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[Dmi3k]

To the people saying that this is possible because you will be upgrading an existing PC, which will drive the cost down:

To compare apples to apples, the hypothetical console user will also be upgrading from an Xbox One to an Xbox One X. This will bring the Xbox One X price down to under $399.

 

[brunomartynhak]

Well, don't they? I upgrade my GPU every two years to the best available, gone 780ti > 980ti > 1080ti and the savings on games has covered he upgrades (I never traded games when on console) so other than the initial outlay, which was admittedly large (about $2000 in my case) the ongoing costs are roughly the same as console for me.

Similar situation there.

But on topic, I wouldn't build these super budget PCs unless it is for PC exclusive games only and you will want to keep a console as your main platform.
Cheap on CPU and later it will bottleneck a future GPU upgrade. I think it is better to go all in with CPU, mobo and PSU and then get the most recent mid-range to high-ish GPU (480,1060,1070).

 

[kevm3]

You will almost always get more power per dollar buying a console, especially since developers are working with a fixed set of specs and can also code to the metal. Even if you match the console's specs directly, due to the aforementioned aspects, you will get better performance out of a console.

I don't really see the purpose of jumping into pc gaming if you're just trying to match a console's specs. Might as well just buy the console since you don't have to sit around waiting for deals and spend time putting everything together. PC gaming shines when you have enough money to put together a rig that blows past consoles.

Putting together a 'gaming rig' to play the latest games at $500 would almost be a waste of money other than just to see if you can do it since you will be compromising in so many areas, whether that be buying a cheaper motherboard, processor, power supply, etc.

 

[Durante]

I don't really see the purpose of jumping into pc gaming if you're just trying to match a console's specs. Might as well just buy the console since you don't have to sit around waiting for deals and spend time putting everything together. PC gaming shines when you have enough money to put together a rig that blows past consoles.

Well, or when you want to play some of the hundreds of exclusives.

Or make your own tradeoffs between IQ and framerate.

 

[Christocolus]

Potatomasher series on YouTube. Check it out, Things aren't like for like. If I'm not mistaken the scorpion is a modified 480x gpu. Your telling me a PC with a 480x (overclocked or not) with an old overclocked cpu or just a new i3 will not outperform a Scorpio your mad. It will play the same 4k same settings at higher resolution for the simple fact of CUP power.

Yup, don't even have a drive in my gaming PC. For all those Xbox fans that said digital is the future sure are stuck on "but my 4k drive". Your bias is showing.

Lol. Wut? Why so defensive? The argument is about building a PC with the same performance as XB1X @ $499 and you said it is possible.

This is BS no matter how you cut it. Day and date of XBX release PCs with a budget card will outperform it in 4k. That CPU is a bottle neck.

No need to dwell on this. I'm going with your initial statement. When the console comes out in November we will know if $499 PCs will match its performance.

 

[Herp Derpington]

Well, or when you want to play some of the hundreds of exclusives.

Or make your own tradeoffs between IQ and framerate.

There's no tradeoff worth going through the hassle to build an X or Pro level PC. The other poster was right on. If you're going the PC route you're not trying to build the cheapest machine you can to get acceptable performance compared to the consoles; you're doing it to build a machine that blows well past them. People have a habit of justifying bad purchase decisions when they don't need to. I'm not saying everyone should get 1080s with i7s and spend 2 or 3 grand on a build but if you're building for anything less than a grand you're probably doing it wrong.

 

[Coffinhal]

Well, or when you want to play some of the hundreds of exclusives.

Or make your own tradeoffs between IQ and framerate.

Custom controllers/MK, backward compatibility with settings available, cheaper prices (or even piracy because let's be honest people do that do), emulation, unusual aspect ratios, free online, upgrability etc.

You don't need the biggest specs for all of that, especially if you're a budget and doesn't care about the best graphics (it's not the average gaffer but the average PC gamer that doesn't post on forums)

 

[ViciousDS]

no but for $500-$600


I can tell you, your CPU will be light years above the spec of the garbage Jaguar though......so in the long run you will initially spend more. But after that your HDD, Power Supply and possibly RAM can remain for awhile due to DDR4 just releasing.

In the long run you will spend less but the initial investment will be more....but far worth it. You don't have to worry about your accessories going defunct every generation or your games for the most part not being compatible down the road.

 

[GodofWine]

What is the CPU equivalent?

Im guessing its a low i3, perhaps a pentium g4560 / g4620 would equal this jaguar thing in there (probably actually better)...then to run 4K/30 (no one would build a 4k/30 PC) you'd have to bottleneck the crap out of the system with a rx480 to 1070 (lets call it a 580 then). But the Xbox X is bottlenecked at the CPU something fierce.


Really quick/rough build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - H110I PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($106.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Raidmax - XT 500W ATX Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $583.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 10:34 EDT-0400

Edit - here are two vids of a $450-$500 build running Dirt Rally and BF4 at 4K/30+ (I actually have this cpu/gpu combo, and built it with 16gb ram for $450 shopping sales)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59nBEOqcj88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pximPjK0PSk

 

[Clarkus Darkus]

How about for £499 as it's way more expensive here, Doubt you could build one better with all the fittings and power.

 

[Compsiox]

There's no tradeoff worth going through the hassle to build an X or Pro level PC. The other poster was right on. If you're going the PC route you're not trying to build the cheapest machine you can to get acceptable performance compared to the consoles; you're doing it to build a machine that blows well past them. People have a habit of justifying bad purchase decisions when they don't need to. I'm not saying everyone should get 1080s with i7s and spend 2 or 3 grand on a build but if you're building for anything less than a grand you're probably doing it wrong.

What. There are many amazing exclusive games on PC that don't require an amazing PC. This is dumb.

 

[Fatmanp]

Another point to consider is that it building a PC to match the performance of an Xbox X is a terrible idea.

This is the real key to any PC v XOneX argument. No PC gamer is really going to spend $500-$700 to play the vast majority of their games at 30fps regardless of resolution. With a PC you go in aiming for 60fps with high settings as your benchmark and then budget around what resolution you are aiming for. If it is 1080p then you would be looking at this price point.

 

[rokkerkory]

Gluck!

 

[Weevilone]

Building a PC with Xbox One X specifications will cost you at least $600

http://www.icxm.net/x/pc-build-with-xbox-one-x-specs-will-cost-over-600-dollars.html

The problem is that most people wouldn't be able to limit themselves with these parts. There is a bunch of stuff there that I wouldn't have any part of, and that's true of the necessary price range in general.

Plus, as was mentioned, that build still comes up short on UHD drive and form factor.

 

[rtcn63]

There's no tradeoff worth going through the hassle to build an X or Pro level PC. The other poster was right on. If you're going the PC route you're not trying to build the cheapest machine you can to get acceptable performance compared to the consoles; you're doing it to build a machine that blows well past them. People have a habit of justifying bad purchase decisions when they don't need to. I'm not saying everyone should get 1080s with i7s and spend 2 or 3 grand on a build but if you're building for anything less than a grand you're probably doing it wrong.

I've seen enough people ask for low-budget gaming PC recommendations. I mean, there are CPU + GPU's on the market specifically for that audience. The G4560 + 1050ti (or RX470... if you can find one) combo in particular. And considering how inexpensive games can be (even ignoring bundle sites like Humble), the PC-route can be VERY wallet friendly over time. Hell, some people don't pay for games at all because there's a significant F2P library and giveaways of older titles are routine.

You can even run some indie and older 3D games on integrated graphics... to mostly playable levels.

 

[ViolentP]

I understand that. But MS is pushing this as a true 4K gaming machine and every initial report I've read doesn't give me any reason to believe their entire campaign is a lie.

So even just knowing that, I have a PC with a 1070 in it and that doesn't run 4K great when you're talking about a large scale graphically intesive game.

Microsoft has already introduced the notion of checkerboard rendering on the X. To me, another reason why numbers alone should not be the metric as ultimately it will be a question of how it is utilized that will determine what we are comparing against.

This is the real key to any PC v XOneX argument. No PC gamer is really going to spend $500-$700 to play the vast majority of their games at 30fps regardless of resolution. With a PC you go in aiming for 60fps with high settings as your benchmark and then budget around what resolution you are aiming for. If it is 1080p then you would be looking at this price point.

Indeed. You don't build a PC to emulate a console. For that, purchase the console. The PC offers the option of a greater RoI if you choose to capitalize at the onset.

 

[EvB]

Another point to consider is that it building a PC to match the performance of an Xbox X is a terrible idea.

Why?

Isn't the argument normally that a console user doesn't require 4K but a PC user requires more resolution due to distance from the screen?

 

[Adam_802]

It's a great price, give it a rest.

This. $499 is great value for a 4k/30 fps console, with some games even hitting 60.

 

[RedFury]

Lol. Wut? Why so defensive? The argument is about building a PC with the same performance as XB1X @ $499 and you said it is possible.




No need to dwell on this. I'm going with your initial statement. When the console comes out in November we will know if $499 PCs will match its performance.

Stating a fact is defensive now? Lol ok. I'm literally just laughing at the line of thought. Keep an eye out for the potato masher series for a new build. Also if I may ask do you own an X1 and do you plan on getting XBX?

 

[Zombie James]

What is the CPU equivalent?

Im guessing its a low i3, perhaps a pentium g4560 / g4620 would equal this jaguar thing in there (probably actually better)...then to run 4K/30 (no one would build a 4k/30 PC) you'd have to bottleneck the crap out of the system with a rx480 to 1070 (lets call it a 580 then). But the Xbox X is bottlenecked at the CPU something fierce.


Really quick/rough build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - H110I PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($106.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Raidmax - XT 500W ATX Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $583.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 10:34 EDT-0400

No UHD Blu-ray, no OS.

Same thing as the article that was posted earlier; why intentionally leave out parts that a) make the system incomplete or unusable (an operating system) and b) are lesser than the system you're comparing it to (substituting DVD for Blu-ray)?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

I dont know why someone building a gaming PC today would go for a CPU equivalent of the one in the Xbox One X

 

[prag16]

Probably not, but I could pop a 1070 into my existing 5+ year old rig and nuke xbonex from orbit.

Doesn't make xbonex a bad deal for people who want it. People who were hoping for $399 were nuts from the get go.

 

[Apparition]

You can get very close if you omit items like the W10 license and BR player. This is with current hardware... and the X box one x isn't even out yet. If you build a PC during the launch window (holiday sales + slightly improved hardware hitting the market) it'll easily beat the X box one x. The fact is consoles will always be inferior to gaming PCs from a processing PoV.

Just because time passes doesn't mean all parts will get cheaper. Some items like RAM can go up and down quite a bit. You might omit the UHD BD drive if you don't need it but omitting the cost of OS is strange. That said, you won't have to break the bank. You can get a cheaper price for W10 if you buy OEM, or buy one of those grey market keys.

I also don't think it's a good idea to build a compromised PC just to match. Buying outdated stuff can lock your upgrade path and your resale value will plummet a lot. You will get more uses for your PC but you will have to remember that while the PC is more versatile, usability fir certain features will not match 100%.

I also think you should look at the price of ownership for at least a few years and take that into account. Things like the price of games, and also online subscription services, OS, and software resaleability (or the lack thereof) among others should be all accounted for and not just the initial cost of hardware.

 

[TheExodu5]

Absolutely not. A fully modular solution will never be price competitive to an embedded one.

 

[ViolentP]

Why?

Isn't the argument normally that a console user doesn't require 4K but a PC user requires more resolution due to distance from the screen?

I've personally never made that argument. The reason why I think it's pointless to build a $500 PC is because it requires sacrifices that to me aren't worth it. At that pricepoint, go the console. But the more you invest initially on a PC, the more you will save in the coming years. It's a strong consideration to make when building in my opinion.

For example:

A $500 PC will perform somewhere around the current gen of consoles. But while those consoles will strive for 5-6 years, the PC will be hitting a barrier in 2. At that point, you can begin upgrading components while suffering from other bottlenecks and maybe squeeze another 2 years out of it.

Or you could spend $1000 up front, surpass console performance, and be good for 4 years with the option to extend that with component upgrades.

Also, I'm hypothesizing some of these numbers as the price market fluctuates and the configuration options are almost infinite, but the base principle is sound.

 

[hanspampel]

What is the CPU equivalent?

Im guessing its a low i3, perhaps a pentium g4560 / g4620 would equal this jaguar thing in there (probably actually better)...then to run 4K/30 (no one would build a 4k/30 PC) you'd have to bottleneck the crap out of the system with a rx480 to 1070 (lets call it a 580 then). But the Xbox X is bottlenecked at the CPU something fierce.


Really quick/rough build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

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Edit - here are two vids of a $450-$500 build running Dirt Rally and BF4 at 4K/30+ (I actually have this cpu/gpu combo, and built it with 16gb ram for $450 shopping sales)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59nBEOqcj88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pximPjK0PSk

4GB RX580 for 4k?

 

[clem84]

It's a closed system, designed for very specific things. It doesn't include anything it doesn't need.

Unsurprisingly, no you can't.

 

[bachikarn]

I understand that. But MS is pushing this as a true 4K gaming machine and every initial report I've read doesn't give me any reason to believe their entire campaign is a lie.

So even just knowing that, I have a PC with a 1070 in it and that doesn't run 4K great when you're talking about a large scale graphically intesive game.

You might want to check out this thread

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1390700

 

[RedFury]

I dont know why someone building a gaming PC today would go for a CPU equivalent of the one in the Xbox One X

My thought exactly, it's why it pales in comparison to budget Pcs. I say the argument is stupid if you want to argue up front cost. Argue consumer cost at a glance and yeah it looks good. Consider consumer cost for first year or worse off (for consoles that is) the span of a generation and it's completely lopsided. Your PC will be able to play "next gen" games that your console can't. It's all a pointless argument to be straight. When I talk about these things I talk about them as you and I the consumer. What's best for your wallet and mine. Arguing upfront cost on a fixed console vs a generationless one is a being dishonest and a disservice imo. Who are you looking out for the consumer or a corporation. Imo PC is a better investment no matter how you see it. It's your box you make it what you want it to be, to fit your form and function. If you want to argue these things please let represent all the facts and not just the ones you want to argue.

 

[rtcn63]

4GB RX580 for 4k?

If you lower the settings enough. Most console games likely won't be doing (native) 4K/ultra or even high (it's usually a mixture of settings), at least not past 30fps. http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2882-msi-rx-580-gaming-x-review-vs-gtx-1060/page-5

(These benches are done with an i7 + 8GB 580, but resolution is known to be heavily GPU-dependent... it gives you an idea at least. 4k/medium/30 doesn't seem entirely unfeasible.)

 

[GodofWine]

4GB RX580 for 4k?

Sure, you don't think XBX is going to do 4K on high settings do you?

Those two video's I posted show Dirt Rally and BF4 running at 4K on a 1050ti / g4560 at over 30fps, low settings (but still looks nice, 'LOW' of today is not the polygonal washed out mess that 'LOW' was a decade ago).

That jaguar cpu is gonna be taxed at those resolutions, but its water cooled and I guess it'll do it at 30fps.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

This is the real key to any PC v XOneX argument. No PC gamer is really going to spend $500-$700 to play the vast majority of their games at 30fps regardless of resolution. With a PC you go in aiming for 60fps with high settings as your benchmark and then budget around what resolution you are aiming for. If it is 1080p then you would be looking at this price point.

Agreed. I think the vast majority who would build a Pc with intention of gaming would sacrifice fps when putting together a parts list

 

[outunderthestars]

No UHD Blu-ray, no OS.

Same thing as the article that was posted earlier; why intentionally leave out parts that a) make the system incomplete or unusable (an operating system) and b) are lesser than the system you're comparing it to (substituting DVD for Blu-ray)?

forgot the controller as well....

 

[Spasm]

No UHD Blu-ray, no OS.

Same thing as the article that was posted earlier; why intentionally leave out parts that a) make the system incomplete or unusable (an operating system) and b) are lesser than the system you're comparing it to (substituting DVD for Blu-ray)?

Everyone's also leaving out input methods. No KBMs, no controllers.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[RedFury]

Probably not, but I could pop a 1070 into my existing 5+ year old rig and nuke xbonex from orbit.

Doesn't make xbonex a bad deal for people who want it. People who were hoping for $399 were nuts from the get go.

No in fact I think it's an GOOD deal if you don't care about PC gaming what so ever AND YOU DONT ALREADY OWN AN X1. Console vs PC isn't even a fair fight don't know why you guys even make the argument. It's annoying to watch someone who already owns an x1 who is now "upgrading" to a XbX that not a 499 dollar investment. That's 499 (if you bought at launch like me) + 499 XbX if you buy at launch. Why worry about PC when your going to have a hard time selling this to the general consumer over a 4k Capel machine that's 100 dollars less. Let's argue that first.

Everyone's also leaving out input methods. No KBMs, no controllers.

Edit: Beaten.

forgot the controller as well....

These are stupid arguments unless you also want to argue price of games, subscription services, etc which far outweigh the other in a years time after that it's a landslide.

 

[Apt101]

No checkerboard rendering on a PC. Maybe no HDR? I have no idea. Sure it might not be native 4K for most games, but who cares? It looks 4K to my lying eyes, and HDR is magnificent. So even if something as powerful can be built for $500, it's still not going to produce as nice of results. Better results at 1080p, though.

 

[Kieli]

Nope. And even if it performed about well in terms of pure FPS, it'd skimp on a lot of parts that you shouldn't be skimping on.

It's a fine price for its performance; it's just that the price is still too high for the console market. Might as well put in a couple hundred more and get a decent gaming PC.

 

[RedFury]

No checkerboard rendering on a PC. Maybe no HDR? I have no idea. Sure it might not be native 4K for most games, but who cares? It looks 4K to my lying eyes, and HDR is magnificent. So even if something as powerful can be built for $500, it's still not going to produce as nice of results. Better results at 1080p, though.

1. This is miss informed.
2. Some games do checkerboard rendering and offer hdr. I think that's great for middling PCs nothing wrong with that.
3. With that argument you made tell me why a 100 dollar cheaper PS4pro 4k 30fps is not the same as XbX 4k 30fps?
4. Stop making console to PC arguments, you won't win. Worry about the console space first because that uphill fight us going to be tough.

 

[Bolivar687]

Something to keep in mind - while you may need to go a bit farther in price for a 4k30fps equivalent PC, you can definitely build something similarly priced with an i5 and a 570 that will play 1080p60fps high/ultra, whereas in many games, the XBX will never go beyond 30fps.

 

[Jams775]

No checkerboard rendering on a PC. Maybe no HDR? I have no idea. Sure it might not be native 4K for most games, but who cares? It looks 4K to my lying eyes, and HDR is magnificent. So even if something as powerful can be built for $500, it's still not going to produce as nice of results. Better results at 1080p, though.

There was a digital foundry video where they talked about things pc devs can learn from ps4 pro. Some games had dynamic resolutions and I think even checkerboard (watchdogs 2?). But those have to be coded into the specific game. Another option was a custom resolution that's like about ~80-85% of 4k that will allow either 30 or 60 fps with a resolution that is close enough to not be able to tell a difference at couch sitting distance.

They got quite a few games at 4k 30 using these techniques on a 1060. I've used the custom resolution one myself to get a bump in frame rate on my 1070.

Regarding building a PC instead of xBONEx
I'd say spend the extra $200+ and get a decent PC that'll last you a while, or just get the console. I wouldn't recommend trying to compromise.

 

[Zombie James]

These are stupid arguments unless you also want to argue price of games, subscription services, etc which far outweigh the other in a years time after that it's a landslide.

A controller is a piece of hardware included with the system at $499. If you want to build an equivalent PC, how are you going to play anything without including an input method? Or an operating system?

These are basics.

 

[hooligan]

No UHD Blu-ray, no OS.

Same thing as the article that was posted earlier; why intentionally leave out parts that a) make the system incomplete or unusable (an operating system) and b) are lesser than the system you're comparing it to (substituting DVD for Blu-ray)?

That case looks like hot garbage. People are leaving out just how expensive it is to reproduce the xbox one x form factor. What is really apples to apples is a custom sized motherboard a custom sized power supply a custom sized gpu custom sized memory chips and finally a tiny custom case to fit it all without blowing up and overheating.

 

[Spasm]

These are stupid arguments unless you also want to argue price of games, subscription services, etc which far outweigh the other in a years time after that it's a landslide.

A method to actually interact with your system is a basic requirement. A subscription is not.

Xbox comes with a controller, a list of pc parts should also. Throw in an extra $3 for an HDMI cable while you're at it.

Edit: Beaten again, lol.

 

[RedFury]

A controller is a piece of hardware included with the system at $499. If you want to build an equivalent PC, how are you going to play anything without including an input method? Or an operating system?

These are basics.

Like I said your arguing upfront cost yes it's a good console at the price.
1. If you don't care about PC at all.
2. If you don't already own an X1 or PS4.
3. You care about Halo, Forza, Years, SoT, etc

It's a terrible UPGRADE. Yes the gulf is greater from X1 to XbX than Ps4 to Pro BUT SO IS THE PRICE. You guys keep arguing against PCs but tell me why I should buy this console over a console that can also do 4k at 100 dollars less besides the 3 points I stated. That's your competition, things aren't like for like.

A method to actually interact with your system is a basic requirement. A subscription L not.

Xbox comes with a controller, a list of pc parts should also. Throw in an extra $3 for an HDMI cable while you're at it.

Lmao you guys are fucking delusional. Ok let's argue all the fact not just the ones that fit your narrative. I've already stated why it's a good package. Just not a fair comparison to PC if you have any kind of objectivity.

Edit: Also I'm not talking about the build above I'm talking generally. To me OS is included in the argument that's part of a system. Please tell me you understand how stupid arguing about an HDMI cable sounds yet you continue to ignore my other points. Yes I don't argue that PC upfront cost is more but more consumer friendly no matter how you cut it given your a bit tech savvy. Stop with the stupid argument please and let's cover ALL the facts not just the one you want to.

 

[Mandoric]

A controller is a piece of hardware included with the system at $499. If you want to build an equivalent PC, how are you going to play anything without including an input method? Or an operating system?

These are basics.

OS is a fair-ish point, but the $100 Win10 retail pack isn't the whole story. OEM copies, completely legitimate, live in the $20-$40 range depending on whether you want 7 or 10. Certainly cheaper than even your first year of online service charges, the console equivalent, and buys you 3 years (Win7) or lifetime of the hardware (Win10).

A perfectly usable KB/M combo, comparable to a packin controller, is $15-$20 territory. Are there $200 keyboards? Sure. There are also $200 arcade sticks.

 

[GodofWine]

A controller is a piece of hardware included with the system at $499. If you want to build an equivalent PC, how are you going to play anything without including an input method? Or an operating system?

These are basics.

But it cost $60 a year to 'play online' on console (I have had a console for 30 years, and love what they do, and will continue too, so Im not on any side), and games usually cost more. The 'extras' kinda wash out. A one time purchase of W10 for $90 vs. XBL for $50-60 a year for 5 years...

PC games are usually cheaper too, I got PubG for $30 on PC, it won't cost $30 on XBX. And most will buy a second $60 controller. (or a third and fourth)

But one can splurge on KBM set ups too on PC, or go cheap (I got a $10 mouse and a $29 mech keyboard that work well), so I just kinda priced it "box v box", assuming the rest somehow equals out (though its probably cheaper on PC)

Both have their advantages, and anytime we try to 'build' a console these 'debates' happen.

 

[MilkyJoe]

What is the CPU equivalent?

Im guessing its a low i3, perhaps a pentium g4560 / g4620 would equal this jaguar thing in there (probably actually better)...then to run 4K/30 (no one would build a 4k/30 PC) you'd have to bottleneck the crap out of the system with a rx480 to 1070 (lets call it a 580 then). But the Xbox X is bottlenecked at the CPU something fierce.


Really quick/rough build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - H110I PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($106.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill - FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Raidmax - XT 500W ATX Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $583.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 10:34 EDT-0400

Edit - here are two vids of a $450-$500 build running Dirt Rally and BF4 at 4K/30+ (I actually have this cpu/gpu combo, and built it with 16gb ram for $450 shopping sales)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59nBEOqcj88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pximPjK0PSk

Xbox One controller for Windows 10 - $50
Windows 10 OEM key - $30
HDMI cable - $5

Total - 668

 

[Zombie James]

But it cost $60 a year to 'play online' on console (I have had a console for 30 years, and love what they do, and will continue too, so Im not on any side), and games usually cost more. The 'extras' kinda wash out. A one time purchase of W10 for $90 vs. XBL for $50-60 a year for 5 years...

Xbox Live is an optional service. An operating system is a requirement.

 

[SmokedMeat]

A controller is a piece of hardware included with the system at $499. If you want to build an equivalent PC, how are you going to play anything without including an input method? Or an operating system?

These are basics.

By the same token PCs come equipped with free online gaming. So tack an extra $60 on the Xbox system for your first year of online gaming.

 

[Spasm]

Lmao you guys are ducking delusional. Ok let's argue all the fact not just the ones that fit your narrative. I've already stated why it's a good package. Just not a fair comparison to PC if you have any kind of objectivity.

Calm down. This is a fascinating exercise, and if we're going to do it, we might as well try and get as apples-to-apples as possible.