uh, he kinda is. Wakanda is an advanced state, but they aren't supposed to be likable.
Much like Doom, BP is a head of state because he kills his opposition.
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Much like Doom, BP is a head of state because he kills his opposition.
Funky Papa
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Parallax
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not every monarchy is a dictatorship though. so what point does that make?
what does being likable to outsiders have to do with the state of bp being a dictator?
and most of his opposition ends up banished, not killed. if he were a dictator, he would have had storm killed after the phoenix 5 fiasco
likable to readers.
BP is a dictator because his family built their power on keeping other worthy people away from the vibranium mines while paying homage to the panther god they only listen to when its convenient.
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evil solrac v3.0
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maybe that pussy was just that good and he's simping for it.
if BP is so benevolent and full of goodness, why doesn't he share that tech with the rest of Africa and /or the world and fix the myriad problems it has. if he feels he is the best ruler for Wakanda why doesn't he prove it by holding free elections. and Storm is an asshole for marrying him. thanks for beating one of Thanos generals but you're still an asshole.
Vermillion
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Reed is also an asshole, then, and Tony and Thor and every superhero ever that could either build something or fix the world in any way. Who's your favorite hero?
Supermanisdead
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are we counting black panther crippling his own country and then moving to a ratnest in new york as "defeating dr doom"? they donated some of doom's money to charity, big whoop. doom still came out of that alive, rich and a member of the FF.
Pickles the Firecat
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So what you're saying is Panther is Nas and Doom is Jay-Z.
That's....horrifyingly accurate.
pants
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Supermanisdead
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the thing is, none of those characters were written by a hack who's hopeless obsession with black panther led to him making supposedly badass claims that the country has the cures for cancer and aids hidden away - when in reality those claims show a disturbing lack of compassion by a so-called hero.
the reason why the cancer/aids cure thing is brought up in black panther discussions is because he's literally the only character who has fans (and one fucking garbage writer who will remain unnamed) that brag about that kind of dumb villainy shit.
there was never a mention of any of the other marvel scientists creating AIDS cures. hank pym created a suit for firestar that prevented her powers from giving her cancer, but she got cancer years later like a normal person would get it. she went through chemo and meds, while her avengers teammate sat on the cure.
Vermillion
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Ah, Hudlin. We ignore Hudlin on this side of the river. I get what he was going for there, but yeah - I can see how withholding a cure for a disease can be seen as dark, particularly with how it was brought up.
Reed told galactus he could easily solve world hunger.
Finaika
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Deadpool fans can ocasionally lead to greatness
dat camel toe.
Most super geniuses are assholes, though. Especially the rich ones.
If the rest of Marvel Africa around Wakanda is indeed a hellhole, then BP's a pretty irresponsible ruler - economically and socially healthy neighbours go a long way in ensuring productive trade and safe borders, and I'm rule if the neighbouring rulers are absolute pricks, T'Challa coild discretely get his Crusaders Kings on and have them "accidented" until someone who doesn't suck moved those countries forward.
It really shouldn't be beyond such stated Mary Sue qualities to raise the quality of life in the area if his country is such a utopia...
But that's beside the point - what I really want to see are Marvel stories about the day-to-day lives of common latverians, that should be an interesting perspective, if the place is where Doom practices his humanity-saving statesmanship.
It really shouldn't be beyond such stated Mary Sue qualities to raise the quality of life in the area if his country is such a utopia...
But that's beside the point - what I really want to see are Marvel stories about the day-to-day lives of common latverians, that should be an interesting perspective, if the place is where Doom practices his humanity-saving statesmanship.
Funky Papa
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Not Latveria, but I would suggest you to grab Marvels. It's a pretty beefy book chronicling the experiences of common folk upon contact with supers and the change they bring to the world. Alex Ross' art is also so damn gorgeous.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078514286X/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Bwahahaha
God yes, and you can actually tell when they haven't avctually read a batman comic.
Sorry jim, it's true.
Folks always try to paint Wakanda is a bad light. But completely skip over their history, everytime they extended a hand. It gets slapped back, they been threaten and invade by tons of counties. Especially African countries. So their "Don't start none, won't be none" policy makes sense. Their is a team of Apartheid supervillians living right next door.
Anybody can be king wakanda, you just have to earn it. And the people love T'challa and T'chaka.
Why is this onus put on BP? This game makes Batman look even worse in comprehension.
But Batman does do a lot of good to Gotham. Part of the problem I guess is that like his villains always escaping, Gotham being an incurable shithole became a big part of the Batman mythos, and the editors are just too afraid to do anything to it.
Not really, while he is building metahuman killing satellites and reverse engineering weaponize bees Gotham becomes more hell's taint. And shit Bludhaven is right down the road, and he done fuck all about that(Dick can only do so much). Hell the Superior Spiderman didn't even have a PHD and he single handily lowered NYC's crime by like 30 percent. While dating a new girl and going to school.
And spread the Batman program around the world? Get the fuck out of here with that shit. He picked one dude for ALL of Africa, and just gave him a jetpack and left.
Manmademan
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Superior is just ock in a different body, so the no PhD thing is just a technicality.
But your point stands. Superior shows how easy it is to ACTUALLY do something about crime if you were more interested in solving it than working out your personal issues with your fists. And SpOck doesn't have a fraction of a fraction of Wayne's money.
The only real weakness he has is that being a massive, cocky asshole bit...but dude WAS one of marvel's most notorious villains for 15 years.
NuclearSpy
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Doctor Doom is unbeatable on the mere fact that his goals don't actually align with the forces of good or evil. He simply has better things to do then to waste his time with super powers that aren't worthy of him.
Let me put it this way. Doctor Doom in all likelihood exists somewhere where nobody can find him and everything thing you think Doctor Doom did was actually the work of mechadooms.
Let me put it this way. Doctor Doom in all likelihood exists somewhere where nobody can find him and everything thing you think Doctor Doom did was actually the work of mechadooms.
rasberryjam
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While this is explicitly an example of Doom having no planning whatsoever, I still think Cage could take anyone if he REALLY felt like it.
Manmademan
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uh...yes? I'm not even going to get into what Taskmaster would do to Batman, because that argument is just silly. might as well put him in a footrace with Quicksilver.
But Punisher most certainly would give Batman a very, VERY hard time. Not saying how often he would actually win, but he's been humiliating the marvel street level heroes and villains for decades now. Nothing about Batman's dark knight schtick would give Frank any kind of pause, let alone slow him down.
Just for fun:
Manmademan
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I left out the page where Frank took a shotgun to Logan's crotch and blew apart his nether regions. He wasn't really in any shape to walk anywhere at that point.
karasu
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Writers really go too far with the wanking sometimes. Lex Luthor also can also supposedly cure cancer.
Hot Coldman
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yeah, wouldn't Tasky get on Batman's level in like 60 seconds
Manmademan
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We talking about that Taskmaster?
As good as that scan is, I always had a soft spot for this one:
edit: wrong scan, though that one WAS funny.
This is taskmaster Beating ELEKTRA, by emulating daredevil's style. This doesn't sound all that impressive until you realize that Taskmaster does not have radar sense, and literally just beat the shit out of elektra with his eyes shut.
Finaika
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Doesn't he has that mutant healing factor? Why is his face like that?
As good as that scan is, I always had a soft spot for this one:
That is why he and old school Juggy are some of my favorite villians. No pretenses, they just want that money and a cold beer.
Hot Coldman
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Regrowing your whole face probably takes longer than just fixing a wound
karasu
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We talking about that Taskmaster?
Why do they just stand there and let him do all of that?
Manmademan
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Wolverine's healing factor and how fast it is varies greatly by writer and what decade he was in. For most of his history, Healing severe wounds like getting his face or crotch blasted off would take a good amount of time.
Sabretooth would always get the best of him in classic appearances because his healing factor was MUCH faster. i think it was claremont that said that he intended Sabretooth to be the one man Wolverine could never really take, and every year on Wolverine's birthday, Sabretooth would find him wherever he was and beat the daylights out of him, just to show he could.
Taskmaster is already far, far over Batman's ability level. Prometheus beat the shit out of Batman with only the styles of the 12 top MA's in the DCU. (including of course, batman).
Taskmaster has mastered every style on the planet that exists including "unique" ones (spiderman, etc),can blend them together into hybrid styles, use predictive movement to counter, and master new ones in seconds. We've not talking dozens but thousands. And that's before getting into silly shit like having bullseye's super-aim, and replicas of cap's shield, hawkeye's arrows, guns, bombs, swords, poisons, etc as standard equipment. If you're using any kind of conventional fighting style you've already lost. Oh, and he's apparently some kind of genius as well with a literal army of thugs and scientists on his payroll. Taskmaster can even clone people.
They really wasn't paying attention to him. Antman was being an asshole, Stature was being a brat, and Skull-Pym was just being ineffectual.
SquiddyCracker
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Superior Spidey is my favorite Spiderman ever.
He's actually useful.
Shame they're going to blow the lid off the whole thing, and probably return old spidey from spider hell or something.
Sir_Crocodile
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Whatever happened to that magic spider powers storyline from a few years ago?
Wiktor
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Unless you're Deadpool, altough I guess him being nuts makes his style not really a conventional one
Unless you're Deadpool, altough I guess him being nuts makes his style not really a conventional one
That was a terrible scene.
Wiktor
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AFAIR he beat Taskmaster on numerous ocassions. Tasky just can't handle somebody so random.
Duane Cunningham
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So what does the Sea Horn do? Did some big monster show up next?
EDIT: Haha, yep, guess so!
entremet
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Who hasn't beaten Wolvie at this point lol.
Parallax
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He's a walking measuring stick. He can roll though hand ninjas like water through toilet paper, but struggles with frank.
Don't have a clue but there are far more pressing questions that need answering like
How does the Sea Horn fit in his mouth in the first place
Also how is he able to speak and play the horn at the same time
And the most important question of all, how did he turn the Horn yellow
rasberryjam
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Doom said it himself. He does as he pleases.
He ain't gonna let basic laws of reality get him down!
Manmademan
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Unless you're Deadpool, altough I guess him being nuts makes his style not really a conventional one
yep. predictive movement doesn't really work on berzerkers, or deadpool. since there's nothing to predict, or it's just too impossible. Taskmaster did say deadpool was REALLY good on top of being unpredictable, so it's not just one or the other but both that was the issue.
Getting back to Punisher though, the thing that makes him such a bastard to deal with is that he doesn't just fight superheroes all the damn time, he makes a point of exploiting the sillier things about the superheroics business and just humiliates his opponents in the process. Spider-Man, Cap, Daredevil, Wolverine, etc want nothing to do with him. Punisher even has good showings against or has beaten Black Widow, Deadpool, Kraven, Bullseye and US Agent.
Punisher is either a very good or very bad match for someone like Batman (depending on how you look at it), since "out prepping" that guy isn't really plausible, intimidating him isn't happening, he's fought opponents who are as good or better in MA, and Frank will simply not hesitate to severely cripple or kill at a moment's notice. Batman IS smarter overall and does have more resources to pull from though.
Funky Papa
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