UncleSporky
Member
Yeah, you get to utter some statements about it that are pretty mindblowing:
"Nintendo, following in the footsteps of Triforce Heroes, releases their next handheld Zelda game called Breath of the Wild..."
"Nintendo, following in the footsteps of Triforce Heroes, releases their next handheld Zelda game called Breath of the Wild..."
Mihos
Gold Member
Funny, message board arguments will become like a 'choose your own adventure books'
It is going to be hard to determine which goal posts we are moving.
To me, it's a shield tablet with Mario.
If it was handheld only it wouldn't be any stronger. Just a dockless Switch.
So yeah, the jump counts.
Now if you count it from Wii U to Switch, is one of the smallest.
The year 3DS came out, DS got a new Pokémon game, a new Kirby game, 2 Dragon Quest games, a Professor Layton game (it was still big then), Okamiden, and a bunch of other stuff.
VendettaRed07
Member
Well, the first point they would be right. I mean I don't know how their is any getting around that.
Second they would be wrong. Shouldn't really matter; considering how Nintendo is consolidating both their divisions now onto one platform it absolutely should aim to match 3DS sales wise at least. "Destroying" WiiU sales isn't going to be good enough to be much of a positive
The Omega Man
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But it is marketing the Swtich as a Wii U successor.
GinoFelino
Member
The home console thing is just Nintendo giving themselves an easy out in case it doesn't work out.
It plays full-fat games up to 6.5 hours on the go. It's a (hybrid) handheld, and OP's point stands. There's no way it wouldn't be more powerful if it was just a home console.
clevbrowns94
Member
Exactly. Having more games coming out on the 3DS doesn't mean it's not a successor. People here are spinning any way they can and trying to create their own criteria of what a successor is.
Yes, yes it is, although docked performance should be only mentioned as a side note since its mainly used to enhance the TV display feature.
There are going to be a lot of messages running the "but even Nintendo says it's a console" whithout aknowledging that it's main feature is it's portability or that Nintendo messaging is trying to avoid direct comparison with 3ds for the time being (which may very well be a mistake but makes financial sense in the short term).
Hyperbole times...
There are going to be a lot of messages running the "but even Nintendo says it's a console" whithout aknowledging that it's main feature is it's portability or that Nintendo messaging is trying to avoid direct comparison with 3ds for the time being (which may very well be a mistake but makes financial sense in the short term).
Hyperbole times...
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