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Is it just me or are the consoles becoming less impressive generation after next?

You honestly think the increase in detail between the 3rd and 4th models would be anywhere near as obvious as the difference between the 1st and 2nd, or the 2nd and 3rd?

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME????

Diminishing returns don't "start" anywhere except the beginning. It's a gradual constant process. A lot of people have no clue whatsoever of what the concept even means.
I know very well what it means. Those models arent anything spectacular. There's a LOT more room to grow before we start hitting the uncanny valley. We won't be there anytime soon with polygon counts. It can be a lot more obvious and drastic than what is shown in that poor example of a picture you seem to think is a shining example of reality.

We are a long way out, yet.
 
Its not because of consoles but because pc gfx and gaming has risen much faster technicaly.
15 years ago we didnt have the 500-1000$ videocards we had like now..
The ps1 was fucking hot back in the time with smooth 3d effects in destruction durby. Compared that to software rendered games on my pc. (I had a s3 virge 2d 3d videocard but lol yeah)
With the introduction of 3dfx and glide it all started to slowly change


I remember reading a review of this card in 1994 The original, not the revised model

http://vgamuseum.ru/gpu/number-nine/number-nine-imagine-128-ii/

It did cost around 1000 $ and had 4 MB of RAM. The second most expensive model was Number 9 FX Motion at half the price.

the irony is that that review also measured MS-DOS performance and that model had the worst performance out of all. S3 cards were top for MS-DOS gaming and cost 1/5 the price.
 
While I agree with the OP, I think this new gen has brang other things new to the table for a console. 1080p gaming (for PS4 at least), social integration (sharing, liking, profiles and etc). Quicker interface (quick join a game, play as download, instant start, sleep, background installing). Also if you haven't been a PC gamer it is quite a big jump, of course for PC gamers there is no difference. Games like Battlefield 4, Killzone, Assassins Creed look way better than games on PS3 and 360.
 
The PS4/XBO generation is the first in my life-- I turn 42 this year-- that I won't be participating in. It's significant because there had always been something in each generation before that grabbed my attention, but there is literally nothing for this one.

Moving to the SNES to the NES was an easy decision because the visuals were sharper, there was stereo sound, there was a mix of existing and new franchises at or near launch, and the controller was more evolved with extra buttons for more functions.

Moving from the SNES to the PlayStation was easy because the 3D visuals that Nintendo had teased us with via StarFox and Stunt Race FX (or what SEGA did with Virtua Racing for the Genesis) were better (and more consistently) executed on Sony's machine. Ridge Racer absolutely sold me. The evolution to CD for bigger games and better sound also was a factor.

The Dreamcast was, to me, a huge leap from the PlayStation. When I saw Sonic Adventure for the first time in 1999, I was blown away by the texture detail. Arcade ports like NFL Blitz, Hydro Thunder, and NBA Showtime were as close to their coin-op counterparts as I had ever seen. The PlayStation 2 and Gamecube were both big jumps from their predecessors as well. Going from Rogue Squadron on the N64 to Rogue Leader on the Gamecube was shocking. NHL 2001 on the PS2 was faster and smoother (except for a few bouts of slowdown at center ice) than most of the PlayStation games, and Ridge Racer V had the new-gen facelift that I was hoping for.

Overall, the jump from the 32/64-bit generation to the PS2/GC/Xbox generation was the most significant for me.

The Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were HD, which was significant, even though 30fps was pretty much the rule (which took some getting used to). The introduction of the Achievement system for the 360 hooked me early, and persistent online leaderboards always gave me new scoring goals to shoot for. Then the Wii made motion controls standard and I wound up bowling hundreds of frames in Wii Sports. The Wii also brought new life to light gun games, so playing Ghost Squad or Target: Terror felt and responded more like their coin-op brethren than ever as the Wiimote was quite accurate.

With this new generation, though, aside from prettier visuals... there's nothing for me. The graphics are better, but not to the extent of a jump that we saw in generations past. For the first time, there wasn't anything at launch for any of the consoles that grabbed my attention enough to make me feel like I had to have them. Perhaps game streaming and recording of footage is the big new thing-- much like the jump to HD and maturation of online play last gen, or the big leap in visual quality in the generation before-- but that doesn't resonate with me, personally.

Admittedly, carryover and/or extension of things that gradually made me more cynical of console gaming last gen to this gen plays a role, too. Focus on multiplayer and "constantly connected, social worlds" over solo play (which I strongly prefer) has been a turn off. Microtransactions are almost invasive now. DLC continues to be a real sticking point for me. The move to digital and required installs make hard drive space scarce, and the inevitability of having to buy a bigger hard drive or having to continually "clean out the fridge" is something I don't wish to do again.

I'm sure that this gen will eventually have its impressive moments, and there will be times when I might feel the temptation to buy in... but I just don't see enough now or in the future to impress me enough to join in.
 
as a guy who has had a console in every generation (and pc's prior), despite my ps4 wiping the floor with the others (Atari 400 (games on cassettes yo), Atari 800xl, sega master system with 3D and light gun), genesis with CD, ps1,2,3), im so not excited to turn the machine on...probably cause there is little worth playing that screams next gen.

Im basically only playing through trine 2 with my 4yr old daughter, BF4 is collecting dust, the f2p games need some console UI love...even KZ4 only seems slightly better looking (and no better playing) than KZ2.

Driveclub may draw me in...and Im hoping that either Destiny or Division delivers that 'this wasnt possible before' feeling.

I guess thats what happens when you buy at launch.


Im playing DayZ on a crappy laptop mostly now, in all its pre-alpha jankyness its delivering a new experience and im loving it. I hope console developers can become 25% as creative as this in terms of player experience.
 
I'm afraid a good part of this is that you are getting older, BigDaddyFatSack.

The other part is diminishing returns, but you would be as excited as before if you were a little kid/teen.

Get some new experiences and you will feel the same rush as before, even for gaming. It's all about appreciating the little things again.
 
In case it hasn't been said enough, try something radically different.

By 2010, I was tired of mainstream console garbage, so I switched over to PC and started playing indie games, different genres, different input most of the time (KB/M). I really started enjoying myself much more after that. Now i'm back into consoles a little bit after he break, but I have the diversity angle covered.
 
In case it hasn't been said enough, try something radically different.

By 2010, I was tired of mainstream console garbage, so I switched over to PC and started playing indie games, different genres, different input most of the time (KB/M). I really started enjoying myself much more after that. Now i'm back into consoles a little bit after he break, but I have the diversity angle covered.

I think this is important, and can make a big difference in how you feel about the state of gaming. I go through phases where I only play AAA FPS console games, or Nintendo platformers, or MMO's, or indie point-n-click adventures, or JRPGs, or...etc. etc.

Ironically, this new console generation seems to have pushed me towards spending more time on handheld and iOS games. My 'bone isn't getting dusty quite yet, but I only seem to want to play it in 30 minute chunks here and there.
 
They are getting less impressivle lately but not gradually. My first reactions to generations were like this:

NES: Amazing! Side scrolling games! Sports games! REAL action games! This is just like arcade, I don't need to spend tons of money at the machines anymore! (Excitement level: *****)

SNES/Megadrive: What? This is what the call "Super"? That's not even arcade level. They could create this games on NES if they have tried. (Excitement level: **)

N64/PSOne/Saturn: Wow, 3D games! Open world Mario! CD's! MGS look amazing! Horror games, that's a first! Music is awesome, and voice-overs! Was that a real CGI video I just saw? Amazing!(Excitement level: *****)

DC/PS2/GCN/Xbox: So, this is the Dreamcast? Well, games don't look much better than N64. ı mean, Goldeneye was awesome, but these? Meh. And PS2, some games look even worse than DC. DVD? That's OK. I guess. (Excitement level: * (it's fault of early release of Dreamcast)

Wii/PS3/360: That's it! I can finally taste the HD goodness of my new TV! 720p games are glorious! Downloadable games! Amazing online infrastructure! Wow this new Mario Galaxy games play awesome with this new Wiimote! (Excitement level: *****)

This gen: So what now? True 1080p? No? This Killzone game... looks better than 3? I can't tell actually, 3 looked pretty good too. Microtransactions in console games? Meh.

I'm pretty sure the 9th gen will surprise me even better. Whatever big three are working on right now, holograms, VR sets, anything, will be sooo much more different and fresh than current gen.
 
Updates as we go definitely muddys the water. Hardware specs might be static, but the software and the experience is fluid. It changes and morphs as we go.

Hell even the 3ds is getting big updates like Miiverse. The same will be said about the Xbone and PS4. Hell we know of stuff planned that hasn't made it in yet.

You just have to let it play out. I mean the PS3 is a killer console, but it was all kinds of a fucked up experience at launch. You compare that to thr launch PS4 experience and it's night and day.

Considering things update as they go now you might not always get the feeling though!
 
People are mentioning the high end graphics cards as a reason. I'm wondering, are you being spoiled by seeing screenshots or videos of games running on those cards or playing on it first hand or is there something else? Your console is still a fair step up from your last console.
 
SNES/Megadrive: What? This is what the call "Super"? That's not even arcade level. They could create this games on NES if they have tried. (Excitement level: **)

during the Mega Drive and SNES era there were systems that matched arcade quality but they were niche. you had to be a hardcore gamer back then.

Both consoles (Neo Geo, 3DO, Jaguar, NEC PC Engine) and computers (Amiga, AtariST, IBM PC, Sharp X68000).

Eg the best version of Mortal Kombat was on PC, Strider on Sharp X68000 and SF2 on 3DO.
 
There is some merit to this, I mean obviously the jump from 2D sprites to 3D polygons was mind blowing.

I will say, though that it is more of a leap than most people think in terms of detail. A lot of it is memory, like someone else said ITT.

I mean I'll see people saying things now like "Assassin's Creed Liberation HD looks like a PS2 game." Umm no. Go turn your PS2 on because you forgot what PS2 games look like.
 
Hundreds of posts later, it's definitely just the OP, in spite of numerous posts agreeing with the OP.

Maybe not just him, but just them?

The new consoles are still extremely impressive this time around. It doesn't surprise me that there are some cynical, jaded people out there who can't appreciate them, but there's nothing "less impressive" about the PS4 than the PS3 or PS2 or whatever.


People are mentioning the high end graphics cards as a reason. I'm wondering, are you being spoiled by seeing screenshots or videos of games running on those cards or playing on it first hand or is there something else? Your console is still a fair step up from your last console.

I dunno, but I have a high end PC and these new consoles are still impressing me with what they can do. Anyone who claims otherwise should boot up Tomb Raider on the PS3 and then boot it up on the PS4 and try and tell us with a straight face it's not an impressive leap. Anyone who claims as much is someone whose opinion you can easily dismiss because they're either blind or full of it.
 
even KZ4 only seems slightly better looking (and no better playing) than KZ2.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys might need an HD display upgrade or something.

There should be a rather large improvement between Killzone 2 and Killzone: Shadow Fall unless you are playing it on a standard definition console TV from the 60's or something... ;)


People need to remember it's not like older system upgrades.. 8-bit to 16-bit, 16 to 32, etc...We are no longer talking about obvious upgrades such as increased color palettes or larger sprites. We are dealing with more subtle improvements such as smoother frame rates, longer draw distances, better T&L, 1080p as default. It's not just about the graphics either. It'd better A.I., better interface options, and probably the single most important improvement....the ability for programmers to easily take advantage of the capabilities without struggling.
 
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