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[Manmademan]

Couldn't Magneto just crush him?

seriously though, doom and iron man both have safeguards in their armors against magneto, EMPs, etc.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I left out the page where Frank took a shotgun to Logan's crotch and blew apart his nether regions. He wasn't really in any shape to walk anywhere at that point.

is that punisher kills the marvel U ? or is that a Marvel Maxx book never saw that before.

 

[secretanchitman]

Nope. Wolverine/Storm/Akuma beats him handily

 

[Manmademan]

is that punisher kills the marvel U ? or is that a Marvel Maxx book never saw that before.

i think it might be Punisher Max.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Wolverine's healing factor and how fast it is varies greatly by writer and what decade he was in. For most of his history, Healing severe wounds like getting his face or crotch blasted off would take a good amount of time.

Sabretooth would always get the best of him in classic appearances because his healing factor was MUCH faster. i think it was claremont that said that he intended Sabretooth to be the one man Wolverine could never really take, and every year on Wolverine's birthday, Sabretooth would find him wherever he was and beat the daylights out of him, just to show he could.



Taskmaster is already far, far over Batman's ability level. Prometheus beat the shit out of Batman with only the styles of the 12 top MA's in the DCU. (including of course, batman).

Taskmaster has mastered every style on the planet that exists including "unique" ones (spiderman, etc),can blend them together into hybrid styles, use predictive movement to counter, and master new ones in seconds. We've not talking dozens but thousands. And that's before getting into silly shit like having bullseye's super-aim, and replicas of cap's shield, hawkeye's arrows, guns, bombs, swords, poisons, etc as standard equipment. If you're using any kind of conventional fighting style you've already lost. Oh, and he's apparently some kind of genius as well with a literal army of thugs and scientists on his payroll. Taskmaster can even clone people.

yeah but batman might not fight with just his fists , taskmaster vs bats would be...ugh id rather see Slade vs Taskmaster. Now if im correct doesnt taskmaster have some kind of retarded metabolism to keep his brain fed or he crashes after imitating others for a while? I dont know if taskmaster actually has an "augmented" physiology he might just be the best a normal trained human can be. So ...yeah its great that your the best fighter ever and stuff but basically people that are up the scale in durability could just stand there then give him trouble. I saw him fighting Venom...and it was just like ok unless he has some fire or something to disrupt the sybiote, taskmaster is going to DIE. He knows their moves but physicality matters for something.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

i think it might be Punisher Max.

either way Wolverine gonna Wolvy, 80 + years of in the shit pure hell combat, mental manipulation, covert ops, survival trainning, mental augmented trainning, butt naked grizzly bear killing, xmen + danger room, ninja's , samurai, Alpha Flight. And now getting farmed to the villain of the month, at this point he's becoming like the Green Loser Corps . there to get his ass kicked.

 

[NEO0MJ]

i think it might be Punisher Max.

Nope, never saw that happen in Max. And the artstyle is very different.

 

[Aylinato]

either way Wolverine gonna Wolvy, 80 + years of in the shit pure hell combat, mental manipulation, covert ops, survival trainning, mental augmented trainning, butt naked grizzly bear killing, xmen + danger room, ninja's , samurai, Alpha Flight. And now getting farmed to the villain of the month, at this point he's becoming like the Green Loser Corps . there to get his ass kicked.

See what happens when GL corps get turned into the Hal show?

 

[Manmademan]

yeah but batman might not fight with just his fists , taskmaster vs bats would be...ugh id rather see Slade vs Taskmaster. Now if im correct doesnt taskmaster have some kind of retarded metabolism to keep his brain fed or he crashes after imitating others for a while? I dont know if taskmaster actually has an "augmented" physiology he might just be the best a normal trained human can be. So ...yeah its great that your the best fighter ever and stuff but basically people that are up the scale in durability could just stand there then give him trouble. I saw him fighting Venom...and it was just like ok unless he has some fire or something to disrupt the sybiote, taskmaster is going to DIE. He knows their moves but physicality matters for something.

No, taskmaster doesn't have a time limit on his replication, but he does have the ability to perform certain moves at about twice normal speed, as a result of watching them on fast forward. THAT will wear him out rather quickly and he can't do it for long. Current Taskmaster is forgetting details about his personal life as a result of memorizing so much combat shit, but that's it.

The thing that makes taskmaster a difficult opponent isn't just his fighting skill. But fighting skill definitely helps. Against stronger opponents, most of the top tier MA's (cap, iron fist, shang chi, even kraven) will use pressure point techniques to immobilize, stun, or KO in a single hit. Slayven already posted a scan of Tasky knocking out a giant sized yellowjacket in one hit using this exact excuse. Pressure points have even worked against the Hulk, so the only way around this is to not get hit- and most bricks aren't skilled enough to avoid it.

on top of that, those who are REALLY high up there can boost strikes with Chi-amping techniques. Shang Chi and Iron fist do this constantly, and Taskmaster has their skills.

I also mentioned that taskmaster carries around a TON of equipment. All the time. He's typically equipped with copies of Hawkeye's trick arrows, which generally include:

Sonic Arrow
Explosive-tip Arrow
Smoke Bomb Arrow
Flare Arrow
Tear Gas Arrow
Acid Arrow
Suction Cup Arrow
Cable Arrow
Putty Arrow
Bola Arrow
Electro-disrupter Arrow
Net Arrow
Rocket Arrow
Boomerang Arrow

Other arrows that have shown up randomly include "Fire Arrow", "Freeze Arrow", "Vibranium Arrow", "Sleeping Gas Arrow", "EMP Arrow",and "Tranquilizer Arrow". I've also randomly heard of Adamantium tipped arrows, but who knows if tasky has one.

Taskmaster also possesses Bulleye's perfect aim, which means he (like bullseye) can kill an opponent at 100 yards with a toothpick if he wanted to. Good luck avoiding those arrows.

Taskmaster also runs around with a variety of pistols, poison darts, a shield inspired by captain america that's balanced for throwing, and some kind of sword or katana. Tasky also has an energy device laying around that lets him replicate OTHER random superhero equipment, like claws, spiderman's webbing, and energy shields.

Point being that a totally unprepared taskmaster is a walking arsenal. One that knows you're coming is a nightmare.

 

[Slayven]

And Taskmaster took down Agent X which is like Deadpool+

 

[Parallax]

And Taskmaster took down Agent X which is like Deadpool+

plus size now. marvel really doesnt want me to have an agency x book

 

[sleepykyo]

uh...yes? I'm not even going to get into what Taskmaster would do to Batman, because that argument is just silly. might as well put him in a footrace with Quicksilver.

But Punisher most certainly would give Batman a very, VERY hard time. Not saying how often he would actually win, but he's been humiliating the marvel street level heroes and villains for decades now. Nothing about Batman's dark knight schtick would give Frank any kind of pause, let alone slow him down.

Just for fun:

I can't stop laughing. It's like an extreme version of the Looney Tunes. Yosemite Sam indeed.

 

[Slayven]

plus size now. marvel really doesnt want me to have an agency x book

I say the same thing about Solo, Annex, Xtreme, and Sundragon.

 

[Wiktor]

And Taskmaster took down Agent X which is like Deadpool+

Deadpool manages to defeat Taskmaster multiple times not because of his powers or skills, but primarly because Wade is simply insane. Agent X might not be all that healthy psychologically, but he's nowhere near the level of Deadpool in this area.

 

[Nether!]

I know it got a lot of hate in the comic book community, but I loved the udon taskmaster redesign.

 

[Slayven]

Deadpool manages to defeat Taskmaster multiple times not because of his powers or skills, but primarly because Wade is simply insane. Agent X might not be all that healthy psychologically, but he's nowhere near the level of Deadpool in this area.

Sure but I think it is just bad writing. Crazy don't be a bullet to the brain. And Taskmaster is one of the most pragmatic combatants out there.

 

[Wiktor]

Sure but I think it is just bad writing. Crazy don't be a bullet to the brain. And Taskmaster is one of the most pragmatic combatants out there.

Nah. Taskmaster's effectiveness is in large part due to him being able to read his opponents. It makes perfect sense that he would be at a great disadvantage against somebody this unpredictable.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

No, taskmaster doesn't have a time limit on his replication, but he does have the ability to perform certain moves at about twice normal speed, as a result of watching them on fast forward. THAT will wear him out rather quickly and he can't do it for long. Current Taskmaster is forgetting details about his personal life as a result of memorizing so much combat shit, but that's it.

The thing that makes taskmaster a difficult opponent isn't just his fighting skill. But fighting skill definitely helps. Against stronger opponents, most of the top tier MA's (cap, iron fist, shang chi, even kraven) will use pressure point techniques to immobilize, stun, or KO in a single hit. Slayven already posted a scan of Tasky knocking out a giant sized yellowjacket in one hit using this exact excuse. Pressure points have even worked against the Hulk, so the only way around this is to not get hit- and most bricks aren't skilled enough to avoid it.

on top of that, those who are REALLY high up there can boost strikes with Chi-amping techniques. Shang Chi and Iron fist do this constantly, and Taskmaster has their skills.

I also mentioned that taskmaster carries around a TON of equipment. All the time. He's typically equipped with copies of Hawkeye's trick arrows, which generally include:

Sonic Arrow
Explosive-tip Arrow
Smoke Bomb Arrow
Flare Arrow
Tear Gas Arrow
Acid Arrow
Suction Cup Arrow
Cable Arrow
Putty Arrow
Bola Arrow
Electro-disrupter Arrow
Net Arrow
Rocket Arrow
Boomerang Arrow

Other arrows that have shown up randomly include "Fire Arrow", "Freeze Arrow", "Vibranium Arrow", "Sleeping Gas Arrow", "EMP Arrow",and "Tranquilizer Arrow". I've also randomly heard of Adamantium tipped arrows, but who knows if tasky has one.

Taskmaster also possesses Bulleye's perfect aim, which means he (like bullseye) can kill an opponent at 100 yards with a toothpick if he wanted to. Good luck avoiding those arrows.

Taskmaster also runs around with a variety of pistols, poison darts, a shield inspired by captain america that's balanced for throwing, and some kind of sword or katana. Tasky also has an energy device laying around that lets him replicate OTHER random superhero equipment, like claws, spiderman's webbing, and energy shields.

Point being that a totally unprepared taskmaster is a walking arsenal. One that knows you're coming is a nightmare.

yeah thats all fine and good, it would be great to see who pulls out more arsenal goodies Taskmaster vs Slade. I definitely like taskmaster vs most of the master level martial artists and highly trained agents/bounty hunters...well maybe not Lobo and the Hulk agent of shield but the rest yeah. Im assuming part of the character is gear for many many situations since he not only hires himself out but he is goon trainer supreme on earth. It would be great to see him vs Gamora or better yet Karnak who would know his weakspot as well. I like a char like taskmaster just, when it gets over the top like any other char it gets silly. The glass cannon cyclops not dying in shame in a close combat brawl against wolverine for example *seriously he head butt him in the FACE*. I can let it slide for a bit but Wonder Woman is talkin bout how she could fight the Flash....Im done.

We arent going to do this pressure point shit with the hulk anymore though people, if we do then we have to concede the Batman pressure point kick. Are we prepared to do that? Batman 1 hit ko'd the Hulk, we're gonna ok that?

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Nah. Taskmaster's effectiveness is in large part due to him being able to read his opponents. It makes perfect sense that he would be at a great disadvantage against somebody this unpredictable.

Last time I saw Deadpool whip Tasky's ass he said something on the lines of
DP: Hey thanks for letting me win.
Task: I didn't let you win, you are THAT good, is just that nobody takes you seriously.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Sure but I think it is just bad writing. Crazy don't be a bullet to the brain. And Taskmaster is one of the most pragmatic combatants out there.

hmmm DP survives obscene amts of dmg ...so i think even though he gets out fought by Task ...he can take it man , you can hit his nerves all day, what does that even mean to DP if he's be rolled in the face by wolverine, shot to pieces, blown up, etc etc, whats some nerve dmg caused by a human gonna do to him? Task would definitely have to pull out some shit that isnt every day and he would feel it if it were used and ultimately didnt get the job done. Im sure he will try freezing DP next or trapping him. But DP isnt gonna just stand there he's highly trained too, and not just what he did , they programmed shit into his psyche too that fucked up weapon X training.

using pressure points on colossus, now THATS bad writing *what pressure points?* the man has his normal physiology changed , gonna vulcan neck pinch Ben Grimm next? Sad thing is these things have probably already happened.

And i blame the green lanterns cause they are losers.

 

[Mudcrab]

Nope, never saw that happen in Max. And the artstyle is very different.

It's from Ennis's first Punisher MAX title, ish 16 or 17 I believe.

Also missing page in question:

 

[Serrato]

The thing with Batman is that he is either overestimated by his fans, or underestimated by those who don't like his fans.

The ''Beat anyone with any amount of Prep'' pattern is getting old and not that true.

Anyway, the best Batman stories are always those that are in the ''Gotham-Verse''.

Or the Elseworlds (Kingdom Come)

Also: Doctor Doom is a bit like Iron Man, Wolverine, Batman and all those: he is as powerful as the plot need him to be.

 

[3N16MA]

After reading this thread I have learned that GAF loves Black Panther and Doom is as awesome as I thought.

 

[Serrato]

After reading this thread I have learned that GAF loves Black Panther and Doom is as awesome as I thought.

I don't like him (Panther), but that's me.


Ya, Doom is awesome.

Reed Richards? A crazy psychopath held on the good side because Sue is always behind him.

 

[zon]

uh...yes? I'm not even going to get into what Taskmaster would do to Batman, because that argument is just silly. might as well put him in a footrace with Quicksilver.

But Punisher most certainly would give Batman a very, VERY hard time. Not saying how often he would actually win, but he's been humiliating the marvel street level heroes and villains for decades now. Nothing about Batman's dark knight schtick would give Frank any kind of pause, let alone slow him down.

Just for fun:

Those Punisher vs Wolverine scans were from a very stupid back-and-forth between two teams at Marvel. In one mag Punisher is whooping Wolverine for days, in the other Wolverine is whooping Punisher for days.

I still prefer the ending from the wolverine team though.

Spoiler

Logan accidentally finds Frank's stash of body builder hunks and Frank immediately starts with the "this isn't what it looks like!" and Logan, now laughing his ass off, leaves a humiliated Punisher with his wank material

 

[BattleMonkey]

Deadpool fans can ocasionally lead to greatness

Deadpool fans are the worst thing to happen to cons lately. Just gives an excuse to a bunch of idiots to act like stupid fucks and ppl eat it up. "lol the guy is being a dick, thats so deadpool!". And theres always a ton of them now, it's like 4chan's personified new uniform

 

[Slayven]

Deadpool was reaching that Joker"He sooooooooo crazy" levels of writer laziness.

 

[kswiston]

Punisher didn't fair too well against Daken, so he shouldn't be able to take Wolverine:

 

[Manmademan]

Punisher didn't fair too well against Daken, so he shouldn't be able to take Wolverine:

Daken has those wack pheromones, though.

edit: and I know we've all seen it, but I can't help posting it whenever the word "punisher" comes up.

 

[Parallax]

Daken has those wack pheromones, though.

and daken isnt treated like a dedicated punching bag.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Punisher beat Daken several times before that, but of course uber regeneration brought him back each time. Punisher was also messed up when Daken eventually got to corner him and bring him down. Daken had alot of help from Hammer forces when he got the Punisher

 

[TheKaeptain]

who has a good fanbase?

Doop.

 

[Parallax]

Daken has those wack pheromones, though.

edit: and I know we've all seen it, but I can't help posting it whenever the word "punisher" comes up.

punishment day is utterly fantastic. i die a little each time i see it.

Doop.

i agree with that. simply because doops fanbase isnt as large. but let doop get a deadpool like push, and i can guarantee you it will become complete shit.

 

[Manmademan]

Punisher beat Daken several times before that, but of course uber regeneration brought him back each time. Punisher was also messed up when Daken eventually got to corner him and bring him down. Daken had alot of help from Hammer forces when he got the Punisher

and of course, Arkham and Blackgate would hardly be the revolving doors they currently are if Punisher was running around Gotham...

Heroes fuck around too much.

 

[Manmademan]

punishment day is utterly fantastic. i die a little each time i see it.

some day my copy of punisher 2099 #1 is going to be a mint when people rediscover how ridiculous it was.

xmen 2099 #1 on the other hand...well, someday I might run out of TP.

 

[Funky Papa]

How the fuck could you push Doop.

 

[Parallax]

How the fuck could you push Doop.

put him on solos with already popular characters. team him up with deadpool and make it so deadpool can understand what doop is saying. show off just how powerful that little..what ever doop is off. pretty much just make him a large comedy foil that kicks ass from time to time

 

[kswiston]

put him on solos with already popular characters. team him up with deadpool and make it so deadpool can understand what doop is saying. show off just how powerful that little..what ever doop is off. pretty much just make him a large comedy foil that kicks ass from time to time

Pretty much. If a talking space tree can have a fan base, so can Doop.

 

[Rastafarian42]

I'm surprised no one put up the scans of Doom out smarting Mepshito in the Dr. strange and Doom mini. That has to be in the top three doom feats.

 

[Manmademan]

Pretty much. If a talking space tree can have a fan base, so can Doop.

ugh, remember when Lobo was everywhere? worse than Deadpool, Batman, Wolverine fandom by a mile.

I'm surprised no one put up the scans of Doom out smarting Mepshito in the Dr. strange and Doom mini. That has to be in the top three doom feats.

Mephisto is one of those characters that seems to do nothing BUT job

Spoiler

and fuck up the spider-books

and literally nothing else.

edit: I can't stop talking about Punisher today. This was during civil war, when heroes were taking sides against each other. Two D-list villains attempt to throw their two cents in...

It might be the wine talking, but I haven't laughed that hard in two weeks.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

ugh, remember when Lobo was everywhere? worse than Deadpool, Batman, Wolverine fandom by a mile.



Mephisto is one of those characters that seems to do nothing BUT job

Spoiler

and fuck up the spider-books

and literally nothing else.

edit: I can't stop talking about Punisher today. This was during civil war, when heroes were taking sides against each other. Two D-list villains attempt to throw their two cents in...

It might be the wine talking, but I haven't laughed that hard in two weeks.

what the Val Seimeks run? That shit was hillarious who took the time to hate Lobo , he jobbed in DC proper , and had fun in his books. Not like he was a Green Loser showing up in every event just to get face raped while holding the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.

 

[Slayven]

some day my copy of punisher 2099 #1 is going to be a mint when people rediscover how ridiculous it was.

xmen 2099 #1 on the other hand...well, someday I might run out of TP.

Fuck that noise my mint Ravage 2099 will be worth a fortune one day.

 

[Manmademan]

Fuck that noise my mint Ravage 2099 will be worth a fortune one day.

Oh, I've got that one too. If there was ever a "WTF are they doing with this book" comic, that would be it.

The best thing about Doom 2099 was saying "fuck ravage" and shooting him into space, never to be seen again.

 

[Slayven]

Oh, I've got that one too. If there was ever a "WTF are they doing with this book" comic, that would be it.

The best thing about Doom 2099 was saying "fuck ravage" and shooting him into space, never to be seen again.

Ravange was a wildcard for sure, I am pretty sure he was meant to be their Wolverine. Remember that depressing return to 2099 Marvel did a few years ago? Where Maximus gets Black Bolt to suicide and kill the whole Inhuman race with him?

 

[Aylinato]

Everything I've read about doom is like he's really a superhero who just wants to take over the world. Is there anything that've has done that is actually evil?

 

[Manmademan]

Ravange was a wildcard for sure, I am pretty sure he was meant to be their Wolverine.

no no no no no. I bought (edit: almost) every issue of that mess. It was nonsensical.

First issue starts off with Ravage as a CEO, who gets fucked over and turns into an insaaaaaaaaaaane garbageman. like a punisher who shops out of trash cans.

this is not a joke.

The character bounces around doing questionable things until getting sent to "mutroid island". There he develops mutroid powers, drops the insane garbageman act, and shoots lasers out of his hands.

This lasts for a couple more issues until ravage finally mutates into a wolverine ripoff- but in secret! he walks into his old job as CEO after months of being MIA and playing in trash and nobody is supposed to notice.

eventually he gives this up to go and find a mythical race of beast people.

I kept waiting for this book to get better, or at least hit rock bottom in terms of sucking but it just kept getting worse. I've never been this mad at a comic book.

Remember that depressing return to 2099 Marvel did a few years ago? Where Maximus gets Black Bolt to suicide and kill the whole Inhuman race with him?

I do not remember this.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

no no no no no. I bought (edit: almost) every issue of that mess. It was nonsensical.

First issue starts off with Ravage as a CEO, who gets fucked over and turns into an insaaaaaaaaaaane garbageman. like a punisher who shops out of trash cans.

this is not a joke.

The character bounces around doing questionable things until getting sent to "mutroid island". There he develops mutroid powers, drops the insane garbageman act, and shoots lasers out of his hands.

This lasts for a couple more issues until ravage finally mutates into a wolverine ripoff- but in secret! he walks into his old job as CEO after months of being MIA and playing in trash and nobody is supposed to notice.

eventually he gives this up to go and find a mythical race of beast people.

I kept waiting for this book to get better, or at least hit rock bottom in terms of sucking but it just kept getting worse. I've never been this mad at a comic book.



I do not remember this.

the correct answer....actually no one even remembers 2099 outside of Spiderman , doom and that one page of Punisher 2099

 

[Manmademan]

the correct answer....actually no one even remembers 2099 outside of Spiderman , doom and that one page of Punisher 2099

Truth.

2099 was an interesting concept, but it had unfortunate timing. Every good artist marvel had jumped ship to start image comics that same year (or damn near close to it) leaving every comic outside of spiderman looking kind of bland. This was pretty much a death sentence in 1992.

This doesn't really excuse the writing though, most of it was the worst of the worst. I bag on Ravage all the time but there's some stuff in 2099 unlimited that comes off reading like the worst kind of fanfiction.

2099 A.D. fixed a lot of problems, but the damage was done by then.

 

[Slayven]

no no no no no. I bought (edit: almost) every issue of that mess. It was nonsensical.

First issue starts off with Ravage as a CEO, who gets fucked over and turns into an insaaaaaaaaaaane garbageman. like a punisher who shops out of trash cans.

this is not a joke.

The character bounces around doing questionable things until getting sent to "mutroid island". There he develops mutroid powers, drops the insane garbageman act, and shoots lasers out of his hands.

This lasts for a couple more issues until ravage finally mutates into a wolverine ripoff- but in secret! he walks into his old job as CEO after months of being MIA and playing in trash and nobody is supposed to notice.

eventually he gives this up to go and find a mythical race of beast people.

I kept waiting for this book to get better, or at least hit rock bottom in terms of sucking but it just kept getting worse. I've never been this mad at a comic book.



I do not remember this.

Still better than Nightman's mom wanting to fuck him.

the correct answer....actually no one even remembers 2099 outside of Spiderman , doom and that one page of Punisher 2099

I liked Meanstreak from X-men 2099, he was like a more passive aggressive Quicksilver.

 

[Manmademan]

I liked Meanstreak from X-men 2099, he was like a more passive aggressive Quicksilver.

That whole lineup was D-list. especially the black woman who was absolutely, totally not storm.

The worst was issue 3 or 4, when the cover was something like One of the Xmen 2099...WILL DIE!

Oh, you mean it was the girl with the useless stretchy arms? The one with worthless powers? who saw that coming?