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[LMJ]

This forum was the Agora for gaming discussion.
Now it's a nest of shit posting.

Is this because the forum is no longer having deep discussion (hint it is)

Or...more likely because like so many others on here topics that you find offensive are being discussed as well?

If you want an echo chamber, there are better forums out there REadily available ; )

 

[hyperbertha]

Is this because the forum is no longer having deep discussion (hint it is)

Or...more likely because like so many others on here topics that you find offensive are being discussed as well?

If you want an echo chamber, there are better forums out there REadily available ; )

She/he's just butthurt over half of the forum considering Aloy a badly written character. This thread has been illuminating and my impression of gaf has only improved. I just don't have time to debate with some thoughtful responses at this moment.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

Is she a Mary Sue? Sure.

Are a lot of videogame protagonists a Mary Sue/Gary Stu? Yes.

 

[LegendOfKage]

In her trial at the beginning, someone cheats and forces her to take a great risk that no one else is willing to take. Her getting a focus (and other technology) requires her to fight against authority and the values of her society in order to be her own person and make her own decisions in life. I would disagree that her actions don't suggest that she earned these things.

She surmounted a path that nobody before has managed to complete because..... she is just better.
She got the focus for free by coincidence from what I remember. That by itself is okay, but it becomes so crucial in the story and central to her advancing the social ranks, including being the only reason she gets Sylens'es help afaik.
And the moment she is anointed a seeker its like her past didn't exist. Everything is forgiven, and she has no issues despite how she was treated her whole life. No human will grow past that the way Aloy does. A great opportunity to explore forgiveness wasted.
The whole story is simply Aloy going through motions and winning stuff, owing to being the chosen one, among other things, without having to learn anything. She didn't learn anything thanks to Rost's death. Its never seen as her fault that he died. He just dies because Helis killed him. It doesn't even affect her or is truly brought up after he dies.

The most mary sue quality I can think of is being good at many different things without the story properly explaining why. If we went with your definition, you could make the argument that the mary sue distinction could also be placed upon Spider-man, Superman, Batman, Iron Man, etc. They all either lucked into their powers or were able to pay for their abilities by being born rich. And especially in a video game where the entire point is to win, they would all suffer no real failures either.

Some of the rest of what you describe above strikes me as more of an issue with where the story goes and how it deals with certain topics, rather than any traditional definition of a mary sue. I guess we just disagree, and that's okay.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Not with those jowls.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

A Mary-Soooeeeyyy.

*prays that joke hasn't been made yet*

 

[GetemMa]

The Mary Sue argument is one of the weakest in Media criticism considering 95% of all action protagonists have all the characteristics of the much feared "mary sue."

 

[Liam8]

I lost brain cells reading this thread

 

[roosnam1980]

 

[LegendOfKage]

The Mary Sue argument is one of the weakest in Media criticism considering 95% of all action protagonists have all the characteristics of the much feared "mary sue."

I think while it certainly can be misapplied, it's really more a criticism (originated by a woman, btw) of overly perfect characters who are generally boring and feel like pandering because they're so flawless. I don't think Aloy falls into that category, but I also do feel that sometimes the term fits the criticism.

 

[nowhat]

Also it's a videogame with a single protagonist, nobody want to hunt dinobot and assaulting camps with the constant help of 50 guys.

Actually... I've been thinking about this since completing HZD. While GG originally experimented with two-player co-op, they scrapped the idea after it become evident it couldn't be possible with the visual fidelity they were aiming for. And for the better IMHO, I couldn't see two players working especially with some of the story bits.

But you know what could be incredible? Taking down a Horus (a "Metal Devil") and support bots, in a PvE mode with enough players. Some 50 guys, sounds good to me? Regardless of whether Aloy is a "Mary Sue" (personally I don't think so), there are limits to video game protagonists and suspension of disbelief. No way could she, or anyone else, defeat a Horus themselves. But a large enough group - it would be still very much a stretch for them to win (practically impossible if we're being honest), but still more believable. More importantly, it could be epic. I'm not that much into multiplayer, but that's something I'd definitely try to get into.

Not that we're getting anything like that, it would probably have been revealed at the demo. But still, at least yours truly would like to hunt A FUCKING MOUNTAIN OF A BOT with 50 other people. The camps though, agreed.

 

[Putonahappyface]

That's because men and women are not the same.

Bigotry will not be tolerated.

 

[GymWolf]

Actually... I've been thinking about this since completing HZD. While GG originally experimented with two-player co-op, they scrapped the idea after it become evident it couldn't be possible with the visual fidelity they were aiming for. And for the better IMHO, I couldn't see two players working especially with some of the story bits.

But you know what could be incredible? Taking down a Horus (a "Metal Devil") and support bots, in a PvE mode with enough players. Some 50 guys, sounds good to me? Regardless of whether Aloy is a "Mary Sue" (personally I don't think so), there are limits to video game protagonists and suspension of disbelief. No way could she, or anyone else, defeat a Horus themselves. But a large enough group - it would be still very much a stretch for them to win (practically impossible if we're being honest), but still more believable. More importantly, it could be epic. I'm not that much into multiplayer, but that's something I'd definitely try to get into.

Not that we're getting anything like that, it would probably have been revealed at the demo. But still, at least yours truly would like to hunt A FUCKING MOUNTAIN OF A BOT with 50 other people. The camps though, agreed.

Oh yeah, massive battles with an army are great for some setpieces.

The first one had the final battle similar to that but in relatively small scale, it's not like she wasn't protecting an entire city alone...


I think we can forget a massive battle against an horus and other 50 people and dinos on screen until horizon 3, the jaguar cpu inside ps4 really doesn't cut anymore, and even if they manage to pull off something similar, it's never gonna be at his maximum potential.

 

[Vaelka]

Probably the number one reason I'm not interested in Horizon. The main character takes up such a big room but fills it with nothing.

Honestly this is my main reason for not being interested in HZD too.
The gameplay doesn't look special or good enough either for me to get over it, if it was more unique then maybe I'd be more interested.
But considering how tired I am of open world games too the protagonist means a lot more, for example I didn't really like Sekiro ( the main character ) from a design standpoint and I also kinda don't even like him after playing the game either.
But it was a Souls game, so it was easy to get over even if I wish he was something else.
HZD doesn't have that.

I don't hate her or anything, but there's nothing about her that makes her appealing to me at all.
Even just something like her using a bow is really tropey and generic too, it's like ofc she uses a bow because that's just what female characters do apparently.

The funny thing with her appearance in the second game too is that my main issue really is her neck being so huge it looks out of proportion with her body which actually draws more attention to how skinny she is.
For all of this '' strong female character '' narrative she is still skinny as hell.
If they were going to make her neck so massive then it'd just be another reason to make her buff as hell. Even tho I am not a fan of super buff characters I'd actually like it more.


I don't like the TLOU games either but I can at least respect that with Abby somewhat.
Even tho it makes zero logical sense, I think it's stupid how '' realistic '' games still have so many men in them that look like bodybuilders especially in an apocalypse/ post apocalypse.
But I can at least respect it with Abby being different, they didn't just give her a frumpy face but keep her skinny and call it a day. They went all the way at least.

 

[cormack12]

so honest question: what other forum offers better? i mean, won't there always be s-posting in any forum, does that take away from some of the great posting that occurs here? just asking.

Just ignore and report him, guy needs a new bobblehead to hug. Guy says this:

This forum was the Agora for gaming discussion.
Now it's a nest of shit posting.

Then posts this:

Clearly this is what we should aspire to be. But then maybe he's just a crying bitch repeating the same shit that no one cares about:

Maybe we're beig too harsh, let's look back to what this guy used to contribute back in the day:

Study: Obese men and women have <1% chance of attaining a normal weight (mod edit OP)

There's the truth, and there's what we would like to be true. This is the arena probably more than anywhere else where the latter interferes with people's ability to see the former. At the end of the day, only you decide if you eat, workout, or change your habits.

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Hmm, starting to get a picture here, maybe some really deep thoughtful posts from this guy will give us a better picture to what he used to post

Hatsune Miku Project DIVA X for Vita/PS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=97&v=G-pCNNbMCgA March 2016 for Vita, Fall 2016 for PS4 in Japan http://miku.sega.jp/x/gaiyo.html Theme song by ryo(supercell) Producer list: 40mP, cosMo@Bousou-P, DECO*27, DIVELA／Osamu, Giga-P, Heavenz, Hachi, Hachioji-P, Hitoshizuku-P x Yama...

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PlayStation Network Thread | September 2015

Is it really that bad? I mean, i saw the first few Minutes in a Video that a friend showed me, and i didn't think it was that bad but then again, i have always a very low expectation for Voice acting in Games >.> Eh, it's also that the rest of the series ony has english voice acting, so the...

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Best racer this gen?

The Crew. Now before you start bashing me for even liking this game, let me explain. I am not a fan of racing games, at all. I haven't played any since need for speed started going sour a lot of years ago. Whenever I race, i like it to be casual, just for fun, and The Crew scratched that...

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Nows the best time for Sony to bring Crash home?

Activistion ain't letting crash go for cheap They see all the tweets x threads x social media stuff Sony has to pay up if they want him back lol Do it Shu

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Nows the best time for Sony to bring Crash home?

Activistion ain't letting crash go for cheap They see all the tweets x threads x social media stuff Sony has to pay up if they want him back lol Do it Shu

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This Gen has been kinda disappointing...if I'm being honest to myself

I agree with OP. This gen is a total disappointment. Thank goodness for Doom, cause this year especially had been very boring.

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FURI | OT | Synthvengeance

I notice that the devs thank Keiji Inafune in the credits. I wonder if they're recreating it what with the migthy no.9 debacle. yah,with others i don't know like takeda and treasures co.

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Bit of console warring here from our educated friend as well

Xbox One wins 3 consecutive months in NPD for the first time, #1 UK, up YoY

That's the thing, PS4 is not ahead of Xbox One by millions in NA which we are referring to with NPD. Xbox One iirc is only a bit more than a million behind PS4 in North America. People always fail to remember this. Smallest difference there has been between first place and second in North...

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Xbox One wins 3 consecutive months in NPD for the first time, #1 UK, up YoY

That's the thing, PS4 is not ahead of Xbox One by millions in NA which we are referring to with NPD. Xbox One iirc is only a bit more than a million behind PS4 in North America. People always fail to remember this. Smallest difference there has been between first place and second in North...

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And then you realise he was saying the same shit in 2016 as well. This person continues to use their own time to log into this board, reply to posts but hate it. How much of a nothing in your lfie do you have to have going on to do that?

Valkyria - no one really gives a shit, so if you dont like it here ask for a permaban or guess what?

 

[tassletine]

Pixar movies are not that complex, try watching European movies. Your brain will struggle.

Lara Croft is not a realist character at all, if by realism you mean bipolar with multiple personalities that serve the plot of the game then yes. I agree on you there.

Horizon it's not a narrative masterpiece but if you think about all the games that start and end the same way yeah that game is a wee bit different.

I'm actually from Europe. I'm not sure what you mean by that?

You don't need to struggle with a film for it to have complex themes. Pixar films are very layered thematically but simple to get into, which is one of the reasons they are great.

I didn't say that she was 'realist'. I said they made her too realistic. But yes we agree.

I don't think something being a wee bit different is enough to put it in the top 1% myself.

 

[OldBoyGamer]

I'm one of the few people who really disliked the dialogue and voice acting in HZD.

I thought Aloy was a dull character and her dialogue matched that boring personality of hers.
I cringed through the entire game because the game itself was excellent and that premise of robot dinosaurs, well…..

I'm not looking forward to having to sit through that dialogue again. But I will.

I don't really get what people thought was so good about her?

but then I also think the story in Last of us 1 was meh. Didn't capture me much. And the characters were all quite unlikeable.
again. Great premise though.

 

[jigglet]

In order to meaningfully contribute to this discussion I feel like I should look up what "mary sue" means.

However I feel like I'd get fucking stupider for doing so. No thanks.

 

[Zeusexy]

Nice to see all the soyny fanboys getting triggered.

Yes, she's a mary sue and a terribly written character, like everyone else in horizon.

But doesn't matter because "it's just a videogame bro", right? As if all videogame characters should be boring and unlikeable by default

 

[onnextflix5]

Its the same in every game, story and characters are very poor, with gender politics involved now, its 10x worse. We gamers need to demand more,

 

[Pantz]

Did anyone say she's more of a Mary Soooooooie?

 

[Green_Eyes]

In order to meaningfully contribute to this discussion I feel like I should look up what "mary sue" means.

However I feel like I'd get fucking stupider for doing so. No thanks.

If you got any stupider you'd be in a coma.