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[Sethbacca]

Classic Leftist Gaslighting at Display

I was gonna stay out of this thread, but I did want to thank you for proving my point that these conversations are inherently political and don't belong here. Good job.

 

[Gonzito]

I was gonna stay out of this thread, but I did want to thank you for proving my point that these conversations are inherently political and don't belong here. Good job.

Yeah you should've stayed out instead of making a fool of yourself here I agree

 

[Kacho]

Ask Asmon.....He'll tell ya.

There's an endless amount of content

 

[Idleyes]

That a very concise summary of a conversation with someone I had over dinner that had worked in the music industry. Nobody round that table was black.

To be honest, I have more respect for people who are honest about who holds the power than institutions that perform inclusivity for appearances while changing nothing underneath. Symbolism without substance is an insult. IMHO black people don't need a seat at someone else's table to succeed. The problem only begins when the people at that table use their power to block our ability to build our own.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I've seen this type of tactic before. This person knows the problem is real but he wants you to believe that everything around wokism is just in your head, its just your imagination and is not a big deal lol

Classic Leftist Gaslighting at Display

 

[Venom Snake]

Make one main thread for this shit instead of spamming small ones for each game individually.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Okay, something happened. I'm going to read this, "Is Mina the Hollower woke slop?" thread now.

 

[MiguelItUp]

That account sure has some interesting things to say, lmao.

 

[Toots]

at this point these threads are just trolling/spam and the mods are right to kill them off.
Make a "Worst offenders" collection thread for that stuff and let both parties duke it out in there.

Again with the tired unfunny takes...
Can't you ask Romulus and Remus to post instead of you ?
Don't you have Gay Rome to establish or something ?

 

[Filben]

I vigorously use the ignore feature of the forum for threads and people who piss me off.

 

[BennyBlanco]

That account sure has some interesting things to say, lmao.

Not familiar and don't follow them but the quote is 100% accurate

 

[Bojji]

Some people are trying hard to confuse others (and themselves).

Is screwdriver telling you to do push ups if you misgender someone? Videogames are doing it...

 

[Cumulus]

Again with the tired unfunny takes...
Can't you ask Romulus and Remus to post instead of you ?
Don't you have Gay Rome to establish or something ?

Sometimes it's shocking just how hard the education system can fail some people....

Sorry, but I'm not into prepubescent humour. Ignored.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Where is the "Is Bond slop?" thread? Was is closed?

 

[Three]

People are just sick of it. Look at the reaction to Christopher Nolan's Odyssey. I'm not paying $70 to be lectured by enlightened Redditors. You do whatever you want with your money.

but then why do you not do this for the screwdriver if you're sick of it?

I get that you might not like some content like Christopher Nolan's Odyssey but often it isn't about the product and more kicking up a fuss about political views outside of content. That's the whole point of Guardian Monkeys post. Don't buy the rainbow coloured screwdriver because it isn't to your taste but why do some care if the manufacturer donated to BLM for example but makes a regular screwdriver? What does that change about the game or the regular red screwdriver they might have sold you? There is no excusing that behaviour where we try to seek some stupid political divide outside of the actual product. You don't do that for other things.

 

[StueyDuck]

Wokeness and slopness deserve to be called out.

Those against that just wanna gaslight.

Things should be criticized for what they are.

The woke threads will only go away when game devs stop putting their activist shit into games

 

[Kacho]

Not familiar and don't follow them but the quote is 100% accurate

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the person") is a logical fallacy where you attack the person making an argument instead of addressing the substance of their claim. It avoids genuine debate by substituting factual refutation with personal insults, irrelevancies, or attacks on character.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Stop injecting that stuff into games and the threads can stop (at least until people find something else to complain about ). A single subtle scene wouldn't be enough to land on most people's radars, it's a different thing when you feel like the whole product has been infested with it.

I am definitely in favor of every single woke slop getting called out instead of merging it into one thread where it can be overlooked much easier.

 

[IDKFA]

The problem is there are many gamers who enjoy "woke", or a better term, progressive content. More power to them as well.

People should have the freedom to make whatever content they want, and others are free to enjoy said content. If it's too far left for your tastes then just ignore it. You're not forced to buy it.

Saying that, there are certain people who have taken over all forms of media with the aim of pushing their agenda and social engineering. This might sound like tin foil hat stuff, but it's been happening for a long time in plain sight. Look at the the Fabian Society in the UK as an example.

A lot of it is however innocent and not woke. I think that's the issue. The word is overused and has lost all meaning. So much so that people now roll their eyes at another "woke" claim and start to turn on the anti-woke crowd.

Thinking about it, that is actually a 4D chess move the Fabian Society would be proud of.......

 

[The artful mincer]

Like it's obviously political driven which this forum was supposed to have nuked from orbit...

Honestly it's most annoying when it pops up in normal threads and drowns out all the other discussion.

So I guess it's better having the woke slop contained to a dedicated thread than disrupting other threads.

I must admit it's disappointing that the official Saros thread only got 300 posts but the woke slop thread got over a 1000.

It's one of the best if not THE best playing 3rd person shooter. I thought gameplay was King and story didn't matter...

 

[justiceiro]

No. I wouldn't even know about these "game features" if was not for this forum obsession over pointing out every pink tshirts you can put on in games.

No sane person can take any of those threads serious.

 

[Cumulus]

I get that you might not like some content like Christopher Nolan's Odyssey but often it isn't about the product and more kicking up a fuss about political views outside of content. That's the whole point of Guardian Monkeys post. Don't buy the rainbow coloured screwdriver because it isn't to your taste but why do some care if the manufacturer donated to BLM for example but makes a regular screwdriver? What does that change about the game or the regular red screwdriver they might have sold you? There is no excusing that behaviour where we try to seek some stupid political divide outside of the actual product. You don't do that for other things.

Of course we do.
This isn't any different from hating on Nestle or the Fast-Fashion producers for making their profits with huge amounts of slave labour and environmental destruction.
The products don't have to be drenched in tears for people to not wish to support those entities.
The same goes for entertainment products... All products actually. If a manufacturer is supporting a certain agenda or operates in a way you completely reject, then why would you want to financially support that manufacturer in any way or form, regardless of the specific product or its qualities?

 

[Novaex]

nah, I like being informed when a game may contain woke crap. Just put the threads on ignore if they bother you so much. This thread gives some serious small dick Reseterra vibes.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

If it's just a joke/fad thread then yeah.

If it's a legit discussion about actual/perceived woke shit in the game then I think that's fine. Ignore the thread if it annoys you so much.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Some people are trying hard to confuse others (and themselves).

Is screwdriver telling you to do push ups if you misgender someone? Videogames are doing it...

Right but you're targeting specific games and events. The whole context is that people discriminate being woke vs non woke as much broader terms. Whereas some people are like too many colors, woke, etc. That's why I brought up other generic terms. Plus companies have affiliation with certain groups etc.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

nah, I like being informed when a game may contain woke crap. Just put the threads on ignore if they bother you so much. This thread gives some serious small dick Reseterra vibes.

I was thinking the same thing

 

[calico]

Presumably non-gaming related politics is what got nuked (at least as a general rule).

Not being able to discuss gaming-related politics would be very limiting when political activism has become the number one priority for most of the Western games industry (and Western mainstream media in general).

 

[Toots]

Sometimes it's shocking just how hard the education system can fail some people....

Sorry, but I'm not into prepubescent humour. Ignored.

Tu quoque mi sperma

Damn there is nothing worse than a dude hiding his intellectual shortcomings with this type of silly "im smarter than you" discourse.
You did not understand the joke, it is ok, but don't judge other when you are yourself painfully boring.

 

[Bojji]

Right but you're targeting specific games and events. The whole context is that people discriminate being woke vs non woke as much broader terms. Whereas some people are like too many colors, woke, etc. That's why I brought up other generic terms. Plus companies have affiliation with certain groups etc.

Even left wing Ai is doing pretty good summary of what "woke" in videogames is:

We don't have to guess. But "bisexual colors" are pretty much a good indicator nowadays of what devs are intending, lol.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Battleship really got to em eh..

 

[Three]

Wokeness and slopness deserve to be called out.

Those against that just wanna gaslight.

Things should be criticized for what they are.

The woke threads will only go away when game devs stop putting their activist shit into games

Except those threads exist even when they dont include anything in the game. Mina the Hollower being the most recent example. we even got a GTA6 slop thread before it's even out.
They're not going away because this is political movement shit, so they'll see woke in anything and try to make some people angry at the world. Haircuts, woke, Dragon quest being the most recent example of that. Scanned strippers face not to their taste, woke. Wearing a tracker vest? Woke.
This shit is perpetuated to divide people politically. They don't realise they're 'activists' constantly bringing their activist shit to games from another side. Most of it is timewasting, people are too preoccupied fighting these stupid culture wars over the most mundane things like the haircut of some lizard, while in reality they're getting fucked by a world where everything is getting more expensive and worse for more important things.

 

[Three]

Of course we do.
This isn't any different from hating on Nestle or the Fast-Fashion producers for making their profits with huge amounts of slave labour and environmental destruction.
The products don't have to be drenched in tears for people to not wish to support those entities.
The same goes for entertainment products... All products actually. If a manufacturer is supporting a certain agenda or operates in a way you completely reject, then why would you want to financially support that manufacturer in any way or form, regardless of the specific product or its qualities?

But do you check if your screwdriver is made by somebody who donated to BLM? Would it matter even? Would you not buy a screwdriver if you found out somebody on the assembly line was a lesbian? I personally couldn't care less but that's just me. As long as I liked the screwdriver as a product I really couldn't give a rats ass.

 

[Bernardougf]

Those who dont want threads about woke slop can immediately ignore them.. just like they have easily ignored the woke slop in games for about +/-11 years now and counting

 

[Cumulus]

But do you check if your screwdriver is made by somebody who donated to BLM?

If that information is at all accessible to me. Yes it would matter very much and I would choose a different brand. That you pretend this isn't normal is kinda hilarious when "brand image" is exactly what I just described and absolutely is a decisive factor for most people's consumption choices (if they have a choice ofc)

Would you not buy a screwdriver if you found out somebody on the assembly line was a lesbian?

How are you now putting the manufacturer's stance and some random no name employee in the same basket? That is absolute nonsense.

As long as I liked the screwdriver as a product I really couldn't give a rats ass.

So, a manufacturer that you know of that he beats puppies as a hobby gets your money as long as his screwdrivers are fine?

 

[Moriarty1889]

Expose the woke slop for what it is. People who get upset at that don't have to read the threads. As much as devs like to push woke narratives in games and show their support for certain groups other people also have a right to call them out on it.

 

[Astray]

What needs to happen is really the opposite: All woke/antiwoke topics need a containment thread so good gaming topics get the attention and air they deserve.

This place is slowly becoming old NeoGAF/Resetera but in reverse, and it honestly sucks. Now we get users trying to maintain the circlejerk going via calling for bans in a low-key way.

The script is repeating when you think about it.

 

[Idleyes]

You guys are basically the boy who cried wolf at this point. It's hard to take you seriously when you call every little thing woke.

Not saying you, but I've seen people use "the boy who cried wolf" in ways that seem to forget there was an actual wolf in the story. I empathize with and agree with you on the frequency. It can definitely become disruptive at times. But damn, I enjoy Gonzito's takes way too much to ever give them up.

 

[Three]

How are you now putting the manufacturer's stance and some random no name employee in the same basket? That is absolute nonsense.

Because people use an employee or even contractors personal life against games.

So, a manufacturer that beats puppies as a hobby gets your money as long as his screwdrivers are fine?

You think being a lesbian or donating to places like the American Civil Liberties Union, is like beating puppies? Sure I'd think twice about that manufacturer that beats puppies but what harm is being caused by the lesbian or somebody making donations like that? You can do you though if you find that offputting.

 

[Begleiter]

It would be best to have a megathread for smaller stuff, but there's no way to stop Mixtape-likes generating enough controversy to require their own. I think the phenomenon would die down on its own if modern AAA games didn't take half a decade to produce, so there were more new releases to talk about or big games to look forward to.

 

[laynelane]

Nice straw man right here. Folks are perfectly capable of forming opinions without outrage YouTubers.

When it comes to videos on YT, it's more that people go to those who share their opinions - after all, people who want to ignore the blatant ideology in games won't be convinced by those videos. Much like they won't be convinced by discussion here either. Why would it be any different for others? This whole idea that everyone who notices issues with games must be getting their opinions from Youtubers just comes across as reductionist thinking from people who are uncomfortable or disagree with the topic. It's also another way to demean others (lack of intelligence, lack of agency) for simply having a different opinion.

 

[Danjin44]

 

[Represent.]

Make one giant thread and keep it in there. Stop infesting the forum with the nonsense otherwise. Its gotten to the point where literally

women = woke
non straight hair = woke
anybody non white or Asian = woke
a single non straight character = woke
any woman that doesn't look like prime Megan Fox = woke

its literally this now

and its time to keep all this blatant fuckery in one thread

 

[TintoConCasera]

Yep and if only people applied the same logic to these auxiliary shows and indie games, that would be nice.

I ignore them because I think they are racist shit, but people should still have the freedom of discussing (and criticize them) if they want.

I don't like all the threads that are on the main page of the board but you won't see me complain about them. There's threads for all kinds of stuff, and if you want to chat about something else you could always create a thread for that. I don't know why some people feel so pissed at the "is it woke" threads, just ignore them and move on.

Now, are there way too many threads about it? Maybe, sometimes. But if the AAA industry keeps giving us reasons to wonder, that's not any gaffer's fault.

 

[phant0m]

GrayChild I suggest you find a new hobby instead of looking for every piece of marketing, foundation or group that offends your feefees.

 

[Bojji]

Because people use an employee or even contractors personal life against games.

You think being a lesbian or donating to places like the American Civil Liberties Union, is like beating puppies? Sure I'd think twice about that manufacturer that beats puppies but what harm is being caused by the lesbian or somebody making donations like that? You can do you though if you find that offputting.

LGBT mafia is causing massive harm to children's minds, and those fuckers support experimental hormone therapies and sex change operations on minors. No to mention all the grooming and sexual exploitation.

It's even worse than beating puppies.

 

[Bernardougf]

I ignore them because I think they are racist shit, but people should still have the freedom of discussing (and criticize them) if they want.

I don't like all the threads that are on the main page of the board but you won't see me complain about them. There's threads for all kinds of stuff, and if you want to chat about something else you could always create a thread for that. I don't know why some people feel so pissed at the "is it woke" threads, just ignore them and move on.

Now, are there way too many threads about it? Maybe, sometimes. But if the AAA industry keeps giving us reasons to wonder, that's not any gaffer's fault.

Its because people are attached to brand ... so they dont wanna see their favorite "brand" under this specific spotlight .

And of course theres always the wokes pretending to be normal people just "complaining" about anti woke threads and discussion.

 

[Cumulus]

Because people use an employee or even contractors personal life against games.

Nonsensical generalisation.
There is a big difference between an official choice to work with a certain entity and the private life of some employee. What kind of ridiculous strawman arguments are dug out by some people doesn't matter.

You think being a lesbian or donating to places like the American Civil Liberties Union, is like beating puppies?

No.
Reductio ad absurdum.

Sure I'd think twice about that manufacturer that beats puppies but what harm is being caused by the lesbian or somebody making donations like that?

See, suddenly the behaviour of the manufacturer matters to you after all, regardless of the product, despite you claiming otherwise a few posts back. And that is because the actions in question are higher on your priority list.
And that's what it comes down to, priorities.
The "what harm is done" in this case is a very different discussion that shouldn't be held here

 

[StueyDuck]

Except those threads exist even when they dont include anything in the game. Mina the Hollower being the most recent example. we even got a GTA6 slop thread before it's even out.
They're not going away because this is political movement shit, so they'll see woke in anything and try to make some people angry at the world. Haircuts, woke, Dragon quest being the most recent example of that. Scanned strippers face not to their taste, woke. Wearing a tracker vest? Woke.
This shit is perpetuated to divide people politically. They don't realise they're 'activists' constantly bringing their activist shit to games from another side. Most of it is timewasting, people are too preoccupied fighting these stupid culture wars over the most mundane things like the haircut of some lizard, while in reality they're getting fucked by a world where everything is getting more expensive and worse for more important things.

Woke slop is woke slop.

Those who try brush that stuff under the rug are directly responsible for things like mixtape and dustborn and dragon age veilguard and so on and so forth

Lets just get the activism out of games.

 

[Fake]

I don't like those threads either because is getting bored by, but I suggest to anyone tired of those thread to use the button "IGNORE THREAD" or even "ALSO IGNORE USER".
So you stop seeing those thread.

You've turned a video game forum into a political battleground.

Think about it, papito.

He turned into political?

Was he who started to use pronouns in a video game? Was he who started to use type A/type B in a video game?

Get the fuck out of your fucking bubble dude lmao.

 

[poppabk]

It just gets annoying. All games have something in them that someone could consider woke - seeing as the definition currently extends to games that just 'kinda look' woke.