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Is Battlefield 4 the worst thing EA has ever done to their customers?

Mr Sandman said:
I've been a BF fan since the first came out, but honestly BF4 is the last BF I'll buy. It's hot garbage. Never mind the no-skill recoiless assault class (CoD mode as I like to call it) and constant no-skill lock on shit, but the glaring bugs and crashes have pissed me off to no end. It took them a month to fix a major 1 shot kill bug! How the fuck is that acceptable? To top it off it has the shittiest netcode I've seen in a good while!

Yeah, previous BF launches have been rough but this takes it to the next level!
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They explained why. It was hard to reproduce due to what was causing it. If it's hard to reproduce, it's hard to fix.

Seriously, even the players who helped them figure it out could understand why it'd be hard to figure out due to the way the damage was working.

The auto aim is bullshit, agreed, but some of the stuff in your rant is a bit much.
 
Seanspeed said:
Its not going to result in faster fixes.
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You keep saying this but do you actually have a handle on how high a priority these fixes are for EA/DICE? How much focus is being dedicated to these issues and the allotment of developer resources to making these fixes?

Because I'd argue that if they withheld their DLC they'd put more focus, priority and resources on these fixes.
 
CountAntonius said:
Every battlefield launch is a clusterfuck but it ussually has to do with servers being overloaded. Thus seems like a whole nother level of issues. Glad I didn't bother.
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Good to know that SP crashes and save file corruption is due to MP servers be.... Wait... Hang on a sec... Something isnt... Hmmmm... What is it...
 
I got BF4 coming for Xmas which was bought from Amazon, shall I ask for a refund or swap for another game then? Is it really that bad?

You think Amazon would oblige as it was part of a bundle….
 
I honestly wish they would just put out $80 or $100 games upfront without this DLC crap.

If they need more money for AAA titles, then raise the price. This new micro-transaction on top of full retail is scary to me as a consumer.
 
Roberts56 said:
I got BF4 coming for Xmas which was bought from Amazon, shall I ask for a refund or swap for another game then? Is it really that bad?

You think Amazon would oblige as it was part of a bundle….
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It really depends on your patience level.

If you flip out easily, swap it.
 
All the issues you talk about are mostly cleared up in my experience on both PS4 and PC.

Also, your point about Premium is not valid. Its 50 bucks and you get 5 expansion packs for free and earlier than others. Its not like you get early access but also have to buy the expansions on top of Premium.
 
Seanspeed said:
There's no point in holding off. It helps nobody. Only hurts. So why do it? Its not going to result in faster fixes.
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This. I agree with everything in the OP except the inane idea that holding back the finished DLC would help the server/client issues. If anything, they should have realized their scope was too ambitious months ago and halted development on DLC then, before they announced release dates.

I do think it's shitty that preorder peeps without Premium have to wait for China Rising.
 
diablos991 said:
If they need more money for AAA titles, then raise the price. This new micro-transaction on top of full retail is scary to me as a consumer.
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Charging $80-90 for annual AAA title releases instead of breaking out the costs piecemeal would be the best thing to happen to this industry.
 
Sim City is undeniably still EA's biggest fuck up. I at least have fun with Battlefield before I get d/c'ed. Sim City didn't even get that far.
 
IchigoSharingan said:
Do you order a burger with the works and patiently wait for them to give you a patty and 2 buns and every once in a while come in and add ingredients you wanted? Point out the patty is half cooked and wait for it to be done? Notice mold on the buns and smile it's okay?
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Because a video game is a cheeseburger. I understand you are trying to make an analogy, but this one is poor.
 
NullPointer said:
You keep saying this but do you actually have a handle on how high a priority these fixes are for EA/DICE? How much focus is being dedicated to these issues and the allotment of developer resources to making these fixes?

Because I'd argue that if they withheld their DLC they'd put more focus, priority and resources on these fixes.
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I only have a very rudimentary understanding of game development, but I know enough about how large projects work that there's probably dedicated talent for different things. Pulling a map designer off his work isn't going to help the network team fix network issues any faster, for instance.

And like I said, I've gotten 3 major patches so far. So I'm guessing that this is definitely a high priority for them and they are working hard on it. Do you have any evidence to suggest contrary?
 
It may not quite be the worst thing they've done, but it's right up there and it's really terrible. It's definitely caused me to know for sure that I won't be buying the next BF anywhere near launch, that's for sure.
 
Seanspeed said:
I only have a very rudimentary understanding of game development, but I know enough about how large projects work that there's probably dedicated talent for different things. Pulling a map designer off his work isn't going to help the network team fix network issues any faster, for instance.

And like I said, I've gotten 3 major patches so far. So I'm guessing that this is definitely a high priority for them and they are working hard on it. Do you have any evidence to suggest contrary?
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You're right on that. These aren't art or level designer issues that DICE is trying to fix so they have no need to stop them from continuing work on DLC.
 
Seanspeed said:
Do you have any evidence to suggest contrary?
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Only that the game is still broken and they're selling DLC.

Looks like we should just agree to disagree. You seem to believe that EA and DICE have the proper allocation of resources and are working as hard and fast as possible. I don't. Neither of us knows.
 
I currently have BF4 on the 360 and will pick it up again whenever its possible to get a PS4 in my hands. As of right now I'm not buying premium until I get next-gen.

I've just recently started playing it again as it is now actually playable (been playing AC4 in the mean time). I haven't touched the game for a month because of the problems it's had. Finally finished Campaign after having my my saved data corrupted 3 times. And now I'm able to actually finish a match online. But it still crashes from time to time on Conquest. But all the Rush matches I haven't had a problem. This game is definitely not meant for current gen
 
a916 said:
You're right on that. These aren't art or level designer issues that DICE is trying to fix so they have no need to stop them from continuing work on DLC.
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Are you trying to say that only artists and level designers are required to successfully create and deploy DLC?
 
NullPointer said:
Only that the game is still broken and they're selling DLC.

Looks like we should just agree to disagree. You seem to believe that EA and DICE have the proper allocation of resources and are working as hard and fast as possible. I don't. Neither of us knows.
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No, we're not going to agree to disagree here. I will cordially accept that you're done talking about it, but you're just using that line because you've run thin on arguments to support your notion.
 
a916 said:
I want to know the answer to this too... it works as it should.
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He's talking about Origin Systems. The once great PC game company that made Wing Commander and Ultima, which was bought out and then destroyed by EA.
 
Evil Beaver said:
Indeed

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Microsoft is a big winner for this year...but EA is close to win it again for a 3rd time.
 
NullPointer said:
Modern gaming is literally destroying language.

Man oh man, this is all too much.
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Shouldn't have said you get them for free. But my point still stands. Is "Premium" the best deal around? No, but its not really any different than a modern gaming "season pass" except you get more than just the in game updates and expansions.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
I think most Battlefield fans are aware that the game will be broken as all hell for the first month or so.
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Stop buying it then. For fucks sake, this will continue to happen unless Battlefield fans stop buying their shitty broken products every time they release them. It's so asinine to continue to do something when they know the outcome. Honestly, Battlefield fans have done this to themselves and as long as they support it, it will continue to happen.
 
Seanspeed said:
No, we're not going to agree to disagree here. I will cordially accept that you're done talking about it, but you're just using that line because you've run thin on arguments to support your notion.
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OK then, I think you're completely wrong. I also think your attitude helps provide space for these companies to continue to rush out their products while hitting people up for expensive DLC.

Buying their DLC right now is tacit approval of their methods. Selling it to a pissed off playerbase is also a dick move, but unsurprising considering its EA.

Now what?
 
NullPointer said:
OK then, I think you're completely wrong.

Now what?
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Now you show why you think having the artists / level designers stopping work on the DLC will help server / code issues.

(i.e., I also think you're offbase and letting your anger cloud your view. Undertandably so, perhaps, but still)
 
j-wood said:
What was wrong with NBA live? I haven't played it but just curious.
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Primarily that it's woefully outclassed by the other option out there, NBA 2K14. To the point it doesn't seem like EA should be charging 60 dollars for the game.

EA Sports has said they're going to release a patch for the game that's going to improve the graphics and animation. That's how much they under-delivered with the game. This is after going 2 years with out releasing a basketball game after cancellations due to quality issues. Just a fucking mess.
 
JasonMCG said:
What happened with Origin?
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They improved it to make it start/run faster, added 3rd party games, added twitch streaming (I really wish Valve would copy this), added a refund option on EA titles and are also trying to get 3rd parties to follow suit with it (I wish Valve would also copy this) and various other improvments.

I get a lot of the EA hate, but Origin (the program itself) hate I just don't get.
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Anyways for me the worst so far is SimCity, man alive - what happened with that was terrible.
 
Let's just get it out in the open: you need all sorts of developers to make DLC. DICE should've pulled all the engineers with relevant know-how from China Rising to fix the main game.
 
Bizazedo said:
Now you show why you think having the artists / level designers stopping work on the DLC will help server / code issues.

(i.e., I also think you're offbase and letting your anger cloud your view. Undertandably so, perhaps, but still)
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I don't think they should stop working on it if there is absolutely no cross-over in teams. I do think they should hold off on selling it.

Part of it is about sending a signal to the community that EA truly thinks these issues are significant. Part of it is to keep the company absolutely focused on making these fixes and providing the devs doing the troubleshooting and fixes with all the resources they need. Part of it is to provide pressure on the company to fix their broken product - pressure that is somewhat relieved by DLC revenue flowing in rather than by way of fixes.

I'm not arguing physics here. Its about focus, and its about attitude and its about standing behind your product.
 
fabricated backlash said:
Joke is on those who buy it.
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Oh god forbid that publishers should have any accountability when it comes to releasing a product that doesn't work as advertised.
This notion that we should expect games to be broken and wait for them to be fixed is the antithesis in this industry. SMH. These are issues that can no longer be tolerated.

For me it has reached a boiling point. The only recourse I find in this whole situation with BF4 is that it has effected so many users so it is opening some eyes.
Even some of the common damage control media has been forced to actually do their job and inform people.
 
MajorMelchett said:
They improved it to make it start/run faster, added 3rd party games, added twitch streaming (I really wish Valve would copy this), added a refund option on EA titles and are also trying to get 3rd parties to follow suit with it (I wish Valve would also copy this) and various other improvments.

I get a lot of the EA hate, but Origin (the program itself) hate I just don't get.
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Anyways for me the worst so far is SimCity, man alive - what happened with that was terrible.
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PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ORIGIN SYSTEMS WHICH MADE GAMES SUCH AS WING COMMANDER, ULTIMA AND AUTODUEL WHICH EA BOUGHT AND COMPLETELY DESTROYED


Then years later they called their online store "Origin" as one last slap in the face.
 
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