That is just a rumor , there is no evidence that he wanted to ended after the cell games.
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Is Dragonball GT the biggest waste of potential in a series sequel ever?
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That is just a rumor , there is no evidence that he wanted to ended after the cell games.
Corronchilejano
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Look at the movie trailer for the next movie. It really looks like it has nothing to do with the previous one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y4StkRdYdw
Unless they're actually trying to distance themselves from the previous movie and create a new story arc inside the continuity set by Battle of the Gods (which has never happened among DBZ movies).
I don't actually have any hopes, since the story set by the movie apparently wasn't universally loved and I fear there's been a push for Toriyama to just place characters that beat each other up from minute 1.
Gucci Messiah
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He didn't come out and say it because he was under contract and making money hand over fist but I think it's pretty obvious.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/cell/
In the manga Toriyama does a gag at the end of it basically along the lines of "Nope, Dragonball isn't done yet." He does this when Goku beats Piccolo at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as well. It's widely believed that it's possible those two points in the manga were considered to be end-games, considering there really isn't any reason to include a gag like that otherwise.
The Freeza thing is all a myth however. I also recall Toriyama specifically stating that he thought about ending Dragonball as a shorter series aka basically the first arc in the series.
See You Next Wednesday
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wtf is "that"?
BeatResetsTheWorld
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By first half of the series I mean the pre-timeskip Naruto! I put "half" in quotes because technically they're all the same series
That doesn't really prove anything, you can use that to say that he didnt want to end after the cell games
It wont be broly as he non canon character and because he is fucking terrible
Corronchilejano
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See? Point proven.
PS: I think it'll be something more along the lines of "The first super saiyan" or something...
... which will somehow be Broly.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
It's probably someone we haven't seen before, just like how Buu was an "ancient evil" and Bibidi had been tormenting people since forever ago, but we never heard about them until the Buu saga. I personally wouldn't get too hyped for any returning villains (what could they do against Goku and co. at this point, anyway?)
Out of all GT's shafted characters, Goten by far got the worst treatment. He didn't have a single moment where he did anything important, and he became really unlikeable. Trunks at least had the first arc to shine. Pan was terrible. Man, all of GT was just... terrible.
Out of all GT's shafted characters, Goten by far got the worst treatment. He didn't have a single moment where he did anything important, and he became really unlikeable. Trunks at least had the first arc to shine. Pan was terrible. Man, all of GT was just... terrible.
Gucci Messiah
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lol ok
EDIT: Like I said, Toriyama would never come out and state this explicitly but I think it's pretty obvious DBZ was meant to end after the Cell Games with Gohan taking over as the protector of Earth. Toei probably had him under contract and forced him to continue due to the amount of money they were making on the series, you can see a drop in quality once we get to the Buu saga, and especially in GT which Toriyama obviously had no involvement in. Just my 2 cents.
Chaotic-Strike
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DBGT is ultimately forgettable and the first half was clearly trying to emulate Dragon Ball and failed.
Then when they started to lose ratings, Toei shoehorned it to be more like Z with forgettable villains who felt weaker than the previous Z ones and failed again.
In the end, it didn't know what it wanted to be; So I do find it to be one of the biggest waste of a franchise ever.
Then when they started to lose ratings, Toei shoehorned it to be more like Z with forgettable villains who felt weaker than the previous Z ones and failed again.
In the end, it didn't know what it wanted to be; So I do find it to be one of the biggest waste of a franchise ever.
flaxknuckles
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BROOOOLLLLYYYYY!!!!!
Lol it's awesome how so many people in the comments had the same wish as I did after seeing that trailer. Please be him and let him wreck the shit out of the Z Warriors again. The first movie was so hype.
God Dayumm
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I liked the concept of the evil dragons. For once (for twice?) the dragon balls take the spotlight as should be
Chaotic-Strike
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Broly has had three movies already and two of them were terrible. I'd rather them not waste another one, on one of the most generic villains in the series.
But how did he grow the mustache?
Freedom = $1.05
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Dragon ball isn't as fucked with filler as Z is, but otherwise i'd say they're great for different reasons. Dragon ball is mostly an fantasy adventure, whereas dragon ball z is mostly about losing to the most emo half-alien ever: gohan.
A lot of people is going to disagree but for me
Horrible design, CG aged really bad and the only good story IMO is the one that involves Gen 1 Transofrmers.
I didn't see it as a sequel to anything but rather a new spinoff series set in the far future from G1 transformers. Beast Machines on the other hand....
Gucci Messiah
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That wasn't directed at the Broly conversation. I don't really have a strong opinion either way about that.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I forgot she even existed. You'd think Vegeta's daughter would be the fighter, not Pan. Another wasted character... sigh.
This used to bother me, but Nappa had one too, so...
Love Deterrence
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I could not agree more. While Gohan wasn't as dominant a character after the Cell arc, he still had the "Ultimate Gohan" phase. Goten was useless after... (What did he ever do again? :lol) But seriously, after the showdown between Gotenks and Buu, Goten was worthless.
bobawesome
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Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and Evangelion 3.33 lead me to believe no.
Love Deterrence
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Aw, man! I loved 3.33. With Ghost in the Shell, however, I feel the original was the better movie by a long-shot.
Chaotic-Strike
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You kinda of answered it yourself but what purpose did Goten ever serve? He doesn't really do anything other than fuse with Trunks and after that's he's useless.
That's a flaw with Dragon Ball in general, having characters who don't do squat except be fodder for the new villain.
flaxknuckles
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Broly
Hidden One
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No, junior.
The new season was decent. I guess you could say it's 'fantastic' compared to Book 1 and 2 though.
There are far too many problems with LoK to fix at this point.
Is fucking garbage .
bobawesome
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Don't get me wrong, I didn't think 3.33 was terrible or anything. It's just not what I expected after 2.22, which I consider a near masterpiece.
flaxknuckles
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He had the best fight scene in DBZ. He was just soloing everybody and smiling while doing it. Just look at this boss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc5vVAUcaR4
Gucci Messiah
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Member status doesn't have to do with posting ability, lets not pull that condescending rank bs here
Yeah that fight is great but broly is a terrible character if you can even call him that.
How cool would it be if it was original Piccolo?
Space Runaway
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Eh, Broly felt like a retread of Android 13's super form from the previous movie, except now they had an entire movie dedicated to a one sided fight. Plus he didn't do anything as cool as punching Goku in the balls, breaking Trunks' sword or doing a backbreaker on Vegeta.
flaxknuckles
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He is a force of nature. He doesn't need character, he just comes in and wrecks shit. He should have never died from that squiggly ass punch. He should have showed up randomly throughout DBZ just to beat up Goku and his mark ass friends and then leave to destroy more planets.
A lot of people is going to disagree but for me
Horrible design, CG aged really bad and the only good story IMO is the one that involves Gen 1 Transofrmers.
Did you mean to say Beast Machines in this post? Of course the CG hasn't aged that well (can you blame it) but otherwise this is still one of the best Transformers series ever produced.
Given that "half" is in quotes, I think they meant OG Naruto.
flaxknuckles
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Welp, I know what I'm doing today. Gonna watch me some Z-Warrior punking.
Chaotic-Strike
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Sounds like any random villain to me and the most he deserved was one movie let alone three.
Don't see what's so great about a USSJ Trunks recolor, who is pissed at the main character for making him cry as an infant.
Monocle
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Probabably. GT was incredibly thorough in its bastardization of Dragon Ball. Barely any characters, tropes, or themes survived unscathed, much less improved.
This is utter bullshit. I think you meant Beast Machines, which almost achieved GT's level of near-comical disregard for the spirit of the prior material.A lot of people is going to disagree but for me
Horrible design, CG aged really bad and the only good story IMO is the one that involves Gen 1 Transofrmers.
Phaethon0017
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A lot of people is going to disagree but for me
Horrible design, CG aged really bad and the only good story IMO is the one that involves Gen 1 Transofrmers.
I dislike your opinion.
ehh at the time of watching Dragonball Z I was a little kid and seeing GT just made me happy with glee that it continued after seeing the ending of Z. I mean yeah the writing was bad, but DBZ writing was never good that and we got SSJ4 Gogeta to bad Toriyama ended up basically saying GT was not canon and creating a even stupider sounding SSJ form being SSJ God but overall I'll pretty much anything Dragonball now without question even if said thing is horrible.
DiipuSurotu
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